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Offline tomas123

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #6025 on: December 08, 2014, 11:55:43 am »
Has anybody troubles with unmapped bad pixels? (no dust)

in the another Flir thread I posted some nice screenshots from service menu of E40 ( it's the same menu like E4 until FW 1.19)

wow,
I found a menu, where you can replace single dead pixels!
the page only work with internet explorer ( no firefox or chrome)

Select a method  :-\


show all bad pixels (currently mapped)


kill a single bad pixel

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #6026 on: December 08, 2014, 12:17:22 pm »
@Tomas123,

Thank you again  :-+

As I commented in the E40 thread, this is a great option for users with dead pixels issues, now or in the future. Microbolometer pixels can fail over time, as proven by my Testo 880-1 having three dead pixels at the moment. Not surprisingly Testo refused to comment on how to delete those pixels as they would have had to provide service menu detail.

NEC AVIO thermal cameras bury the dead pixel correction map within the calibration procedure, making it hard to use unless you have the required blackbody sources to complete the required calibration sequence. From talking to an engineer it is a tiresome process on an AVIO camera.

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #6027 on: December 08, 2014, 01:54:05 pm »
Has anybody troubles with unmapped bad pixels? (no dust)
Those bad pixels on Flir cameras always has low values (looks black) or there are also high value unresponsive one?

Nice to know how Flir deals with bad pixel management in their software  :-+

On Seek Thermal device just implemented in my open source version of my Seek software automatic mode for dead pixels detection, where many calibration frames are collected during normal camera operation (at least 8 ) and differences computed between each of those calibration frames (28) then map of not changing pixels created and it can be saved on device with storage capability or in automatic mode repeated after each Seek device restart.
For long running thermal cameras those dead pixels can be detected on the fly, so it is transparent to end user and he can check only from time to time how many dead pixels his units has  8)

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #6028 on: December 09, 2014, 09:57:31 am »
Thanks for pointing out the menu to correct bad pixels - I've just used it to correct two on a new second hand camera we have just picked up (T6xx series). Pretty much everything in this thread is applicable to the T6xx series and even the T/B4xx series!

Just need to have a look at some configs from the higher models and see if I can apply them to the lower ones...
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #6029 on: December 09, 2014, 03:51:15 pm »
@tomas123,
there is no service menu web files in last E4, if you for completness could point to the package with the files that would be great. I copied them on mine but i did not save the link.
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #6030 on: December 09, 2014, 04:09:02 pm »
good luck...

... but I don't think, that all the old "restree.setResourceValue" commands from web GUI works on the current firmware

sample  restree.setResourceValue( "prod.preparation.command",  "restartHighRes" );
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#start HighRes Modus
>rset prod.preparation.command restartHighRes

as attachment the relevant files from firmware flir_ex_pn639_v1.18.7_update_pack
(size limit is 1MB, rename to zip)

ah I see, that the current fw of E40 Late 2013 v4.9.0 has no service menu   :(
...
you can simple read the html files of the old FW and make the same steps on the shell (setResourceValue = rset)

sample:
search for activating the service mode in Web GUI (file name HighRes.asp = full resolution  8) ):
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$ cd flir_exx_pn490_v2.23.14_update_pack/E2comb_v2.23.14.fif/FlashFS/system/web
$ grep -i -r highres *
service/Diag/HighRes.asp:      restree.setResourceValue( "prod.preparation.command",  "restartHighRes" );
service/inc/servicemenu.inc: menuRow("Activate Service Mode", "/service/Diag/HighRes.asp", "submenu1", selectedMenu == "mnuDiagResolution");
service/index.asp:                    <FORM ACTION=diag\HighRes.asp METHOD="POST">

we get
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restree.setResourceValue( "prod.preparation.command",  "restartHighRes" );and this is the same command on the shell
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#start HighRes Modus
>rset prod.preparation.command restartHighRes

for inspirations:
as attachment all resource values set by service menu
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>grep -r -i "restree.setResourceValue" * > setResourceValue.txt
there are nice commands like
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web/service/ImgCorr/PixKill.asp: restree.setResourceValue( "ui.userSettings.overlayLogo", false );is equal to
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rset .ui.userSettings.overlayLogo false
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #6031 on: December 10, 2014, 02:26:45 pm »
Hey guys,

I have an E4 2.3 modified and only now I noticed that I cannot open the Flir tools. It starts and after a while closed down on its own (apparently it cannot find the camera).

In the device manager under the imaging devices strangelly enough only the FLIR USB Video is shown and nothing else.

http://img.techpowerup.org/141210/Capture477.jpg

Also in the hidden menu the USB is set to UVC and MSD. Tried to change it to something else but I can't. Once I push the center menu button it returns me to the previous menu without changing anything.

