Seek move to Germany for electronics due to Brexit

[opampsmoker]

Hi,
I am electronics engineer with BEng(I) Hons Electronics  from Birmingham university and have experience of 30 UK based electronics companies over 20 years.

I wish to Move to Germany for good  and become a German citizen if possible......but of course, only if it is considered i can contribute to Germany's success, ..near Essen, Dusseldorf, Bochum , Wuppertal, Duisberg or along the Rhein-hohne canal kind of region.....even down to Bonn, Cologne etc

How do UK citizens re-locate to Germany now?....i look on Gov't website but its so confusing.

Also, do you know any recruiting agencies that help people find work in Germany? I must admit, i also like the sound of Belgium &  Switzerland.

[Mr. Scram]

treez, is that you?

[coppice]

I understand the desire to leave the UK if you want to remain as an electronics engineer for the next 20 years. What puzzles me is why you didn't make the move in 2016, before your options started to shrink? This sounds like the lack of foresight and planning that has made British industry what it is today.

[opampsmoker]

Thanks, yes, i know loads of UK engineers who want to move to Germany or BeNeLux....there must be a recruitment agency that facilitates this..but i cant find it?

[Gerhard_dk4xp]

Reminds me at Mark Knoepflers "Why aye man".

You are late. Your options are growing less. Probably harder in 3 weeks.
Good places for EEs are Bavaria and the Stuttgart area. Avoid Munich
and Stuttgart itself. You pay more rent there than anyone can earn.
That said, we are currently killing/selling our car and electronics industries ourselves.
Try www.gulp.de or solcom.de, or Hays.de.

Gerhard

[CJay]

Stay and face the consequences of your actions Treez, you were one of the people cheerleading for Brexit, now you've realised you were conned you want to run away?

[kaz911]

Hi,
I am electronics engineer with BEng(I) Hons Electronics  from Birmingham university and have experience of 30 UK based electronics companies over 20 years.

I wish to Move to Germany for good  and become a German citizen if possible......but of course, only if it is considered i can contribute to Germany's success, ..near Essen, Dusseldorf, Bochum , Wuppertal, Duisberg or along the Rhein-hohne canal kind of region.....even down to Bonn, Cologne etc

How do UK citizens re-locate to Germany now?....i look on Gov't website but its so confusing.

To be honest your "manifesto" lacks a reality check. Your manifesto screams that you only read headlines and not the stories nor the background. But most people are like that. That is why our society is so divided - bad clickbait headlines dominates every discussion.

It does not matter who owns the companies. Businesses share of total tax revenue is not that different today than it was 10-20-30 or even 40 years ago. Yes it goes up and down but so does personal taxes. What has changed massively is the progressive tax so the 1% tax payers NOW pay substantially more in tax than 10 years ago.

But the UK like many other countries are setting themselves up to fail drastically. But EU is equally stupid as UK. No difference there at all.

The things that makes the wheel turn around and provides for growing societies are things like ease of trade, access to CHEAP energy, access to "reasonable" cost labour and a good education system.  Not being part of EU will damage that - but much further damage is being done by our rising cost of  any kind of energy.

When the governments realise just how much tax revenue they will miss from converting to Electric Cars - you will see electricity taxed by a factor 2 or 3 of todays rates.

I have lived and worked in many countries incl. Germany. It takes a special kind of expat person to work in a German company - it is not quite like "Northern European" (Aka Scandinavia + Netherlands/Benelux + sometimes the UK per definition) - and not like working in the south either. I do speak fluent German and a few other languages as well. That helped a lot. But if you do not speak German - you will really suffer.

So pull up your pants and stop crying. It does not help. UK in or out of the EU - well - there will still be plenty of opportunities for those who keeps their eyes open.

[coppice]

So pull up your pants and stop crying. It does not help. UK in or out of the EU - well - there will still be plenty of opportunities for those who keeps their eyes open.

The only reason there are still opportunities for electronics engineers in the UK is the number of fresh graduates has shrunk so much the few remaining jobs somewhat match the number of people with the relevant skills. The average age of a UK electronics engineer keeps increasing, as so few new people join. The last few UK electronics engineers I have crossed paths with who are doing well are actually self employed, doing design consultancy for American and Asian companies.

[CJay]

So pull up your pants and stop crying. It does not help. UK in or out of the EU - well - there will still be plenty of opportunities for those who keeps their eyes open.

The only reason there are still opportunities for electronics engineers in the UK is the number of fresh graduates has shrunk so much the few remaining jobs somewhat match the number of people with the relevant skills. The average age of a UK electronics engineer keeps increasing, as so few new people join. The last few UK electronics engineers I have crossed paths with who are doing well are actually self employed, doing design consultancy for American and Asian companies.

