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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #121400 on: June 01, 2022, 03:56:20 pm »
Hi Guys,
it has been a while. Hope everyone is good!  :-+

during my time away i have been collecting.
i am now looking for a list of specs and ages of the following FLUKE meters.
Fluke 23,25,27,73,77, 8025B
Maybe Med or BD will maybe have a list of this old Fluke meters as i think they have them.

Hope you can help me.
   
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Fluke 27/AN is what a bunch of us have.  Every second one came with two service manuals.  :palm: Luckily, TEA membership helped get the service manuals properly distributed.  :-+
Are you looking for the complete manual, or just certain specs?

I still have my second manual. It's very nice but not as good as a second breakfast.

Thank you both @cycling_al and @AVG

i am so confused how to see if it is type 1,2 or 3 sometimes it is in the display sometimes not.
also RMS or /FM sometime on the display sometimes only on the sticker in the back

Also what are the defferences between then 25/27 etc.. manuals are for many types the same.. but why then the different types..
i have a 27 i think a version1 then an other with the new logo i think prob a 2 or even 3.. in the back says FM, while in 70 serie is realy says RMS or FM on the display.
and i think i am looking for service manuals for type 1 as i only find online type 2 and 3..

so and of story i have no clue what iu just collected :)))) help!   :-DD

Thank you  :-+

The only difference between a 25 and a 27 is two buttons. These are for the Relative and Min-Max functions. The internals are identical so if you can put a 25 PCB in a 27 and the extra functions will work you could add pushbuttons to a 25 but it would look ugly.
 
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #121401 on: June 01, 2022, 03:58:22 pm »
Also what are the defferences between then 25/27 etc.. manuals are for many types the same.. but why then the different types..

The difference is only buttons in the case. Why? Market differentiation, presumably.
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #121402 on: June 01, 2022, 04:17:06 pm »


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Arrgh,
Those old capacitors were marked with the outer CAN end, but NOT because of noise pickup. It was so you could avoid having high voltage on the can (which often had fairly poor insulation) where it could be a shock / leakage (burning) hazard. At signal and relevant noise frequencies both ends of the capacitor are a the same potential due to the low impedance of the capacitor.

So you're suggesting that the only useful information there is Carlson demonstrating that he is in fact a noise antenna...?   

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Yup nailed it on every point. Literally the only reason to give a shit is the high DC standing voltage being on the outside of the can. Less bzzt makes everyone happy.

There is some opinion on whether or not RF capacitors should have the case grounded but usually the problem is better solved by adding some shielding around the circuit rather than worrying about capacitor orientation.

He's a twatenna.

It can have some relevance in a high impedance/low leakage situation where it can be useful to have the outer foil at a guard voltage, rather like one might have a foil guard around a low leakage reed switch in similar circumstances. That's, however, a very specialised use case, and one where all the stops are already pulled out before you get to the stage of worrying whether the capacitors are "the right way around". It may not even do any good in that scenario, but at least it won't do any harm.
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #121403 on: June 01, 2022, 04:36:55 pm »
currently in despair and feeling the urge to garblefarg some zlotniks for compiling in mozilla root ca into node.js
May a conehead take them from behind.

(I think bd knows exactly what I am talking about ...)

in other news, a Fluke 79-3 has arrived.
in yet another news the guys who bought my appartment called and apologized for not sending the rent. They would do so immediately.

The ftth company sent me an order confirmation. I asked them for a direct Layer 3 switch connection ...
But have a Fritzbox just in case ...

@Zucca don't kill yourself. We all will find out what's being dead like early enuff. No need to accellerate the process. Immerse yourself in some good music instead. Candy Dulfer is touring, as is Wardruna. And if you want some boxed music, I still have some spare stereo sets.
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #121404 on: June 01, 2022, 04:44:56 pm »
(I think bd knows exactly what I am talking about ...)

