Author Topic: Weird Snap-On Multimeter  (Read 19100 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline EEVblogTopic starter

  • Administrator
  • *****
  • Posts: 41126
  • Country: au
    • EEVblog
 
The following users thanked this post: Fungus, AVGresponding

Offline AVGresponding

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 5283
  • Country: england
  • Exploring Rabbit Holes Since The 1970s
Re: Weird Snap-On Multimeter
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2021, 09:55:09 am »
Given it's a Snap-On, the price is about a third of what I expected... I wonder what it's a rebrand of? Aneng?
nuqDaq yuch Dapol?
Addiction count: Agilent-AVO-BlackStar-Brymen-Chauvin Arnoux-Fluke-GenRad-Hameg-HP-Keithley-IsoTech-Mastech-Megger-Metrix-Micronta-Racal-RFL-Siglent-Solartron-Tektronix-Thurlby-Time Electronics-TTi-UniT
 

Offline Brumby

  • Supporter
  • ****
  • Posts: 12521
  • Country: au
Re: Weird Snap-On Multimeter
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2021, 11:20:58 am »
At least it doesn't have Hfe


The price, however, is more than ludicrous.  I've heard of paying for a brand - but sheeeeesh!
« Last Edit: March 06, 2021, 11:22:39 am by Brumby »
Why Clippy?  --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_Dtmpe9qaQ
 

Offline Fungus

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 18062
  • Country: 00
Re: Weird Snap-On Multimeter
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2021, 11:48:48 am »
The basic DC accuracy is 0.005 so maybe the price is justified?

The price, however, is more than ludicrous.  I've heard of paying for a brand - but sheeeeesh!

It could be worse, check the price of their manual-ranging voltmeter/fuse tester:

Or their "Traditional multimeter"
« Last Edit: March 06, 2021, 11:51:37 am by Fungus »
 

Offline Martin72

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 8043
  • Country: de
Re: Weird Snap-On Multimeter
« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2021, 12:15:32 pm »

Offline coromonadalix

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 7958
  • Country: ca
Re: Weird Snap-On Multimeter
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2021, 12:28:11 pm »
for a 4000 count meter  ??   |O   :-DD   :--
 

Offline Martin72

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 8043
  • Country: de
Re: Weird Snap-On Multimeter
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2021, 12:28:40 pm »
A huge thing, what the dimensions concerns:

 
The following users thanked this post: AVGresponding

Offline coromonadalix

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 7958
  • Country: ca
Re: Weird Snap-On Multimeter
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2021, 12:31:18 pm »
 Enhanced in witch way  loll    look like a soap bar     can't stop laughing

A while ago  we had a clock meter somewhere here for 80$ usd,  and was i think a 20000 count meter ...
« Last Edit: March 06, 2021, 12:32:51 pm by coromonadalix »
 

Offline Fraser

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 14478
  • Country: gb
Re: Weird Snap-On Multimeter
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2021, 02:08:02 pm »
I own a Snap-On BK5600 bore scope and their Blue Point Microscan OBD II diagnostics scanner.

I bought both at very reasonable cost on eBay and both were ‘as new’ condition. The original price of the BK5600 bore scope was something like £700 ! I paid around £80 for mine. The Blue Point Microscan is priced at around £400 and I paid £50 for mine. Deals like this are quite common when agents sell their demonstration products.

Why is Snap-On kit so expensive ? Well why is any specialist kit expensive ..... because the Manufacturer decides that the market will pay the asking price. Simple ! Where medical kit is concerned there is a lot of safety compliance testing, certification etc and so the inflated prices may be more justifiable. With garage kit, the garages need robust and reliable test kit with good support. That is what Snap-On trades on. They offer lifetime, no quibble replacement on some tools so you effectively pay fir that in the original price. Other kit is sold with same day or next day replacement guarantee if it fails. This is important for a busy garage. Garages charge decent money for repair and servicing so they can afford £500 on a meter that carries the respected Snap-On brand name and associated support. My local garage is excellent and charges fair prices. I know the owner and to hear what he has to pay for diagnostic equipment and then an annual subscription to use it makes my eyes water. Garages are ‘victims’ of the motor industries desire to make third party serving difficult and expensive. We are back to Louis Rossmanns ‘Right to Repair’ argument in some ways. Third party suppliers of advanced vehicle diagnostic equipment only have to compete against the crazy prices asked my the Car Manufacturers for such kit. This sets an environment in which ANY electronics diagnostic kit costs a small fortune and some require a support contract or subscription to continue their use ! Not unlike other hardware systems I have worked on in other specialist fields.

