Where is the Keysight Megazoom V ASIC?

[skander36]

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Unlikley to leap to 14bit in low end stuff, as 12 bit is plenty, but you never know. I'd bet on 12bit.

Doesn't have Analog Discovery 14 bit real ADC?
I did not saw much difference as we can see from 8 bit to 12 bit ...
I think that 12 bit will be the norm for a long time.

[2N3055]

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Unlikley to leap to 14bit in low end stuff, as 12 bit is plenty, but you never know. I'd bet on 12bit.

Doesn't have Analog Discovery 14 bit real ADC?
I did not saw much difference as we can see from 8 bit to 12 bit ...
I think that 12 bit will be the norm for a long time.

Yes it is real 14 bit. But it is slow sample rate 100MS/s, and since AD has only 2 input ranges, 14 bits is wasted most of the time to provide "simulation" of input ranges.

[skander36]

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Unlikley to leap to 14bit in low end stuff, as 12 bit is plenty, but you never know. I'd bet on 12bit.

Doesn't have Analog Discovery 14 bit real ADC?
I did not saw much difference as we can see from 8 bit to 12 bit ...
I think that 12 bit will be the norm for a long time.

Yes it is real 14 bit. But it is slow sample rate 100MS/s, and since AD has only 2 input ranges, 14 bits is wasted most of the time to provide "simulation" of input ranges.

125 MS/s on Discovery3. Which means 25% more vs. Discovery2   
Anyway let see at least one 12 bit scope from Keysight ...

[EEVblog]

[jc101]

Have you discovered that after getting the hardware, you need to rent a licence key to use it? 

[pdenisowski]

Oh come on Dave: you've got to drop a bigger hint than that

[HighVoltage]

Not even a blurry picture?

[skander36]

Not even a blurry picture?

or a toe from that leg? 

[EEVblog]

Oh come on Dave: you've got to drop a bigger hint than that

I haven't seen the infamous leg, just a stubby foot. Assuming sticky rubber bottom, but can't confirm.

[Martin72]

1)Whatever is to come, it is either so far out of reach that no normal mortal hobbyist can afford it, ergo uninteresting or at most nice to know.
2)Or Keysight is paying tribute to the fact that the market for oscilloscopes under 10000€ has almost completely gone to the Chinese.
This means that you either offer more for the same money, or the same for less money.
If neither is the case, you end up with 1) and it doesn't matter what is supposed to come or not.

[Anthocyanina]

1)Whatever is to come, it is either so far out of reach that no normal mortal hobbyist can afford it, ergo uninteresting or at most nice to know.
2)Or Keysight is paying tribute to the fact that the market for oscilloscopes under 10000€ has almost completely gone to the Chinese.
This means that you either offer more for the same money, or the same for less money.
If neither is the case, you end up with 1) and it doesn't matter what is supposed to come or not.

also, keysight will likely be the last big manufacturer to release a 12 bit oscilloscope in the under 10k$ price range(maybe tektronix and iwatsu are still over 10k$?), so if the megazoom v scope is not 12bit, or is not under 10k$, that product will have a real hard time fitting anywhere in the market, much less the hobbyist market, especially since they've made it clear they only want to sell to corporations and not individuals

[J-R]

Have you discovered that after getting the hardware, you need to rent a licence key to use it? 

There is a free version:
"PathWave BenchVue Basic Apps Are Now Free
Starting from PathWave BenchVue Platform version 2022.1, the BenchVue Included license activation process has been removed and BenchVue Basic Installers are made available. You can now download PathWave BenchVue Basic and control your instruments for free! PathWave BenchVue Basic apps provide you with unlimited access and features available one version before the latest version of BenchVue software."

https://www.keysight.com/us/en/lib/resources/technical-specifications/pathwave-benchvue-basic.html

I am running it in a Windows 10 LTSC 2021 virtual machine and using ethernet on the test equipment.

[EEVblog]

1)Whatever is to come, it is either so far out of reach that no normal mortal hobbyist can afford it, ergo uninteresting or at most nice to know.

