Where is the Keysight Megazoom V ASIC?

[EEVblog]

It's funny what the distributor websites spit out if you know what to search for. I have prices 

[Someone]

It's funny what the distributor websites spit out if you know what to search for. I have prices 

So there is public info, but you won't share it?

Coming in and teasing (make fun of or attempt to provoke) people is leaving a sour taste behind.

[Fungus]

It's funny what the distributor websites spit out if you know what to search for. I have prices 

So there is public info, but you won't share it?

If Dave's under NDA then he can't publish anything.

[Martin72]

Then it's best not to say anything at all.
"I know something you don't know, but I'm not allowed to say it" is child's play.
But I don't think Dave is doing kids' stuff, so that's more of a misunderstanding in the sense that there's nothing new.

[EEVblog]

So there is public info, but you won't share it?

Just the price is public, but only if you know what to search for. If I gave you the search term then that's that same as me blabbing that info that was given to me in confidence.

[EEVblog]

But I don't think Dave is doing kids' stuff, so that's more of a misunderstanding in the sense that there's nothing new.

They have literally announced a new scope is coming:
https://connectlp.keysight.com/New-Scope-Coming-Soon

[2N3055]

Then it's best not to say anything at all.
"I know something you don't know, but I'm not allowed to say it" is child's play.
But I don't think Dave is doing kids' stuff, so that's more of a misunderstanding in the sense that there's nothing new.

I think it is weird as coming from Keysight to have this "teaser" marketing strategy. Is there no competent marketing people to hire anymore?
What this teaser strategy has to do with professionals and how Keysight is doing business?

Anyways, until we see it we won't know if that new scope even has to do anything with this topic at all..
I.e. if this new scope is Infiniivision series Megazoom IV equivalent.

When people ask "Will there be new Megazoom IV(5)?" they mean new chipset that will allow new generation of Infiniivision 1000/2000/3000/4000 class of scopes.
From what I can see, new scope will be Infinium class and therefore not relevant for this topic at all.

[EEVblog]

When people ask "Will there be new Megazoom IV(5)?" they mean new chipset that will allow new generation of Infiniivision 1000/2000/3000/4000 class of scopes.
From what I can see, new scope will be Infinium class and therefore not relevant for this topic at all.

As someone noted on here, they just released the MXR-B series Infinium, with now no less than 6 scopes in the range.
https://www.keysight.com/us/en/products/oscilloscopes/infiniium-real-time-oscilloscopes.html
The Infinivision architecture is now pushing 14 years old
https://www.keysight.com/us/en/products/oscilloscopes/infiniivision-2-4-channel-digital-oscilloscopes.html
But the 4000G was just released in Jan 2024, but nothing new, same old architecture, so probably just a "fill in the gaps" release.
https://apctech.com/news/keysight-introduces-new-infiniivision-4000g-x-series-oscilloscope.html

Where's your bet?

[2N3055]

When people ask "Will there be new Megazoom IV(5)?" they mean new chipset that will allow new generation of Infiniivision 1000/2000/3000/4000 class of scopes.
From what I can see, new scope will be Infinium class and therefore not relevant for this topic at all.

As someone noted on here, they just released the MXR-B series Infinium, with now no less than 6 scopes in the range.
https://www.keysight.com/us/en/products/oscilloscopes/infiniium-real-time-oscilloscopes.html
The Infinivision architecture is now pushing 14 years old
https://www.keysight.com/us/en/products/oscilloscopes/infiniivision-2-4-channel-digital-oscilloscopes.html
But the 4000G was just released in Jan 2024, but nothing new, same old architecture, so probably just a "fill in the gaps" release.
https://apctech.com/news/keysight-introduces-new-infiniivision-4000g-x-series-oscilloscope.html

Where's your bet?

Not a gambling man.
But if I were to speculate a response to R&S 4 and 5 12 bit series.
Basically a oaralel line not a replacement to old MZ IV lne

[EEVblog]

Basically a oaralel line not a replacement to old MZ IV lne

To do that you'd have to replace 4 different series scopes in one hit, big ask.

[2N3055]

Basically a oaralel line not a replacement to old MZ IV lne

To do that you'd have to replace 4 different series scopes in one hit, big ask.

