flir one or TG167 ? or C2 ?

[Simon]

I'm considering a thermal imaging device to help with design and development of power devices. But I'm trn between the flir one for androind and hoping it works on my phone and the TG167.

Price wise not a lot between them, the flir one seems to have more features like the image blending but has lower specs and the TG137 seems specifically designed for analyzing small devices. Has anyone been there and done it ?

[Chanc3]

For a start, the TG167 is only 80x60 as it uses the second gen Lepton core. You'll also have less features and won't be able to use third party applications that could be useful to you.

The TG167's purpose is essentially for those who will chuck it in a toolbox and only use it for quickly checking plumbing, fuses, heating systems etc. There isn't any faffing about with having to connect it to your phone, run the app etc...

[Simon]

well All the functionality i need is that I know the temperature of a point, An infrared thermometer is pointless as I don't know what I am pointing at but even at 80x60 pixels I can makeout what is in the middle of the screen and know I have the temperature of a chip versus a PCB trace. I'm also after spending less than £300.

[bookaboo]

When factoring your decision done worry about image processing or MSX. You dont want pretty pictures you want accurate images. Id be looking to make sure that whatever you choose has a manual temp range option, by removing the extremities you can get far better thermal palette resolution. Also see if you can make one of those macro lenses from the ebay germanium C02 types, incredibly good for close up work.

[Simon]

I don't need images, I have no one to impress with them. I just need to be able to measure temperatures of chips and pins etc. The TG165 is the same product but meant for large areas the TG167 seems to be geared more for inspection of small parts but I am wondering if anyone here has used one and can give me feedback before i spend £260 ish

[joe-c]

i advise the FLIR One.

you may don't need the images yet, but measuring chips may be hard with the TG 16x, and measuring pins can you forget.

the main problem is, the FLIR TG 16x measures only with the pyrometer sensor. The Thermal image is only for view.

see the sample Images on my Site, and look deeper at the right side of the Images:
http://joe-c.de/pages/posts/pyrometer_flir_tg_165_183.php

[Simon]

How close can you get with a flir one ? the TG167 I think will focus twice as close and have half the field of view of the TG165. Your images are with the TG165 aren't they ? I only need an image to tell me that I'm pointing at the right thing. It's the temperature of the middle I'll be after.

[joe-c]

Right, the images are from the TG165 and the TG167 has a smaller FOV.

But a Flir One measures directly with the Pixels of the thermal image, i think the TG167 is more accurate, but has not a small spot.
The TG Series are just a pyrometer with a thermal screen, and they measure just like a pyrometer.

And maybe later some developer makes a flir one app with automatic tracking the hottest spot. Then you can better see the Temperature of a Chip.

[Simon]

what is a pyrometer ? what do you mean by thermal screen ? something must be picking up the temperatures to get some sort of image. again I am not actually after images just the ability to accuratly measure or rather know what I am pointing at.

[joe-c]

what is a pyrometer ?

See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrometer

what do you mean by thermal screen ?

see here below "USE THOUSANDS OF SPOT PYROMETERS AT THE SAME TIME":
http://www.flir.com/science/blog/details/?ID=71984

and see here:
http://www.flir.com/uploadedImages/CS_EMEA/Fundamantals/IRvsTH_3.png

i hope it helps.

[Simon]

Any thoughts on the C2 ?

[joe-c]

The C2 is a nice device, but not for that Price 

well, it has a Lepton2 inside (80x60) and the Flir One Gen 2 has 160x120 for less money.
But the C2 is really not bad, it has a touchscreen control and a good LED Flashlight. If you get it used for a tiny price... why not.
for me, i don't buy a C2 over 300 euro.

You can enable some extra functions with some changes in the config, here the results:
http://joe-c.de/pages/posts/waermebildkamera_flir_c2_174.php

[Simon]

my concern with the flir one is that it won't work with my phone (that is broken right now already) and can i put the camera on either way around ? I'd be inclined to try and hack an E4

[hikanio]

The modded E4 ist surely the best option for the money.

I went for the E30 that is sometimes available for slightly more money than the E4 and modded it to E60.
The picture quality is  better than the modded E4 due to the much better optics and the overall quality is even better.

Cheers
Hikanio

[charlyd]

Hi Lots of info but what is the best one to buy at this moment for diagnosing electronic boards and so..

- flir-one-gen-3
- flir TG167
- QIANLI SuperCam Thermal Imager ( much more expensive )

so best choice for sometimes use...is...

 

[Simon]

Erm, this is a 3 and a half year old thread..... in the end I bought a Flir E5 for the price of the E4 on offer and then had it hacked.

[alex871]

Flir one is undoubtedly the best of the 3 thermal cameras. 160x120 radiometric pixels! you have the possibility with the flir tool app to modify images in a radiometric way, color scale and all the functions that have professional thermal cameras. The resolution is important if you have to measure small points, with the 167 and 165 tg you do nothing but also the c2 in my opinion is not good

[Simon]

Well I now have an E8 with 320x240 pixels and the laser cutter lens to alter the focus works a treat. So now I can show you the size of the die in any IC.......

[Simon]

Yes that's right. Bearing in mind that this was all over 3 years ago! The thread has been unearthed for some unknown reason so any advice is irrelevant and the arguments made and things done relate to over 3 years ago.