"30 UK companies over 20 years" is one hell of a turnover rate, it rasies red flags if the applicant hasn't shown good reason, I'll always question it if they get that far in an interview.

[coppice]

"30 UK companies over 20 years" is one hell of a turnover rate, it rasies red flags if the applicant hasn't shown good reason, I'll always question it if they get that far in an interview.

He didn't actually say he was employed by 30 companies. He said he had "experience" of them. Plenty of people in consultancy roles have experience of many companies.

[Ice-Tea]

treez, is that you?

He thanked you. So...

[CJay]

"30 UK companies over 20 years" is one hell of a turnover rate, it rasies red flags if the applicant hasn't shown good reason, I'll always question it if they get that far in an interview.

He didn't actually say he was employed by 30 companies. He said he had "experience" of them. Plenty of people in consultancy roles have experience of many companies.

And I didn't say he had been an employee at 30 companies either.

I would just want to know why he'd got experience of so many, if he's been a consultant at those companies then he should be able to explain that, hopefully show me what he'd been involved with along with some supporting evidence and explain what he expected from the role I'm offering and why he's decided to go for a permanent role.

If I'm interviewing for a consultant on a short term contract then I want the best I can damned well afford (actually I want better than I can afford but...) and I want them to be able to prove that too.

Pretty simple isn't it?

Or am I supposed to just employ him because he says he wants a job?

[coppice]

"30 UK companies over 20 years" is one hell of a turnover rate, it rasies red flags if the applicant hasn't shown good reason, I'll always question it if they get that far in an interview.

He didn't actually say he was employed by 30 companies. He said he had "experience" of them. Plenty of people in consultancy roles have experience of many companies.

And I didn't say he had been an employee at 30 companies either.

You are the one who appeared to jump to a conclusion. I regard "experience of 30 companies" as entirely neutral until I see more details.

[Bud]

In the early 1950s, the UK was an industrial giant. Today, it is an industrial pygmy. In 1952,  UK owned companies made  a quarter of  the world’s  manufacturing exports. Today (2018), the UK makes up less than 2 per cent of the world’s manufacturing exports, and even that percentage is mostly made up from foreign owned companies operating within the UK.

So, I take it as the demise of the UK was due to the 47 years being a member of EU. Now, after they got themselves out of that shit they will start a recover.

[coppice]

In the early 1950s, the UK was an industrial giant. Today, it is an industrial pygmy. In 1952,  UK owned companies made  a quarter of  the world’s  manufacturing exports. Today (2018), the UK makes up less than 2 per cent of the world’s manufacturing exports, and even that percentage is mostly made up from foreign owned companies operating within the UK.

So, I take it as the demise of the UK was due to the 47 years being a member of EU. Now, after they got themselves out of that shit they will start a recover.

In the 1950s, when the EEC was formed, the original members, especially France, didn't want the UK to join. They saw it as so economically powerful it would dominate the new body. Britain tried to join a few times in the 1960s, and was rebuffed. Finally the members of the EEC realised the UK was doing so badly, it would definitely not dominate. Then they let us join. Now the French must be looking at Germany and thinking they were ones they should have kept out to avoid a single country dominating. 

[Kjelt]

You don’t want a recruiting company, it shows no drive, no ambition.
Its the 21st century, create an appealing cv max 2 pages, should look WOW! Not boring text.
Go online to the companies YOU are interested in and YOU want to work , search for vacancies that YOU want to fullfill and react directly.
If the company wants to try you for a year they will use an intermediate company if needed.

BTW I would go to a country where everyone understands and talks english for the last 70+ years,, so Belgium or Netherlands would be easier than Germany or France but it is YOUR life and choice. Success!

[eliocor]

Based on the thanks given, he SURELY is treez!!!

[Cerebus]

treez, is that you?

After reading that lot you're still in some doubt?

I've actually answered a couple of his questions under this new moniker and it hadn't dawned on me that it was treez in a new guise. The impression I'd formed from the questions asked was that I was replying to someone who was newish to electronics and, moreover, an amateur, certainly not someone with a B. Eng in electronics.

For the avoidance of doubt, I'm not knocking Treez, we all know he marches to a somewhat different drum, but given the type of rather basic questions he regularly comes up with it's a shock to discover that someone felt he was adequately schooled to award him an engineering honours degree.

[Cerebus]

BTW I would go to a country where everyone understands and talks english for the last 70+ years,, so Belgium or Netherlands would be easier than Germany or France but it is YOUR life and choice. Success!

