New Flir products

[kahe40]

Is this an (working) adapter, to connect a Flir One (Gen 2 Android) with a PC?
USB 2.0 Male to Micro-B Female Adapter

give it a try, but I dont think so,
maybe you need to solder pin4+5 to make it OTG ?

http://m.tech.firstpost.com/news-analysis/how-to-make-your-own-usb-otg-cable-for-an-android-smartphone-29503.html

[tomas123]

> USB 2.0 Male to Micro-B Female Adapter

I'm not sure, if this really connect USB-wise (OTG with PC?).

The Flir One SDK contain drivers (compiled binaries) für Android on ARM7 CPU.
I see some nice possibilities with Raspberry Pi Gen 2 (with Android Lollipop)

[Fraser]

OTG is just a capability that enables a phone to act as a Host rather than an accessory. It becomes a computer rather than a memory module, or similar. As such OTG is not in play when connecting the FLIR ONE G2 to a standard PC as that is already in Host mode via its USB ports. The FLIRONE just wants a host, it cares not what that host is. The OTG connector supplies normal Supply, D+, D-, 0v pins. The fifth pin is used by the phone only to set it to Host mode. In the OTG spec the pin is actually the ID terminal on pin 4 of the connector.

I see no issue with adapting the 5 pin micro USB connector to a standard full size A or B connector for linking to aC. The FLIR ONE is a standard USB device.

If appropriate drivers are install, it should be visible and accessible from a PC. Then the fun begins, writing an application to process the cameras data. I do not have the SDK so do not know how much image processing occurs in the camera and how much is needed in the host.

If the FLIR ONE can be used with a PC, it will really open up some interesting possibilities. I was hoping that FLIR would produce a thermal web cam to join its range of visible light security webcams, but that has not happened yet.

Aurora.

[McBryce]

Didn't want to start a new thread for this, so this is probably the best place to ask this question:

I'm looking for a low cost Thermal Imager. I want to avoid mobile phone attachment versions, as I change my phone more often than my wife changes her mind. What would you guys recommend? (Flir or not?)

McBryce.

[Fraser]

FLIR E4 is, IMHO, the best value for money thermal imager on the market at this time. At 80x60 resolution it is not wonderful but the MSX helps by providing context to an image. If you carry out the relatively simple upgrade/hack to the full 320x240 resolution of which it is capable it is IMHO unbeatable value for money.

I collect thermal cameras, some costing as much as $56000 when new in 2001. Their replacement models cost a similar sum today. I now own 40 thermal cameras of various ages and capabilities. Many are far higher spec than the Ex series. Yet I tend to reach for the little E4 when I want to do a quick image of a PCB or scene. It is a very well designed little camera with good ergonomics and, when hacked, excellent capabilities. I cannot recommend it highly enough. A real Gem.

Aurora

[mikeselectricstuff]

Cheapest standalone I know of is this - no idea how good it is :
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/IR-INFRARED-THERMAL-IMAGER-VISIBLE-LIGHT-CAMERA-3600-PIXELS-20-300-C-6Hz-/171785207662?hash=item27ff323f6e

Or get a FLir One and a dedicted cheap android phone, and forget it's a phone.

[mikeselectricstuff]

But best value for money is still a hacked E4

[motocoder]

FLIR E4 is, IMHO, the best value for money thermal imager on the market at this time. At 80x60 resolution it is not wonderful but the MSX helps by providing context to an image. If you carry out the relatively simple upgrade/hack to the full 320x240 resolution of which it is capable it is IMHO unbeatable value for money.

I collect thermal cameras, some costing as much as $56000 when new in 2001. Their replacement models cost a similar sum today. I now own 40 thermal cameras of various ages and capabilities. Many are far higher spec than the Ex series. Yet I tend to reach for the little E4 when I want to do a quick image of a PCB or scene. It is a very well designed little camera with good ergonomics and, when hacked, excellent capabilities. I cannot recommend it highly enough. A real Gem.

Aurora

But doesn't that hack require obtaining a version of the camera that is hackable? In other words, if he just goes out and buys one off Amazon.com, is this going to be hackable, or does he have to try and find an older revision that allows the hack?

[Fraser]

All known versions of the Ex series can still be hacked. There is the tear down thread on this forum that details such.

Aurora

[the1snm]

I assume by a wide minimum span of the Seek your referring to the temperature differential pixel to pixel? In other words the ability to detect a sense a 76 degree item in a 75 degree room? I thought I remember reading that the Seek has a 1 degree "Sensitivity" I was calling it and the FlirOne has a .1 degree sensitivity. I don't know all the lingo so if we're talking about the same thing I've learned something new with span. Is the span of the seek controlled via software or is it something hardware limited?

As you know, a thermal imager normally maps the colour at the top of the LUT (eg. White) to the hottest object in the scene, while mapping the colour at the bottom (eg. Black) to the coldest object. However, as the difference between the hottest and coldest decreases, more image noise is visible (as you're stretching a smaller signal difference to fit a large colour span).

The seek has a wide minimal span. This means that the colour mapping will react as you expect down to a certain point (eg. 5 degrees difference). After that, the hottest is no longer mapped to white - it's mapped to slightly brighter grey and cold is mapped to slightly darker grey. This is to hide noise.

We can manually use photoshop to change the span of your dog photo to make sure the full pallet of black -> white is used, thereby simulating what would happen without a minimal span/a narrower minimal span.

Holy noise - You can clearly see why seek have set a minimal span limit.

So yeah, it's technically a software limit, however the software limit exists because the hardware cannot generate good images at low temperature spans.