So this Multimeter is around £500 in the UK. Such a price would not be a surprise to most garages and they will pay it rather than take a risk on buying a multimeter from an unknown brand with unknown support quality. There is also the ‘customer expects Snap-On tools’ mentality that supports buying high quality tools from Snap-On. Are those tools worth the asking price ? That is for you to decide. My video borescooe and Microscan are excellent bits of kit that work very well  :-+ The video borescope has a very small diameter tip equipped with two CCD cameras to see straight ahead or to provide a 90 degree view (great for piston crown and cylinder inspections). The view is selected by a simple touch of the LCD screen  :-+ No messing with angled mirror tips here ! A very nice and useful, bit of kit in both the garage and home environments. The OBD II unit is well designed and built. It does its job well but so do many Asia sourced scanners !  I own some of the Chinese scanners and they can be very good as well. Good ones can still be quite expensive though.

For information, Snap-On have two ranges.... the Red cased Snap-On range and the Blue cased Blue Point range. The Red range is normally custom made for Snap-On but the Blue-Point range is usually a bought in product that Snap-On want to offer under their “3rd Party Tool” branding of Blue Point.

Back to the multimeter in question..... it is a Snap-On Red cased unit so built under contract for Snap-On. By who ?..... No idea  :-// It offers a easily held unit with large colour display for ease of visibility when viewing from a distance or in poor lighting. The measurement functions match those needed in the garage environment and the format of the buttons etc is intended to make it easy to use. The unit will also be sealed against moisture and dirt ingress. Worth £500 ? Well a FLUKE 87V is not exactly cheap is it and much of the cost is down to the FLUKE name, so yes, I think a garage will consider £500 for such a meter affordable. Heck when they have to pay £15K for a OBD II diagnostics unit and a further £1500 per year for its licence subscription, £500 for a Snap-On meter actually sounds cheap !

Such a meter would likely sell for around £150 on the secondary market and garages often get discounts from Snap-On.

Get to know your local independent garage owner, like I did, and you will soon realise what rich pickings the garage equipment suppliers have in the industry and why you have to pay your garage £75/hour for labour. I had to pay £10 per tyre to have four tyres taken off their wheel rims and that was less than 15 minutes work. I understand that garage servicing is even more expensive in the USA.

Fraser



« Last Edit: March 06, 2021, 03:51:23 pm by Fraser »
If I have helped you please consider a donation : https://gofund.me/c86b0a2c
 

Offline Fraser

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 14478
  • Country: gb
Re: Weird Snap-On Multimeter
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2021, 02:13:11 pm »
A quick check of eBay shows that I can buy this multimeter new for £250 in the UK....

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Snap-On-Enhanced-Multimeter-TRMS-Colour-EEDM525F-NEW/373481901985?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3De4ec50eddc9b4817b8835834c2f817a9%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D15%26mehot%3Dnone%26sd%3D373481901985%26itm%3D373481901985%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2380057%26brand%3DSnap-on&_trksid=p2380057.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3Aee385001-7e85-11eb-96b3-9a35544bf252%7Cparentrq%3A07e18dbf1780a6e610bf0248ffe7faa3%7Ciid%3A1

Seller looks to be a Snap On dealer or factory outlet. I bought my Snap On borescope and Microscan from such a seller on eBay. I registered the Microscan with Snap On with no difficulty so it has not “fallen off the back of a lorry”. I think there are deals on Snap On kit and they sometimes appear as new kit on eBay via dealers.

