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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #99900 on: September 01, 2021, 08:14:10 pm »
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #99901 on: September 01, 2021, 08:15:58 pm »
So BD139 jinxed my HP 3335A. Got it out of the back of the car, pluged it in and just the fan and an UNLOCK light  :-BROKE
So got the very nice 4" thick original manual that came with it and started work. First things first, DC voltages. Ther are 4 main ones +15V, +5V, -15V, -5V. All were low with the 15V at around 8V. The other voltages use the +15 as a reference and were down by the same percentage. So unplugged the power supply output connector and they all came up. With just the mother board and RF modules plugged in the voltage was at 8V.
At first sight the motherboard assembly looks a pain to work on with all the modules on their side. However undoing 3 long screws and the RF out SMA rigid coax allows the whole assembly to be lifted out while still plugged in.
I started pulling RF modules (lots of screws) and having pulled the 8th and last the votages came up. Put a different random one in and the fell again. So any load is killing it. So to power supply PCB. This is not quite so easy to get out and thare are a couple of single wire connectors whose positions need to be noted as ther re several pins they can  go on. There is also mains for the fan on this PCB so don't touch it when plugged in even if off.
So on the PCB we have immediate suspects, 4  Sprague 10uF 50V axial electrolytics. One has an obvious bulged seal. That one read 100nF  :-- Looking at the circuit these are not just bypass or decoupling, they are used in two low current voltage doublers. See circuit. Pin 1 is about 16VAC pins 2 and 3 are + and - 20VDC un-regulated. The transformer and thus these capactors are powered whenever the unit is plugged in. They will have seen many hours of operation.
I replaced them with 4 axial hermetic dry tant's. All is now working.
Surprisingly there are no other small alumnium electrolytics or bead tants in the unit.
Now I've just got to put all the screws back in.......
Still £30 and 4 capacitors is not a bad price for a very tidy 3335A complete with manual, OXCO, all the feet and the proper solid link reference connector  :)
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #99902 on: September 01, 2021, 08:21:41 pm »
Nice score and great work, Robert!   :-+

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #99903 on: September 01, 2021, 08:31:29 pm »
quick and easy fix. Congrats.
 

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #99904 on: September 01, 2021, 08:37:44 pm »
Good job. At least the seller was honest about what was up with it  :-DD

Also still glad I didn’t bag it  :-DD. Enjoy  :-+

Edit: might want to check the soldering on the molex headers as well while you’re in there. Notorious for cracking.
 

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #99905 on: September 01, 2021, 08:45:26 pm »
Quick “35 years time warp” on Tektronix scopes.



I prefer the 475  :popcorn:

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #99906 on: September 01, 2021, 08:50:10 pm »
So this is what happens when you browse late at night on ebay  ::)

Condition unknown, though.

Range 30µV to 316V, 5 Hz to 20 MHz.

And maintentance manual with calibration steps, full schematic and parts list on archive.org. Mostly discrete components and a few ICs that might be available if needed. I already love it, even if I haven't received it yet!

For the record, it's a Racal-Dana 9300B RMS Voltmeter.
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #99907 on: September 01, 2021, 09:06:35 pm »
Oh that’s so going on eBay this weekend  :palm:  :--



DPO is minimum requirement for anything on the market these days IMHO
 
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #99908 on: September 01, 2021, 09:37:57 pm »
Oh that’s so going on eBay this weekend  :palm:  :--

DPO is minimum requirement for anything on the market these days IMHO

Doesn't it have a peak detect mode for that sort of thing?
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #99909 on: September 01, 2021, 09:40:20 pm »
Oh that’s so going on eBay this weekend  :palm:  :--

DPO is minimum requirement for anything on the market these days IMHO

Doesn't it have a peak detect mode for that sort of thing?

It does. Peak detect and averaging (4-128 averages). Considering the vintage (~2015) I expected at least some signal processing going on there like you get on a DS1054Z or SDS1202X-E.