Yup. NODE_EXTRA_CA_CERTS  >:(

Also not my circus not my monkeys now  :-DD
 
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #121405 on: June 01, 2022, 04:47:43 pm »
currently in despair and feeling the urge to garblefarg some zlotniks for compiling in mozilla root ca into node.js
May a conehead take them from behind.

That's a bit, um, special. Your proposed retribution is too fast acting.
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« Reply #121406 on: June 01, 2022, 04:50:40 pm »
(I think bd knows exactly what I am talking about ...)

Yup. NODE_EXTRA_CA_CERTS  >:(

Also not my circus not my monkeys now  :-DD

only that NODE_EXTRA_CA_CERTS is not working ... neither is the --use-openssl-ca option.
FFS why do we have a trusted ca store in the OS if they are not using it.
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #121407 on: June 01, 2022, 05:01:47 pm »
NICE.
I've used them before when I re-capped a 465B and they work a treat.  :-+
Got gerbers, precious? We needs them!
Pretty sure he just buys them from this guy:   https://www.ebay.com/sch/cuog/m.html?item=272777454683&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.m3561.l2562We dogpiled him a while back and shamed him into it on his 465B; he later admitted it made things so much easier and looked so much better.  ;)
Yes, that's where I got them and yes, I still have bruises from the dogpiling.  :o ;D
Talking of which I designed some of these as well because they work out at around $35 a set here with delivery if I buy from that dude in the USA. I can order 20 for $10 delivered from JLCPCB and sell 3 sets on ebay for £10 each then.  >:D  I will upload them somewhere once I've validated they are good.

Ifni help us, they're only $12 for a set of 6... is shipping over there really $23 for something you could literally tape inside a birthday card?  :wtf:

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #121408 on: June 01, 2022, 05:15:03 pm »
currently in despair and feeling the urge to garblefarg some zlotniks for compiling in mozilla root ca into node.js
May a conehead take them from behind.
That's a bit, um, special. Your proposed retribution is too fast acting.

Fuck... obviously it's entirely been too long.  :palm:

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #121409 on: June 01, 2022, 05:20:40 pm »
Received today my 3 pack of third party tapes for my Brother label printer. Cool.. I thought.... I thought.

There is an indication on the cassette warning you that before using it, you must turn the yellow gear in the direction indicated.
So I did that, but it just spins and spins... I could turn this gear all day long, how do I know when I should stop ?!  :-//

I shove the cassette into the printer, try to print a label and... fail. Tape comes out, it looks an absolute mess, and somehow the black ribbon/toner comes out as well  :wtf:

I try to print another label... it jams.

OK I am not impressed with cheap cassettes so far  >:(
The OEM one did not ask you to fuck with turning a gear or anything, you just pop the thing into the printer and that's all, it just works FFS...

So since we are on TEA here, and seeing that I had nothing to lose... instead of scrapping that cassette and using the next one in line... I thought hey why not try to crack it open see what we can find... and I found that the black tape had broken. I then remembered a YT video on 12voltsvids channel, where he showed how to fix an old VHS tape that's broken.... simply using some sticky tape !  :scared:  So I did it the same way he did, followed his instructions...
Used some Kapton tape because I had bought a roll a while ago and thought it's about time I use it for something eh.
It worked just fine.. the hard part was yet to come : putting the freaking cassette back together again !!!  :scared:
Oh dear me....
First figure out the ratchet mechanism on one side of the black tape (that yellow gear I was asked to turn...) ... then as I tried putting it together, the ratchet mechanism on the other side of the tape... flew apart. Took a while to figure out how it worked... turns out it can only work / makes sense to you once the two halves of the cassette are brought together. But OK, I figured it. Cool I can close it shut now and give it a try... well, nope. The worst part was still ahead : putting the white sticky ribbon and the transparent one together, aligned / matching perfectly.  :palm:  After 15 minutes trying multiple times, I was about to commit suicide, then thought no it's not worth it. So I tried one last time and somehow it worked  :phew:

Then closed it shut, gave it a try and... SUCCESS !  :D
Can't believe I managed to do open heart surgery to this thing and make it go again.