Probably the majority of people on here are professionals as well as hobbyists.
Keysight has never been a maker of affordable hobbyist gear. At best they market some low end stuff to schools. You've always been able to get at least twice the bang-per-buck from Rigol or Siglent. Don't expect that to change.

[EEVblog]

Oh come on Dave: you've got to drop a bigger hint than that

Can confirm no carry handle innovation.

[Anthocyanina]

randomly came across this. no sign of how recent this is, so who knows if this was for a past scope or not!
edit: the shilouette looks like an MXR, might be the MXR B scopes which appeared recently on their website

[Martin72]

Looks like the Infiniium MRX B series scope...

https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/news/test-and-measurement-companies-release-new-oscilloscopes-dense-computing-designs/

Not so long ago.

[tautech]

Looks like the Infiniium MRX B series scope...

Looks like a serious hackers playground. 

Post-purchase upgrades
Add analog bandwidth, up to 6 GHz MXR2BW
Add analog channels, 4 to 8 MXRB8CH
Add memory, 400 Mpts/ch or 1.6 Gpts/ch flexible memory MXR2MEM
Add RTSA and DDC MXR2RTSA
Add RF Frequency Extension, 6 GHz MXR2FRE
Add MSO, 16 channels MXR2MSO

P10
https://www.keysight.com/us/en/assets/3123-1557/data-sheets/Infiniium-MXR-B-Series.pdf

[pdenisowski]

Looks like a serious hackers playground. 

Are you implying you think that the new Keysight scope will be "hackable" the same way Siglent scopes are?  I would be very, very surprised to see that happening.

Also, the data sheet / brochure seems to indicate that some of those options require new hardware and a trip back to service.

[EEVblog]

edit: the shilouette looks like an MXR, might be the MXR B scopes which appeared recently on their website

Nope. That ain't it, Chief. 

They did a good job blacking it out.

[nctnico]

Looks like a serious hackers playground. 

Are you implying you think that the new Keysight scope will be "hackable" the same way Siglent scopes are?  I would be very, very surprised to see that happening

Maybe not out in the open but I'm sure there will be people able to hack anything. And the keygen isn't more complicated than the ones used for Rigol and Siglent. But they don't publish the results as the big brands won't be so kind.

It is a public secret there are key generators out there for Lecroy for example.

[Martin72]

But they don't publish the results as the big brands won't be so kind.

That is why the "solution" for the larger Siglent models is not made public.

[MiroS]

edit: the shilouette looks like an MXR, might be the MXR B scopes which appeared recently on their website

Nope. That ain't it, Chief. 

They did a good job blacking it out.

Keysight , R&S and similar brands might  be not able to compete in perspective next a few years.
I will be not suprised if big brands will completely stop investing in many market segments. Thinking about U-NIT, Sieglent, Rigol that they will stay where they are today  would be  very naive. Blacking can  be soon reality  for Keysight, R&S, ...

[zrq]

Keysight's FlexLM based license manager is known to be weak...   

[skander36]

Looks like a serious hackers playground. 

Are you implying you think that the new Keysight scope will be "hackable" the same way Siglent scopes are?  I would be very, very surprised to see that happening

Maybe not out in the open but I'm sure there will be people able to hack anything. And the keygen isn't more complicated than the ones used for Rigol and Siglent. But they don't publish the results as the big brands won't be so kind.
It is a public secret there are key generators out there for Lecroy for example.

The hard part is in the case where a hardware upgrade is needed to achieve full options. Also for R&S there are keygens but for some models some surgery is needed...

[EEVblog]

Maybe not out in the open but I'm sure there will be people able to hack anything. And the keygen isn't more complicated than the ones used for Rigol and Siglent. But they don't publish the results as the big brands won't be so kind.
It is a public secret there are key generators out there for Lecroy for example.

People are less likely to hack expensive higher end stuff as there is more to lose if you screw it up.
This is why a $300 Rigol is hacked within a day of release, but it takes years for the $10k Keysight 3000 hack to show up.
There are brand(s) that deliberately make it easier to hack, it's part of the marketing
I hereby coin the term Harketing