Most excellent answer thank you and the image help clarify things too. So it looks like I'm gonna be stuck using the Seek XR for now unless they come out with something new real soon.


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[McBryce]

Thanks for all the tips. I've no problem hacking things. My DP832 and MSO1104Z-S have both been liberated, so a Flir shouldn't be an issue.

@Aurora: That's an exensive hobby you've chosen there! Unfortunately I'm a bit spoiled. At work we use devices at that price level, so my expectations are a bit too high. But I'd really like to have this option at home, but not spend a fortune on it.

McBryce.

[encryptededdy]

Gave up waiting for the FLIR One Android and ordered a Therm-App... 384x288 here I come 

Hard decision between it and the E4, but the ~40% higher res (384x288 (~100k) as opposed to 320x240(~72k)) and "native" interchangeable lens, manual focus and video recording support sold it for me. Also the large lens on the Therm-App just looks a bit more... substantial than the small chalcogenide one on the E4 

Let me know if you want me to start a new thread and post a review / thoughts on the Therm-App once I get it.

Also one more interesting thing of note - even though the Therm-App is manufactured by Opgal, who themselves make various 384 and 640 microbolometers with both 17u 25u pixel pitches, the Therm-App actually uses a Pico384P from ULIS (Sofadir subsidiary) in a "traditional" ceramic package (as opposed to the wafer packaging used on the E4/Seek/Lepton).

[marshallh]

Thank you for your order from FLIR Systems, Inc.. Fulfillment by Amazon has shipped the following items. This completes your order.
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 1      FLIR ONE Thermal Imaging Equipment for Android Devices
        SKU:435-0003-03-00-A

[encryptededdy]

Of course it ships <24 hours after I cancel my preorder.

[encryptededdy]

FLIR One Android is now on sale at Amazon for $211.61 USD.

http://www.amazon.com/FLIR-Thermal-Imaging-Equipment-Android/dp/B00W5PRY52

@marshallh and anyone who ordered from Amazon - you may want to try contacting them. Their customer support is great and they just may refund you the difference.

[in.Vitro]

In Germany you can preorder it in Amazon for 279€

[Gabri74]

In Germany you can preorder it in Amazon for 279€

Can you please post the link to the Amazon page? I'm only able to find the iPhone version on Amazon.de 

Thanks!

[Fraser]

Just typical....the USA gets a discounted price but the UK (Europe?) does not.

Boo Hissss FLIR 👿

Aurora

[frenky]

In Germany you can preorder it in Amazon for 279€

Can you please post the link to the Amazon page? I'm only able to find the iPhone version on Amazon.de 

Thanks!

I can't find it on amazon.de, but it's on amazon.co.uk http://goo.gl/4ze7Db for 199pounds or 273€ + shipping.

I will rather wait for i3-ThemalExpert with 384 x 288 resolution and sell my SeekThemal to soften a hit to my wallet. 

[in.Vitro]

Its just the iOS Model :/

FLIR ONE Wärmebildkamera für iOS-Geräte https://www.amazon.de/dp/B0123QLZJ8/ref=cm_sw_r_awd_dZh6vbXRH1DRE

[tomas123]

see here for Android version
http://www.amazon.de/FLIR-ONE-Wärmebildkamera-für-Android-Geräte/dp/B01478QCHU

[cynfab]

Just got a ship notice from FLIR for my Flir One Android. Should be here on 9/8.
And UPS has it in their system!!

   ...ken...

[Red Squirrel]

I've been reading this thread, and have a sudden urge to buy a thermal imager seeing as how the prices in general are actually starting to become within reach. Whether it's the Flir One or other product, or even a dedicated one.  In the ~$300 range is the Flir One still the way to go?  I can't seem to find the Android version anywhere in Canada, not even through ebay. It's all iphone ones.  Also how phone specific is it?  I have a Nexus 4.

[encryptededdy]

I've been reading this thread, and have a sudden urge to buy a thermal imager seeing as how the prices in general are actually starting to become within reach. Whether it's the Flir One or other product, or even a dedicated one.  In the ~$300 range is the Flir One still the way to go?  I can't seem to find the Android version anywhere in Canada, not even through ebay. It's all iphone ones.  Also how phone specific is it?  I have a Nexus 4.

If you have a Nexus 4, then the FLIR One might be your only option - the Nexus 4 has limited OTG support, as it doesn't supply power. Therefore, the Seek/Therm-App, which both draw power from your phone, won't work. Only the FLIR One has a built in battery and therefore will hopefully work.

However please note that the USB connector on the Nexus 4 faces the wrong way - you'll only be able to take thermal selfies unless you get a MicroUSB OTG extension cable.

[Red Squirrel]

I've been reading this thread, and have a sudden urge to buy a thermal imager seeing as how the prices in general are actually starting to become within reach. Whether it's the Flir One or other product, or even a dedicated one.  In the ~$300 range is the Flir One still the way to go?  I can't seem to find the Android version anywhere in Canada, not even through ebay. It's all iphone ones.  Also how phone specific is it?  I have a Nexus 4.

If you have a Nexus 4, then the FLIR One might be your only option - the Nexus 4 has limited OTG support, as it doesn't supply power. Therefore, the Seek/Therm-App, which both draw power from your phone, won't work. Only the FLIR One has a built in battery and therefore will hopefully work.

However please note that the USB connector on the Nexus 4 faces the wrong way - you'll only be able to take thermal selfies unless you get a MicroUSB OTG extension cable.

That's good to know.  I'll have to try to find a source in Canada, think I'm going to go for it.  I'll have to find that microusb cable though, is that something common?  I would not really want it to be super long.