Then I could print all my labels and I am starting to get fed up cutting them to size... takes time. I don't even have a cutting mat, using a piece of wood instead, left over of my parquet in the bedroom.... Don't even have a stainless steel ruler, using a regular crappy plastic ruler made of rather soft plastic that gets cut just as much as the labels  ::)
Don't even have a proper sharp blade / scalpel, using a small box cutter.
Then I am using a piece of plastic cut to size, 50mm wide, the length of the label, to cut the labels. Plastic was cut from the lid of an ice cream container... reason being it's transparent, so when I apply it over the label, I can still see the label through the plastic, which makes it so much easier to align the text as I want it.  But it's still a painful and slow process. Also, even though I press firmly onto the plastic to keep the label firmly in place... sometimes it still manages to move a little bit as I go to cut it, which means the cut is not perfectly straight or square, which pains me a lot.

So... I am thinking of fabricating some king of tool that would cut the labels in one single motion, easily and square. Just place the label, act on the tool, clean cut in a single stroke, next label please. Maybe with two razor blades in a holder with a little handle, and mounted on a hinge. Maybe a screw to adjust the spacing between the two blades, to cater for different sizes of drawers.

As for how to organize the transistors in the drawer cabinet... eventually decided the following was the best compromise between access time and saving storage space : the labels on the drawer front, bar one exception for the TIP 31/32 transistors, do not mention the part number of all the transistors inside, just impossible, way too many different ones, not enough space on the label of course. So instead the label just indicates a broad category, like : " NPN small signal ", " NPN medium ", " NPN big ". Then I added a second label on the top part of the drawer front, where you can slide a (non-sticky) paper label. So, sharpie hand written label as BD mentioned the other day. I finally succumbed and did just that. The idea is that the printed labels, which take time to do, only indicate the broad category. That is, it's not likely to change... then the paper/ sharpie label, non sticky, easy and fast to remove and redo, can be used to convey more "dynamic" information so to speak. For instance it gives information on what prefix part numbers are stored in the drawer. So it will say "2N" or  " BD & BC " or whatever.
Of course I tried to make them as good as possible, so I bought super thick paper/cards ( "Bristol" Paper we call it here... ) so that the label isn't floppy, looks nice and... stays in place. Regular 80/90gram copy paper doesn't cut it, I tried.

But cutting these labels accurately, again was not that easy... lack of cutting mat and large SS ruler and sharp blade didn't help. It was a chore to do a single A4 card. Ideally I think I will end up buying one day something like this : 



.. but it's freaking expensive. 100 Euros at least for a half decent full A4 one with a proper blade, not a piece of bent sheet metal vaguely sharpened, barely more adequate for the job than a butter knife...

So all my trannystors are now sorted and organized  :phew:
Well, I am sure I will find some more in some box somewhere, but at least now I have an inventory "system" in place, so it's easy to add new components to the stock, and easy to find something.
The idea is to first look on the spreadsheet to see what's available, basic specs are indicated. Then only you go to the cabinet and can quickly find in what drawer it is.   So if I want a 2N2222 say, I just go to the cabinet in the " NPN small " section, then look for the drawer with a sharpy label " 2N ", and there is my drawer. Then within the drawer, the transistors are stored in alphanumerical order, same as the spreadsheet. This way I know what compartment of the drawer I need to look at.
So of course for convenience, there will be a hard copy / print out of the spreadsheet attached to the cabinet, so that's it's handy, all in one place.

OK so now that my inventory system is well in place... I can easily add more to it. Now on my plate : beefy diodes and voltage regulators.... a bucket load of 3 terminal regulators  :palm:


That's all for today.