Any ideas??
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #6032 on: December 10, 2014, 03:29:49 pm »
Code: [Select]
rset .ui.userSettings.overlayLogo false

Just used this command to disable the FLIR logo on all of our cameras :D Thanks!
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #6033 on: December 10, 2014, 03:37:57 pm »
...and someone asked about full clear screen:

rset .ui.userSettings.hideGraphics true - false
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #6034 on: December 10, 2014, 03:46:31 pm »
Logo/ graphics - is it a permanent change?
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #6035 on: December 10, 2014, 03:56:31 pm »
this way ... no
in 2.3.0 I save that hideGraphics true line for example in preset_nomeasure.rsc
and false to preset_centerspot.rsc
and that logo I removed with hexEdit from facet.rcc (replaced with transparent)
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #6036 on: December 10, 2014, 03:59:23 pm »
this way ... no
in 2.3.0 I save that hideGraphics line for example in preset_nomeasure.rsc

It's permanent on my T620! I just telnet into it and send the command - BAM! After numerous reboots, hard resets etc the logo is still gone :) Will try on our other cameras when I can.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #6037 on: December 10, 2014, 04:11:41 pm »
E4 2.3.0 is not very simple and not very biddable ...

edit: but but ... just found that temp scale manual entry mode using
rset .ui.userSettings.scaleInteractive true
when in menu is selected "Lock"
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #6038 on: December 10, 2014, 04:57:38 pm »
I have an E4 2.3 modified and only now I noticed that I cannot open the Flir tools. It starts and after a while closed down on its own (apparently it cannot find the camera).

May be try to reinstall Flir Tools? When it cannot find my camera it does not close, it still runs but only shows the images that were imported before.
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Also in the hidden menu the USB is set to UVC and MSD. Tried to change it to something else but I can't. Once I push the center menu button it returns me to the previous menu without changing anything.

Forget about trying to change the mode from the camera, it does not work on 2.3
Can only change via a fif script.
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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #6039 on: December 10, 2014, 05:45:24 pm »
I have an E4 2.3 modified and only now I noticed that I cannot open the Flir tools. It starts and after a while closed down on its own (apparently it cannot find the camera).

May be try to reinstall Flir Tools? When it cannot find my camera it does not close, it still runs but only shows the images that were imported before.
Quote

Also in the hidden menu the USB is set to UVC and MSD. Tried to change it to something else but I can't. Once I push the center menu button it returns me to the previous menu without changing anything.

Forget about trying to change the mode from the camera, it does not work on 2.3
Can only change via a fif script.

Thank you for your input! I tried unistalling and installing the application along with the drivers but this didn't help. Will try to install it in another PC and see how it goes.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #6040 on: December 11, 2014, 09:12:14 am »
I have a quick question and it goes like this :
Has any1 tryed to isntall this lens  http://therm-app.com/product/19mm-lens/  on to a flir e4 cammera since it is fairly cheap 19mm narow fov lens that could give a longer detection range (at least i hope so :D ) there would be some housing modifications since i dont think the threads on the lenses are the same...

im using flir e4 on airsoft fields and i need as much range as possible :D

thank you :D
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #6041 on: December 11, 2014, 01:10:41 pm »
25% off Zoro Today and Friday  Code: candycane

The more people we get to buy these the more that can work on hacking other features.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #6042 on: December 11, 2014, 06:27:29 pm »
Well I have been pissed at Zoro as my order was pending until for 10 days!!! Well it finally shipped.

What came in.... a dead as crap camera.... I was hoping that was a good sign. Hooked up a charger and BAM sw v 1.22!!

I couldn't have been happier!!! All that for $700!!!

 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #6043 on: December 11, 2014, 06:57:28 pm »
YOU LUCKY BAST@RD!!!!

Congrats!  Enjoy your E4  (winkwink)
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #6044 on: December 11, 2014, 08:09:38 pm »
lol for real. I feel like I won the lottery or something. HAHA I guess they stack them on the shelf as they come in and since mine was held up I got towards the back of the stack.

My only concern would be the fact the battery has been sitting for so long. I haven't checked config date yet....Mid April So it has been sitting for 8 months!!! Should I be concerned?
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #6045 on: December 11, 2014, 09:04:51 pm »
I would imagine that the battery is just fine.
It is a Lithium, and the battery managment in the E4 shuts down if the voltage gets too low (3.2v I believe?), so it shouldn't be damaged.

Best thing to do is charge it up and give it a run until it shuts down... should be about 4 hours run time.
They are 18650's... typical in most laptop battery packs.
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #6046 on: December 12, 2014, 04:59:42 am »
Was going to wait to hack the new camera but couldn't take looking at the crappy res any more. Used TIConfig and it worked like a charm. All the menu hack stuff is just awesome. One thing I noticed between the 2 is the 1.22 boots up faster than the 2.3

The 1.22 has more background noise than the 2.3 but I changed it on the 2.3 and didnt do anything but the standard hack on the 1.22
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #6047 on: December 12, 2014, 04:09:38 pm »
total noob here (and I mean a total noob  :-[), if anyone has any clear, easy to follow guides for a total noob with regards to hacking the E4 with 2.3.0 firmware I would be forever grateful. thanks in advance.  :)
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #6048 on: December 12, 2014, 07:32:53 pm »
I've successfully applied the resolution hack to an E4 with the 2.3 firmware.  I'm now looking for the menu hack (2.3.0_Menu_3.zip) to get additional pallets, etc. All the links are stale, is there a sticky link somewhere? Thanks
 

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Re: Flir E4 Thermal imaging camera teardown
« Reply #6049 on: December 12, 2014, 08:30:14 pm »
2.3.0_Menu_3.zip

2.3.0_Menu_4.zip
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