Anyway, point moot. Photos taken for eBay. Need to find a box now.
 
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #99910 on: September 01, 2021, 10:03:15 pm »
OK, here is finished meter with new jacks installed and working. Also are the photos of the old and new jacks and the arrows point to clear signs that these are not new as claimed and even have slight damage via chips etc, thankfully none of these are really visible once installed.

I installed them as these are now like hens teeth and currently there are none available on the evil bay. I do feel peeved as once the shipping and import duty has been paid they nearly cost as much as the entire meter cost me. So, should I just suck it up and get on with it, or should I raise a claim for not as described via eBay?

Tricky... it's clearly not as described, but what if the seller wants you to return it, for a refund..?

Return the one you took out. I'm sick of fuckwits selling used and fucked-up shit on eBay as new or "new other". That part is clearly used; you have no way of knowing how long it will last before it cracks out just like the one it's replacing. |O

Call it the "asshole tax".

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #99911 on: September 01, 2021, 10:21:22 pm »
hookers ?!!!   tsk tsk tsk ...

Do you really want to be going there with med of all people...? We all know his taste in "escort services"...

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #99912 on: September 01, 2021, 10:22:25 pm »
Oh that’s so going on eBay this weekend  :palm:  :--

Considering the vintage (~2015) I expected at least some signal processing going on there like you get on a DS1054Z or SDS1202X-E.

Anyway, point moot. Photos taken for eBay. Need to find a box now.


Is that the little " EDU" version that you recently got for under 100 quid ? Didn't you say of the reasons you got it was because it was possible to mod it for better B/W and/or features ?  Might be good to do it anyway I guess... so you can ask a better price for it ?!

Yes most digital scopes suck, Tek or not Tek... recent or not recent...

That's why I love my old Fluke/Philips PM3394, combined analog + digital, so at the push of a button I can toggle between digital and analog as I see fit. I start in analog and if it can't do what I need then only I switch to digital.  Of course in digital mode it's not a power house but has the basic stuff you want. cursors, the most commonly used automatic measurements, averaging, printer output, GPIB.

Performance is good enough for me : 4 channels at 200MHz, 4 true channels not a "2+2". 4 100% identical channels each with a full set of independent controls.
I love this thing. I fore up the big Tek digital scope ( a TDS544A or TDS694C) only when truly required... ie not very often to be honest ! :-[


So do you intend to buy yet another modern portable Tek scope to replace this one ? But a more capable one of course... do you roughly know what is it that you will be searching for ?
 
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #99913 on: September 01, 2021, 10:29:46 pm »
That's the one. I bought this because someone will definitey pay more for it, not because I want or need it. It was an arbitrage opportunity only. TDS210's which are 20+ years old are changing hands for £160-180 here on a good day. I reckon I can shift this for way more than twice what I paid easily.

My requirements are fairly basic to be honest. I am mostly futzing with RF stuff (HF telemetry beacons) at the moment so the tinySA and nanoVNA are doing service there. 475 is fine for that at the moment. Also only paid 70 quid for that  :-DD

That reminds me: med I may take you up on that offer of a knob for it at some point  :-+
 
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #99914 on: September 01, 2021, 10:34:34 pm »
Oh that’s so going on eBay this weekend  :palm:  :--

Considering the vintage (~2015) I expected at least some signal processing going on there like you get on a DS1054Z or SDS1202X-E.

Anyway, point moot. Photos taken for eBay. Need to find a box now.
Is that the little " EDU" version that you recently got for under 100 quid ? Didn't you say of the reasons you got it was because it was possible to mod it for better B/W and/or features ?  Might be good to do it anyway I guess... so you can ask a better price for it ?!

Yes most digital scopes suck, Tek or not Tek... recent or not recent...