Fraser
« Last Edit: March 06, 2021, 02:18:32 pm by Fraser »
If I have helped you please consider a donation : https://gofund.me/c86b0a2c
 

Offline themadhippy

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 4228
  • Country: gb
Re: Weird Snap-On Multimeter
« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2021, 02:17:06 pm »
Quote
LOL, you have to pay for the user manual:
yea but its  guaranteed for life
 

Offline Fraser

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 14478
  • Country: gb
Re: Weird Snap-On Multimeter
« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2021, 02:25:18 pm »
Both my units came with hard copy user manuals. Some equipment comes with a CD or on line manuals that the user must print. Is £10 for a replacement manual unfair ? Not in my experience. When asking companies to provide a paper manual fir specialist equipment, I have been quoted anything from £10 to £175  :scared:
The worst case is when a company says the equipment is obsolete and no user manual was kept on file.

If a Snap-On customer asks their C.S. Rep for the PDF of the user manual, they can usually help, even for old kit.... and at no cost.

I am not. Snap-On fanboy and only own the above stated equipment from them, but they are a reputable company that is known to provide excellent customer support. So let’s not bash them over the £10 paper manual cost eh ? Try getting other big companies to supply one cheaper for specialist kit ? You will likely be offered only the PDF to print yourself. Time is money after all.

Fraser
« Last Edit: March 06, 2021, 03:42:15 pm by Fraser »
If I have helped you please consider a donation : https://gofund.me/c86b0a2c
 
The following users thanked this post: tooki

Online HKJ

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 3773
  • Country: dk
    • Tests
Re: Weird Snap-On Multimeter
« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2021, 02:53:34 pm »
It looks like the meter has more current ranges than standard, i.e. it can measure a decade lower currents than other 4000 count meters.
 

Offline Martin72

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 8043
  • Country: de
Re: Weird Snap-On Multimeter
« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2021, 03:23:19 pm »
Quote
The basic DC accuracy is 0.005 so maybe the price is justified?

Fluke 289 0.025
Fluke 87V 0.05
Brymen 869 0.02
Siglent SDM3055 0.015

Well...Not so bad, more spec. infos would be nice.

Online HKJ

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 3773
  • Country: dk
    • Tests
Re: Weird Snap-On Multimeter
« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2021, 03:48:29 pm »
Quote
The basic DC accuracy is 0.005 so maybe the price is justified?

Fluke 289 0.025%
Fluke 87V 0.05%
Brymen 869 0.02%
Siglent SDM3055 0.015%

Well...Not so bad, more spec. infos would be nice.

Read the specifications: 0.005 is nowhere as good as 0.025% (I added % to the above quote).

« Last Edit: March 06, 2021, 03:52:34 pm by HKJ »
 

Offline Martin72

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 8043
  • Country: de
Re: Weird Snap-On Multimeter
« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2021, 03:51:02 pm »
Hm, thought the 0.005 was meant in %

Online HKJ

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 3773
  • Country: dk
    • Tests
Re: Weird Snap-On Multimeter
« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2021, 03:52:07 pm »
Hm, thought the 0.005 was meant in %

That would not be possible on a 4000 count meter.
 
The following users thanked this post: Martin72

Offline tunk

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 1325
  • Country: no
Re: Weird Snap-On Multimeter
« Reply #17 on: March 06, 2021, 03:53:06 pm »
4000 count is 0.025% resolution, so I would guess it's 5mV, or 0.125%.
 
