Where is the Keysight Megazoom V ASIC?

[jjoonathan]

Didn't we already get "UXR but without the crazy microwave clock multiplying / sampling / interleaving"? Isn't that what MXR/EXR are?

[EEVblog]

there are rumors that in few months Keysite will be launching a new scope worldwide, based on UXR platform design , scale down model and will be having 14 bit adc. Will have MSO option and will be in the low coast segment. anyone confirms?

Daniel posted this in May:

[EEVblog]

Didn't we already get "UXR but without the crazy microwave clock multiplying / sampling / interleaving"? Isn't that what MXR/EXR are?

I believe so.
No way UXR tech is coming down to the 1000/2000/3000 series scopes.
Any new scope will be 12bit, because 8 bit is essentially dead. 10 bit lasted for a bit (e.g. R&S 2000), but 12 bit is standard in $400 scopes now.
Unlikley to leap to 14bit in low end stuff, as 12 bit is plenty, but you never know. I'd bet on 12bit.

[pdenisowski]

there are rumors that in few months Keysite will be launching a new scope worldwide, based on UXR platform design , scale down model and will be having 14 bit adc. Will have MSO option and will be in the low coast segment. anyone confirms?

Source for rumors?  I've heard all kinds of rumors about our own products and almost all of them were wrong.

That said, if the new scope is only a few months out, then KS is likely already sharing details with and doing demos for "special customers"

[mikeselectricstuff]

Electronica in Nov might be a launch opportunity- KS usually have a big presence there

[HighVoltage]

That said, if the new scope is only a few months out, then KS is likely already sharing details with and doing demos for "special customers"

So, Dave might have one already?
Definitely knows more than he shares here?

[Bud]

How's Dave a special customer? 99.999999% of EEVBlog members will not buy that new KS stuff outright because they simply cannot afford it.

[mikeselectricstuff]

How's Dave a special customer? 99.999999% of EEVBlog members will not buy that new KS stuff outright because they simply cannot afford it.

But potential customers may well watch an EEVBLOG review

[pdenisowski]

How's Dave a special customer? 99.999999% of EEVBlog members will not buy that new KS stuff outright because they simply cannot afford it.

But potential customers may well watch an EEVBLOG review

Yes, Dave is very special to us at Rohde & Schwarz

And there are a lot of people (like myself) who are here as hobbyists but who also work professionally with test and measurement instruments. 

Even before I started working in T&M, I still enjoyed watching and learning about equipment, instruments, etc. that I would never be able to buy with my own money (or even touch).  I don't think it's that different from other hobbies (sports cars, boats, planes, etc.)

[Martin72]

But potential customers may well watch an EEVBLOG review

I came across this forum because of the detailed reviews of the Rigol DS1000Z, which was almost 6 years ago.
The cameras in the "studio" have improved over the years, the reviews haven't and now there is nothing that I would call a review.
I unscrew it and then screw it back together again and play around with it a bit, which is too meagre, at least for me.
And potential customers in these price ranges aren't interested in what something looks like on the inside, they're interested in the performance, what the device can do, that's shown, ideally in a comparison.

[EEVblog]

That said, if the new scope is only a few months out, then KS is likely already sharing details with and doing demos for "special customers"

Yep. Tek did that, and involved the customers in the design requirements process, I think they talk about it in my impromptu talk with Andy Tedd about the 2 series:

[EEVblog]

But potential customers may well watch an EEVBLOG review

I came across this forum because of the detailed reviews of the Rigol DS1000Z, which was almost 6 years ago.
The cameras in the "studio" have improved over the years, the reviews haven't and now there is nothing that I would call a review.

A 1 hour review isn't detailed enough for you?

[EEVblog]

How's Dave a special customer? 99.999999% of EEVBlog members will not buy that new KS stuff outright because they simply cannot afford it.

42% of my audience are professionals in the industry.
And students become professionals in a few years.