No they would not, actually...
It would not be replacement but released in parallel.
Same as R&S released first one 12 bit, then another..
They will not stop selling existing black refresh M.Z. IV as long as people will buy them.

Make note R&S did not release replacement for RTB2000/RTM3000/RTA4000, but two scopes above that class..
I presume Keysight will not first release 12 bit 1000 series first..
But hey what do I know?

[pdenisowski]

I think it is weird as coming from Keysight to have this "teaser" marketing strategy. Is there no competent marketing people to hire anymore?
What this teaser strategy has to do with professionals and how Keysight is doing business?

Tek did a "teaser" for their 2 series MSO and we (R&S) did a "teaser" for the MXO4, so Keysight would kind of be the "odd man out" if they didn't do this for their new scope.

The interesting thing to me is that teaser campaigns seem to (historically) be limited to oscilloscopes.  I don't recall similar campaigns for VNAs, spec ans, sig gens, etc., either from us or from our competitors.

Maybe that says something about the kinds of people who buy scopes?

[2N3055]

I think it is weird as coming from Keysight to have this "teaser" marketing strategy. Is there no competent marketing people to hire anymore?
What this teaser strategy has to do with professionals and how Keysight is doing business?

Tek did a "teaser" for their 2 series MSO and we (R&S) did a "teaser" for the MXO4, so Keysight would kind of be the "odd man out" if they didn't do this for their new scope.

The interesting thing to me is that teaser campaigns seem to (historically) be limited to oscilloscopes.  I don't recall similar campaigns for VNAs, spec ans, sig gens, etc., either from us or from our competitors.

Maybe that says something about the kinds of people who buy scopes?

Or marketing people for scopes looking at wrong data...

[pdenisowski]

Same as R&S released first one 12 bit, then another.

And I don't think I'm giving anything away if I strongly hint (tease?) that we're not finished releasing 12 bit scopes.

If I had four new scopes to release, I wouldn't release them all at the same time, even if they were all "ready" at the same time.  NPIs (new product introductions) generate a lot of good publicity and "buzz" that extends well beyond the product being released. 

An NPI is also a LOT of work - it's not just sending out a press release and updating a website.  An important part of that process is working with industry influencers like Dave to give them early access to new instruments, and that of course does require some degree of confidentiality.

(and, ironically, I think this thread kind of proves that there is some merit to the "teaser" strategy after all ....)

[2N3055]

Same as R&S released first one 12 bit, then another.

And I don't think I'm giving anything away if I strongly hint (tease?) that we're not finished releasing 12 bit scopes.

If I had four new scopes to release, I wouldn't release them all at the same time, even if they were all "ready" at the same time.  NPIs (new product introductions) generate a lot of good publicity and "buzz" that extends well beyond the product being released. 

An NPI is also a LOT of work - it's not just sending out a press release and updating a website.  An important part of that process is working with industry influencers like Dave to give them early access to new instruments, and that of course does require some degree of confidentiality.

(and, ironically, I think this thread kind of proves that there is some merit to the "teaser" strategy after all ....)

Well said...

As for merit, we'll see when they release and publish price and specs and what is target market....

[EEVblog]

If I had four new scopes to release, I wouldn't release them all at the same time, even if they were all "ready" at the same time.  NPIs (new product introductions) generate a lot of good publicity and "buzz" that extends well beyond the product being released. 

Keysight introduced two series when the Megazoom IV came out, (2000 and 3000). But yeah, I wouldn't expect that again, let alone 4 to cover every series they have now.
Not only would it be way more work, you would be effectively blowing your marketing shot in one go for the next say 5 years. Better to have multiple staged releases, and then you have new stuff to show at trade shows and online marketing for the next few years.
And as practically everyone does, you start at the mid to high(er) end and work your way up and down the market levels with new releases leveraging the core tech.

[EEVblog]

An important part of that process is working with industry influencers like Dave to give them early access to new instruments, and that of course does require some degree of confidentiality.

