FLIR SC6000 Info

[Fraser]

I just saw the price of a 200mm lens on that price list ….. over £25.5K inc VAT ! I wonder what my DIOP 75/250 dual FOV motorised lens would cost these days. She is a beauty and compatible with my SC4000. My wife does not see the beauty in such a lens… she just sees a large wooden box sat in our spare room taking up space 

Fraser

[MrSheep]

Nice definitely a steal haha. Yeah I will keep this thread updated too. Anything 3d printing related ill post the files.

And haha yeah those prices are insane but understandable. I guess as it gets more complicated with the lens elements the price follows:
I think this was for the older X8000sc's: https://www.flir.com/products/t199057_lens-bb/?vertical=rd+science&segment=solutions

So im guessing your lens prob could break the 6 figure mark. Reminds me of the RS series (50mm – 250mm) which is $250k:
https://www.flir.com/news-center/press-releases/teledyne-flir-introduces-rs6780-long-range-radiometric-infrared-camera/

Also as I get setup I'll post more about the camera. I'm leaning more towards the other side in terms of lenses. Gonna do a lot of circuit microscopy.
I knew MWIR was good for sensitivity which is needed when doing PCB work, but boy was I surprised when I saw the images you can achieve with a Cooled InSb camera.
It is literally night a day even when comparing to a T1020.

[MrSheep]

Hey @Fraser do you happen to have the SDK for your camera.

[Fraser]

No sadly I do not have an SDK for my Camera. I suspect the SDK was a chargeable option for the camera.

Fraser

[MrSheep]

Ah ok. Yeah I tried asking for it a while back. And they said it was not available anymore. It's a shame because it is just software. It's not like a physical item they no longer manufacture.

[Fraser]

I have experienced the same with FLIR. On the one hand they helpfully provide a lot of documentation and software downloads via their support site, yet on the other hand, Customer support will often say that a product is obsolete and support has been withdrawn. They then say that the documentation or software that you are after is no longer held by them. I have a feeling that the documentation and software does exist within the FLIR company but is not on the Customer Support server, so they cannot provide it. With my SC4000 I was told that because it was obsolete FLIR USA could not provide the USB Driver or BIG GUI software. They further stated that they did not have access to a SC4000/6000 at FLIR USA. Technical support reported that none of their staff had worked with the SC4000/6000 so they could not offer any support to me. Thankfully a very helpful person at FLIR USA forwarded my emails to their dedicated scientific camera department located in Paris, France. A very friendly and helpful chief science officer at that department knew my camera model and explained that much of the software and documentation was no longer on FLIR support servers. It was effectively ‘lost’. He kindly searched for the software on some off-line servers and data repositories and came up with all that I needed. This chap went above and beyond his duties to assist me and he even provided his direct email address in case I needed help with the camera.

On another occasion I had a licence for a specific version of FLIR Researcher,  but not the software disk. I asked FLIR USA for the software and was told it was obsolete and no copy was kept on their support servers. The helpful support officer had no way to obtain the software for me. I wrote to my friend who is a VP at FLIR and asked for his help. He asked the engineering team to look for the software in cupboards and on their internal servers. They found it for me  It was a case of searching servers for a ‘hidden’ copy of the software that cannot be seen or accessed by the customer support team.

Fraser

[MrSheep]

Wow that is pretty interesting. Guess it is good to save docs/software because you know when they will "delete" the obsolete ones.

What version of Researcher do you have. I think version 2.10 was the only one floating out there as of now

[Fraser]

I have included a list of the software that I own in my Thermal Imaging collection thread 

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/thermal-imaging/frasers-thermal-camera-collection-the-definitive-list-regularly-updated/

Fraser

[IR_Geek]

One thing I did wonder was how an F/4 lens would work on a F/2.5 camera (mine). Looking at the images I am getting it is working, I think?
Not sure how the whole F stop thing affects everything

If memory serves (and depends on lens) you might see a slight 'zooming' effect when you focus.   Been a while so it might be the other way around that the 'zooming' occurs ... higher/slower F/# core using lower/faster F/# lens.     

The lens sets the F/# of the total system so as long as you NUC / calibrate and it doesn't do something weird then you should be good.    There are usually some DIOP or Janos F/2.3 lenses that pop up every now and then.

Good score for a camera system!

[IR_Geek]

... my DIOP 75/250 dual FOV motorised lens would cost these days.
Fraser

Ah, those DIOP DFOV systems are work horses.   Even better when you got the option with filter wheel.

[MrSheep]

One thing I did wonder was how an F/4 lens would work on a F/2.5 camera (mine). Looking at the images I am getting it is working, I think?
Not sure how the whole F stop thing affects everything

If memory serves (and depends on lens) you might see a slight 'zooming' effect when you focus.   Been a while so it might be the other way around that the 'zooming' occurs ... higher/slower F/# core using lower/faster F/# lens.     

The lens sets the F/# of the total system so as long as you NUC / calibrate and it doesn't do something weird then you should be good.    There are usually some DIOP or Janos F/2.3 lenses that pop up every now and then.

Good score for a camera system!

Ah ok that is good to know. Yeah I don't think anything weird is going on. If you see post #19 that is the image I get. So it seems to be working fine. I am able to get a clear image of a Arduino board. https://www.eevblog.com/forum/thermal-imaging/flir-sc6000-info/msg5008270/#msg5008270

[Wildseyed]

Researcher 2.10 PRO was the last version released.

[MrSheep]

@Fraser Do you happen to have images taken with the 75-200mm DIOP lens? Interested to see how they look on your SC4000.

[Fraser]

No sadly I have not played with that lens on my SC4000. Other commitments got in the way and I still need to test the two together.

[Fraser]

I will see if I can assemble the DIOP lens and SC4000 in the coming week to capture some images. The challenge is in supporting the large lens so that it does not strain the cameras lens mount. The week ahead looks pretty busy for me so no promises and I have a THV550 to service and that will take priority.

Fraser

[MrSheep]

Yeah that is understandable, no rush. Just wondering if you had existing images haha. And what seems to be the issue with the THV550?

[Fraser]

Thread on the AGEMA THV550 is to be found here .......

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/thermal-imaging/agema(flir)-thermovision-550-mwir-cooled-camera-teardown-and-repair-by-fraser/

[MrSheep]

Just a quick update since it has been a while since I posted. I was able to model an adapter for the 4 tab HDC lens. In the process of printing it and making sure It has the right clearances. I think in the end a 3D printed part will work ok with a strong material like PA12-CF but I think I want to CNC it. So I am modeling it in a way that makes it so that you have to assemble the adapter via a bunch of socket hex bolts. It is prob the only way I can do it since there are some areas that I cant mill with my current CNC machine.

[MrSheep]

Also here is a cool snippet of the SC Series being designed and assembled. Wished the camera had more air time haha. Good to know that the top shell slides off and it looks like the Linear Stirling cooler sits on the bottom of the camera.

[MrSheep]

Was able to make a mount for my camera. Better than spending $5000 on one from FLIR. Will post more about it later.

[boywai]

I have also collected it, but it cannot be used due to malfunctions

[boywai]

I have a DRS 1024x768, but it seems to be unusable because the temperature of the refrigeration unit cannot reach 80k, so its motherboard will not start. I don't know how to repair it, and the movement is network output. I don't have his upper computer

[boywai]

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