I've worked in Germany several times in the last 20 odd years, and everybody I've worked with has had good enough English that I've never had a problem. The only people who couldn't handle English at work were some of the canteen staff, and that's the kind of German one ought to be fluent in by the time one has been in the country 4 weeks. Outside you'll encounter some non-English speakers, but a surprising proportion of the population has enough basic English for one to get by until everyday German has sunk into one's skull. My experience has been that Germans are very patient with you, and very pleased to see it, when you make the effort to try and speak German. The only time I've come to a linguistic impasse in Germany was with an Italian waiter whose German and English were almost non-existent, like my Italian - I still got the meal I wanted though.

[SilverSolder]

In the early 1950s, the UK was an industrial giant. Today, it is an industrial pygmy. In 1952,  UK owned companies made  a quarter of  the world’s  manufacturing exports. Today (2018), the UK makes up less than 2 per cent of the world’s manufacturing exports, and even that percentage is mostly made up from foreign owned companies operating within the UK.

So, I take it as the demise of the UK was due to the 47 years being a member of EU. Now, after they got themselves out of that shit they will start a recover.

You mean like Quebec would be better off outside Canada?

[Kjelt]

My experience has been that Germans are very patient with you, and very pleased to see it, when you make the effort to try and speak German.

Yes but that is just it, they expect you to speak their language, it is even worse in France.
Not that I mind I speak 4 languages fluently.
The Dutch and Belgians don't expect that, they know you are not going to speak their language they accept you for who you are.
The new generation in Germany anf France too by the way, they are adapted to global interaction, it are the older generations that often show this misplaced form of chauvinistic behaviour. I often encountered this in France in the 80s and 90s where foreigners where not helped because they did not spoke french. In the 70s noone in France spoke english it was not even taught in school, perhaps as class of choice for some. It is getting much better nowadays and on the workfloor it is probably non existent unless you come in a workgroup with only native speaking people than you probably will miss the jokes etc.

[CJay]

"30 UK companies over 20 years" is one hell of a turnover rate, it rasies red flags if the applicant hasn't shown good reason, I'll always question it if they get that far in an interview.

He didn't actually say he was employed by 30 companies. He said he had "experience" of them. Plenty of people in consultancy roles have experience of many companies.

And I didn't say he had been an employee at 30 companies either.

You are the one who appeared to jump to a conclusion. I regard "experience of 30 companies" as entirely neutral until I see more details.

No, what I said was that I expect a CV to have details about prior roles and career, hence why I said:

"if the applicant hasn't shown good reason,".
Surely it's not unreasonable to expect a CV to be complete and not full of gaping holes?

[S. Petrukhin]

Guys, come to Russia!
We have good specialists who earn good money. We have a lot of smart guys, but historically foreign specialists are welcome.

Imagine: in my small town, there is a basketball team that last year played the Olympic champion from the United States Angel McCoughtry and the team is constantly 2-3 basketball players from professional basketball in the United States. Engineers, of course, are paid much less. 

Our economy is not inflated, most of it is material. In our country, the government does not have the only feature of fighting an external enemy or inventing some threats. And we have a self-sufficient country. Not paradise, of course, but there is stability and reliability.

I am even more reliable life in Belarus. 

By the way, in Russia it is not necessary to lose the citizenship of your country. If you do not have Russian citizenship, you will not be able to vote in elections and the employer will pay additional tax. Otherwise, no influence from foreign citizenship.

[SilverSolder]

Guys, come to Russia!
We have good specialists who earn good money. We have a lot of smart guys, but historically foreign specialists are welcome.

Imagine: in my small town, there is a basketball team that last year played the Olympic champion from the United States Angel McCoughtry and the team is constantly 2-3 basketball players from professional basketball in the United States. Engineers, of course, are paid much less. 

Our economy is not inflated, most of it is material. In our country, the government does not have the only feature of fighting an external enemy or inventing some threats. And we have a self-sufficient country. Not paradise, of course, but there is stability and reliability.

I am even more reliable life in Belarus. 

By the way, in Russia it is not necessary to lose the citizenship of your country. If you do not have Russian citizenship, you will not be able to vote in elections and the employer will pay additional tax. Otherwise, no influence from foreign citizenship.

I have had the pleasure of visiting Russia...  and if I were young again, I would have no problem with job stint in Russia.  I have never met so many beautiful women in once place, for one thing!

Quite a few people spoke good English, but most are Russian-only;  be prepared to learn some Russian phrases to get by.  -  I didn't think Russian was super difficult to learn, it is wonderfully compact/terse!

[TomS_]

How do UK citizens re-locate to Germany now?....i look on Gov't website but its so confusing.

Find an immigration consultant, pay them a wad of cash, let them deal with the intricacies while you just fill out the forms they send you.