And for those interested in how that works, it's often not under NDA, it's just a handshake deal that you won't release any info.
There is never any "influencer pack" with talking points and a release schedule etc, that's for the likes of the Apple's of the world and all the consumer influencers. Our industry is way more informal.
And when the manufacturer starts to "tease" publicly then that's a signal that it's ok for those in the know the start teasing as well, hence me here having some fun.
As has been discussed before, I'm sure that some major customers have already seen the actual unit, and maybe even have one for pre-release testing.

I actually don't know if this new scope contains the long awaited "Megazoom V", I could very well be in the wrong thread. I do know (by assumption) it's not the old Megazoom IV.
I do hope it is, just for nostalgia sake, as I've used every "Megazoom" scope from #1.

[jjoonathan]

A power button?! Next thing you're going to tell me it smells like new instrument smell     

Yeah, the tease here is almost as much of a PR coup as the RTB2000 "killer scope in town" thread.

Almost.

And I'm totally here for it.

[EEVblog]

A power button?! Next thing you're going to tell me it smells like new instrument smell     
Yeah, the tease here is almost as much of a PR coup as the RTB2000 "killer scope in town" thread.

I wouldn't count on that amazing limited release bundle deal R&S did with the RTB2000 though.
I might release a carry handle shot next week...

[Martin72]

A power button?!

It's madness, a button that lights up green...

[Anthocyanina]

I actually don't know if this new scope contains the long awaited "Megazoom V", I could very well be in the wrong thread. I do know (by assumption) it's not the old Megazoom IV.
I do hope it is, just for nostalgia sake, as I've used every "Megazoom" scope from #1.

if this is the scope from the sweepstakes link, it's an infiniium scope(that's what it says on the link), do the current infiniium scopes use megazoom IV at all? i thought they used a different platform entirely from infiniivision scopes which do run on megazoom IV. how likely is it that they use a new megazoom chip in the infiniium class scopes? i don't think too likely, especially since the megazoom IV scopes have the splash screen that says megazoom on boot, and since you say you don't know if this has megazoom V, then the splash screen doesn't say megazoom, hmmm!

[EEVblog]

if this is the scope from the sweepstakes link, it's an infiniium scope(that's what it says on the link)

I don't see that on the URL or the page?

, do the current infiniium scopes use megazoom IV at all? i thought they used a different platform entirely from infiniivision scopes which do run on megazoom IV. how likely is it that they use a new megazoom chip in the infiniium class scopes? i don't think too likely, especially since the megazoom IV scopes have the splash screen that says megazoom on boot, and since you say you don't know if this has megazoom V, then the splash screen doesn't say megazoom, hmmm!

I don't believe the Infinium scopes use the Megazoom chipset.
I have not seen the splashscreen because I physically don't have a scope, but I do have a photo and some basic specs and can assure you it's not an Infiniium.

[Anthocyanina]

if this is the scope from the sweepstakes link, it's an infiniium scope(that's what it says on the link)

I don't see that on the URL or the page?

hmmm! the attached image shows what i see

, do the current infiniium scopes use megazoom IV at all? i thought they used a different platform entirely from infiniivision scopes which do run on megazoom IV. how likely is it that they use a new megazoom chip in the infiniium class scopes? i don't think too likely, especially since the megazoom IV scopes have the splash screen that says megazoom on boot, and since you say you don't know if this has megazoom V, then the splash screen doesn't say megazoom, hmmm!

I don't believe the Infinium scopes use the Megazoom chipset.
I have not seen the splashscreen because I physically don't have a scope, but I do have a photo and some basic specs and can assure you it's not an Infiniium.

oooh! i misinterpreted your comments as you having one already! 

[EEVblog]

hmmm! the attached image shows what i see

So it does, missed that.
Maybe that page is old? how did you find it? Or maybe someone just got the copy wrong.

[Anthocyanina]

hmmm! the attached image shows what i see

So it does, missed that.
Maybe that page is old? how did you find it? Or maybe someone just got the copy wrong.

i found the site while googling around about keysight scope repairs as i try again to fix my scope, that link showed up in the google search somehow there's no indication on the site how old that page is, except  for the copyright 2024 thing, so it's at least from this year, but it saying infiniium, and the shape of the scope made me think it was about the MXR B they released not long ago