Can't afford the paper cutting machine whatever it's called, way too expensive and don't want to waste money and be frustrated with a cheap bottom of the barrel unit. Either I buy a good one from the get go, or I don't buy.
However hopefully more realistic money wise, I am hoping to get soon a large cutting mat, A3 or A2 size, as well as a 50cm long, wide SS ruler, and a sharp blade/scalpel. That alone will make my life so much easier and allow me to do a better job.

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #121410 on: June 01, 2022, 05:20:53 pm »
THE BITCH HAD SOME SCREWS LOOSE!

have had this 3466a for maybe 20 years and it always bothered me that it would never zero on the 2 or 20 ohms setting.  (it would only go to around .5 ohm and then bobble around a little)

had been inside a couple of times peeking and tweeking but never found anything wrong........and it seemed to work 100% on all other ranges.

this morning i decided to try again and it hit me.  something sure looks weird about those crimp connectors on the back of the input jacks.  could some ape have been in here before me?  wiggled the wires and the screws were loose!  (not falling off loose.....but enough to move when wiggled).  tightened them a scooch and damn if the low ohms ranges now zero just fine.

maybe spec can tell me if those funky looking crimps are original or the result of someone fucking around?

 
Just checked on mine and yes, those crimps are indeed standard as you see the identical ones in mine, both of mine were nice tight. I like this meter a lot as it has manual zero ohms adjustment as well, so you can compensate for different test leads etc.

 
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #121411 on: June 01, 2022, 05:26:50 pm »


mnem

This is of course of particular interest in audio equipment, especially Hi-Fi gear, where you certainly don't want to introduce any extra noise on the circuit and there is nothing more annoying than having mains hum coming from your speakers.
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #121412 on: June 01, 2022, 05:33:08 pm »
(I think bd knows exactly what I am talking about ...)

Yup. NODE_EXTRA_CA_CERTS  >:(

Also not my circus not my monkeys now  :-DD

only that NODE_EXTRA_CA_CERTS is not working ... neither is the --use-openssl-ca option.
FFS why do we have a trusted ca store in the OS if they are not using it.
Feed them to the fire ants ...

Had exactly the same problem hence the angry face. Handed it to operations and told them it was broken and it was their hat  :-DD

On that I’m hand holding an AWS migration this week. Being paid to do SFA and be around in case of explosions. Life is good  8)
 

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #121413 on: June 01, 2022, 05:33:56 pm »
Soft tissue seems familiar but at least those 3M yellow papers have something in German.

Yep! I like them too for their retro charme.

Notice they say "Eine Sorge weniger"  - it's a common German phrase meaning roughly "one issue less to think about"



Got a surprise care packet from the same fellow, too.

In other news: Last month on the new job revealed it was a "Griff ins Klo" (bad choice).
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #121414 on: June 01, 2022, 06:00:02 pm »
@Vince, not sure why you are having trouble with third party tapes, I use them all the time and have done so for years and have never had any issues whatsoever. I can only assume that the little cardboard wheel locking tab was inserted on the wrong side of the tape. You are only supposed to remove any slack tape that has unravelled during transit. From your description of the event, it would seem that you were actually adding more and more slack which will of course make the black tape separate from the label tape itself.

Only issue I have with Brother labellers is that one of mine needs a new cutter and because of regulations, they are not available in the UK. They are in the USA and after approaching a number of sellers about shipping to the UK, they have all declined stating that cutters are on the prohibited list,  :wtf:
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« Reply #121415 on: June 01, 2022, 06:14:47 pm »
Here's a shot of the 465B complete.
That looks kind of sad now...

I know... it needs to be covered in RGB; hide all that nekkid FR4.  >:D

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #121416 on: June 01, 2022, 06:26:36 pm »
@Vince, not sure why you are having trouble with third party tapes, I use them all the time and have done so for years and have never had any issues whatsoever. I can only assume that the little cardboard wheel locking tab was inserted on the wrong side of the tape. You are only supposed to remove any slack tape that has unravelled during transit. From your description of the event, it would seem that you were actually adding more and more slack which will of course make the black tape separate from the label tape itself.