[EEVblog]

That said, if the new scope is only a few months out, then KS is likely already sharing details with and doing demos for "special customers"

So, Dave might have one already?
Definitely knows more than he shares here?

Not sure if I ever signed an NDA with Keysight, but in any case I'm under the professional honor system. But I can say what I don't have, and I don't have a new Keysight scope.
But yes it is common for companies to send products to the engineering channels before release.
Daniel has teased on X that some new product is coming. Keysight espresso machine?

[Hydron]

With the fastest brewing speed on the market, but the it can only give you a 3mL espresso shot at one time?

[jc101]

It will give you hot water, but the coffee side needs a BenchVue licence.

[nctnico]

It will give you hot water, but the coffee side needs a BenchVue licence.

   

Or a rented license like on their new battery tester DC load.

[jc101]

It will give you hot water, but the coffee side needs a BenchVue licence.

   

Or a rented license like on their new battery tester DC load.

Exactly that. 
I'd happily buy one of those, even though they do now offer a permanent licence.  I just draw the line at a 30% uplift in costs to use a function that is screen printed onto the front of the unit.  That is physically impossible to use without the BenchVue licence.

Oh, and you're supposed to have the permanent licence on maintenance for £100's a year.

It seems Keysight is joining the Altium gravy train.

[HighVoltage]

Oh, and you're supposed to have the permanent licence on maintenance for £100's a year.

Is that true ?

[jc101]

Yes, £285 a year for the support.

£1900 for the battery emulation node locked licence, on top of the £4000 for the instrument itself.

[m k]

Normal day of era of office computers.

DEC had very high service hour rates, they wanted a monthly support fee.
But outside of the US that wasn't all.

Non US support fee included a software upgrade permission fee.
That was probably invented when third party started offering support.
Can't remember how that ended, but paying a permission fee only was not an option.

[EEVblog]

It will give you hot water, but the coffee side needs a BenchVue licence.

   
Or a rented license like on their new battery tester DC load.

That sucks balls.

[HighVoltage]

Yes, £285 a year for the support.

£1900 for the battery emulation node locked licence, on top of the £4000 for the instrument itself.

WOW!

Keysight could have owned the market by offering a free license of basic software to communicate with any of their instruments.
But this should be free of charge and without a stupid license manager.

Then for those who want a more advanced software version, they can charge some $

[jc101]

WOW, indeed. The instrument's PSU and DC Load sides can be controlled from the front panel. The battery simulation side just says Battery Simulation on the front panel, and it's all run via BenchVue. A whole 33% of the instrument is useless without the licence, but that is sold as an optional extra.  Initially, it was an annual rental only, but after some pushback, they graced us with a node-locked permanent licence.  Rather than the more obvious choice of just throwing it in for free with the box.

It is impressive marketing. It sets the tone for how Keysight will approach customers in the future. I posted a comment on one of their YouTube demos and had a nice video call with some KeySight people. They were interested in the instrument from a technical side. When I raised the licence issue, silence and shrugs were all that was forthcoming.

The unit would be an improvement over my Keithley 2281S-20-6, for me at least, because you can generate battery models. The Keithley can, but at a discharge of a fixed 1A. Keithley steers you to an SMU to generate the models.

I'd buy one tomorrow if it weren't for the stupidity of the licence. I'd probably keep the BenchVue behemoth in its own VM. The licence manager is seriously invasive.

[m k]

Generally service is never profitable for a producer of large product repository.
Third party can always do a cherry picking.
So for third party it's maximizing profits and for producer it's minimizing losses.

We all know what happened to mini computers.
Now servers are back and next year M$ is about to boost the "terminal" end of the market.
But TEs have a different ecosystem.

When was this no service for privates started?

Recent stock peaked end of 2022, doubling after covid.
Now trend is down when index is up.

Maybe their crystal ball is telling that customer base is fading to the eternity.
So for now all possible customers must be lured in and sucked dry.
Very rosy future.