The following users thanked this post: Martin72

Offline Fraser

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 14478
  • Country: gb
Re: Weird Snap-On Multimeter
« Reply #18 on: March 06, 2021, 04:02:44 pm »
Another expensive product for car diagnostics is the series of PICO automotive specialist USB oscilloscopes. Once again we see the price adjusted upwards to what garages are willing to pay for electronics diagnostic kit. Pretty decent automotive DSO’s but anything but cheap !

https://www.picoauto.com/

https://uk.autologic.com/products/picoscope

http://www.saelig.com/category/MFR00063G.htm


Look at the basic 4225 kit specifications and then the price...... $1900 for just 2 channels with up to 400Ms/S sampling rate and only 20MHz bandwidth !

http://www.saelig.com/picoscope-4225-1/picoscope-4225-standard-kit.htm


Fraser
« Last Edit: March 06, 2021, 04:08:54 pm by Fraser »
If I have helped you please consider a donation : https://gofund.me/c86b0a2c
 

Online HKJ

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 3773
  • Country: dk
    • Tests
Re: Weird Snap-On Multimeter
« Reply #19 on: March 06, 2021, 04:05:34 pm »
4000 count is 0.025% resolution, so I would guess it's 5mV, or 0.125%.

Correct.
It is, of course, possible to cheat with the "+x digits" specification. I have seen some meter where the AC specification was at the edge of cheating with a nice %, but a large "+x digits" specification.
 

Offline Martin72

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 8043
  • Country: de
Re: Weird Snap-On Multimeter
« Reply #20 on: March 06, 2021, 04:10:28 pm »
Ok I get the count thing, but what got it for benefits which makes it "not cheap"...🤔

Offline joeqsmith

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 13831
  • Country: us
Re: Weird Snap-On Multimeter
« Reply #21 on: March 06, 2021, 04:35:05 pm »
Quote
• AC/DC Current Measure parasitic draw from battery with ignition off

Had someone ask me about a current clamp to measure the parasitic draw when the car is off.    I have found the UNI-T UT210E works good enough for this.  They mention making this measurement with this meter.   Anytime I have used a standard handheld to measure this with a shunt or direct, I have to add a bunch of jumpers to allow me to pull the battery terminal after the car starts powering down.    I wonder if this meter has a better way to make this measurement.   Doubt it.     

Offline Monkeh

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 8537
  • Country: gb
Re: Weird Snap-On Multimeter
« Reply #22 on: March 06, 2021, 04:44:00 pm »
Quote
• AC/DC Current Measure parasitic draw from battery with ignition off

Had someone ask me about a current clamp to measure the parasitic draw when the car is off.    I have found the UNI-T UT210E works good enough for this.  They mention making this measurement with this meter.   Anytime I have used a standard handheld to measure this with a shunt or direct, I have to add a bunch of jumpers to allow me to pull the battery terminal after the car starts powering down.    I wonder if this meter has a better way to make this measurement.   Doubt it.   

Most likely nope, and very expensive fuses when you get it wrong.

Some of their other tools, which are not CAT rated for 'hybrids', use automotive fuses. Much more practical.

For all the laughing about the price and not-stellar specs, it's an automotive meter. The form factor and display are probably rather better than a typical 'handheld' (which we all use sat upright on a bench...) for the application.
« Last Edit: March 06, 2021, 04:48:29 pm by Monkeh »
 

Offline Fraser

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 14478
  • Country: gb
Re: Weird Snap-On Multimeter
« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2021, 05:04:17 pm »
The Snap-on Enhanced multimeter 596 data sheet.

https://www.snapon.co.za/download/sample/7589

The accessories include current clamps.

Fraser
« Last Edit: March 06, 2021, 05:07:01 pm by Fraser »
If I have helped you please consider a donation : https://gofund.me/c86b0a2c
 
The following users thanked this post: joeqsmith

Offline Monkeh

  • Super Contributor
  • ***
  • Posts: 8537
  • Country: gb
Re: Weird Snap-On Multimeter
« Reply #24 on: March 06, 2021, 05:07:56 pm »
The Snap-on Enhanced multimeter 596 data sheet.

https://www.snapon.co.za/download/sample/7589

Fraser

Even more expensive. 0.1% at 40,000 count, yawn. Pretty light on the specs, but that's normal for Snap-On.
 


Share me

Digg  Facebook  SlashDot  Delicious  Technorati  Twitter  Google  Yahoo
Smf