Yes I probably caused the problem when I was trying to make sense of this warning that I did not expect. I know better now, so I am hoping the remaining two tapes will work just fine. Still does not explain why you have to fuck around with the tape before using it, when my OEM tape did give no warning, required no action from you, no baby sitting... just plug and play.  So these third party tapes still have room for improvement if they want to be taken seriously and strictly identical to the OEM ones. Still, a bit of winding is more than acceptable "work" given the tape is literally 3+ times cheaper than the OEM one.

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Only issue I have with Brother labellers is that one of mine needs a new cutter and because of regulations, they are not available in the UK. They are in the USA and after approaching a number of sellers about shipping to the UK, they have all declined stating that cutters are on the prohibited list,  :wtf:

What a wonderful world we live in.... a kid you can buy a couple assault riffle down the street at the local super market, no questions asked.. but you are forbidden to by a cutter for your printer... I guess the assault riffle is harmless but the printer cutter could be used for a mass murder in a flea market. Luckily there is no shortage of TEA friends in the US to send you a cutter  :phew:


 

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #121417 on: June 01, 2022, 06:27:24 pm »
Remember these:

What would one use these for?


Ummmm... testicular homicide on a whole volleyball team...?


Had to add another tap ;)


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« Reply #121418 on: June 01, 2022, 06:33:41 pm »
I think I am seeing double here, I need to go consult the eye doctor   :o
 
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #121419 on: June 01, 2022, 06:45:24 pm »
Ice-Tea delivered ?
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« Reply #121420 on: June 01, 2022, 06:47:01 pm »
Ice-Tea delivered ?

One of 'em is Ice-Tea indeed. The other one is my reaction to a hint from a fellow poster here.
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #121421 on: June 01, 2022, 06:49:54 pm »
checking the specs

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The current for the 5 A input element can be set as low as 10 mA for measuring extremely small currents in energy-saving equipment.

Wow
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« Reply #121422 on: June 01, 2022, 06:55:03 pm »
checking the specs

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The current for the 5 A input element can be set as low as 10 mA for measuring extremely small currents in energy-saving equipment.

Wow

Even more impressive if you know they've done this (and up to 1MHz bandwith with still low DC offset drift) at 1mV across the shunt resistor (100mOhm for the 5A element, 1mOhm for the 50A element) - the lowest range (1A) on the 50A input is the same voltage (1mV). If you do some comparisons and calculations, you'll note there are less ranges available for the 50A element, this a concession to limited thermal dissipation capabilities of the shunts.

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #121423 on: June 01, 2022, 06:55:31 pm »


The SA on the left, is it running in waterfall mode?
At that time and setting RTSA mode 3d Spectrogram displaying local 2.4GHz WiFi activity.
Changing settings on equipment often to add additional eye candy to pull the punters in.  ;)
I'll get a closeup today.....last day for us.  :phew:

First 2 days were easy and somewhat fruitful but dragging this old arse outta the scratcher this morning has been a deal harder than normal......must be getting old or something......love driving normally but this hour each way in rush hour traffic is a hell of a waste of precious time if not for a good rock station to ease the pain.

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #121424 on: June 01, 2022, 06:58:31 pm »
I am hoping to get soon a large cutting mat, A3 or A2 size, as well as a 50cm long, wide SS ruler, and a sharp blade/scalpel.

Pros have a ruler with a slider bar.
https://www.sprintis.eu/en/Book-binding-supplies/Bookbinding-tools/Rulers/Safety-cutting-ruler-55-cm.html

Used mat is a homogeneous something for public floors.
Not totally hard but still very rugged and can stand the blade for long.

They also use straight blade and keep the cutting angle as small as is practical or needed.
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(plus lesser brands from the work shop of the world)
 
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