Come on over to the HP side... we have cookies.  >:D

https://www.ebay.com/itm/133114952799?epid=1400702386&hash=item1efe44fc5f:g:79wAAOSw-ZZdL35Y

You guys are a bad influence. I need to buy something.  :-DD

Come on over to the HP side... we have more cookies.  >:D

https://www.ebay.com/itm/133114952799

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #99915 on: September 01, 2021, 11:49:19 pm »
You guys are a bad influence. I need to buy something.  :-DD

How about a nice Keithley 236 SMU? Made in the US of A.

I just picked up a Keithley 236 on ebay for 200$. What I did not notice when making an offer was that shipping it to Poland will cost another 220$... I really hope I can get it working...

The seller still has a few of them left and seems to accept low offers, so if anyone wants to make the same mistake I did here's the link:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/154403517485

Both Khaveer and I offered USD200 and ended up with working 236's. Shipping to Seattle was 50 bucks. The packaging was really top notch from the seller. Looks like they still have > 10 units available. The parts cannon is loaded™ and should arrive on Friday for me (fan, IEC entry module, caps). I may post some gut shots after I get it cleaned up and more fully tested. Triax connectors are on the slow boat...

EDIT:

"H" is missing due to LED multiplexer vs CCD camera scan rate mismatch, as those of you with rack-mount American iron of a certain vintage know.

EDIT EDIT:

Thanks Khaveer for the tip!

Where are my manners?  :palm: How very déclassé.

EDIT EDIT EDIT:

Or how about a "deliberately untested" Keithley nixie-tube desk multimeter for not too much dosh?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/203583714073
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #99916 on: September 01, 2021, 11:49:29 pm »
OK, here is finished meter with new jacks installed and working. Also are the photos of the old and new jacks and the arrows point to clear signs that these are not new as claimed and even have slight damage via chips etc, thankfully none of these are really visible once installed.

I installed them as these are now like hens teeth and currently there are none available on the evil bay. I do feel peeved as once the shipping and import duty has been paid they nearly cost as much as the entire meter cost me. So, should I just suck it up and get on with it, or should I raise a claim for not as described via eBay?

Tricky... it's clearly not as described, but what if the seller wants you to return it, for a refund..?

Return the one you took out. I'm sick of fuckwits selling used and fucked-up shit on eBay as new or "new other". That part is clearly used; you have no way of knowing how long it will last before it cracks out just like the one it's replacing. |O

Call it the "asshole tax".

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No, I couldn't do that, I'm too honest, thats my problem. Besides, I have sent him, through the eBay dispute service, the same photos so lets see what he comes with. With the shipping and the import tax, it cost me $63, almost as much as the complete meter cost me, £57. I only ordered the block because they were the very last ones on the bay and the chances of another 80 series meter popping for sale at a similar price again seems to be very unlikely, even beaten up ones are around double that money. I also managed to flip some audio gear so that almost covered the cost for me, so it was a case of grab it quick before they all disappear.

What makes it worse for me is that at the time, there was also a seller in the states that second hand ones for less money, I went for this seller because it was supposed to be a brand-new item. :palm:
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #99917 on: September 01, 2021, 11:59:03 pm »
Oh that’s so going on eBay this weekend  :palm:  :--

Considering the vintage (~2015) I expected at least some signal processing going on there like you get on a DS1054Z or SDS1202X-E.

Anyway, point moot. Photos taken for eBay. Need to find a box now.

<snip>

Yes most digital scopes suck, Tek or not Tek... recent or not recent...

That's why I love my old Fluke/Philips PM3394, combined analog + digital, so at the push of a button I can toggle between digital and analog as I see fit. I start in analog and if it can't do what I need then only I switch to digital.  Of course in digital mode it's not a power house but has the basic stuff you want. cursors, the most commonly used automatic measurements, averaging, printer output, GPIB.

Performance is good enough for me : 4 channels at 200MHz, 4 true channels not a "2+2". 4 100% identical channels each with a full set of independent controls.
I love this thing. I fore up the big Tek digital scope ( a TDS544A or TDS694C) only when truly required... ie not very often to be honest ! :-[

<snip>

I love my PM3390B for self same reasons, albeit's only 2 channels, its so handy being able to switch instantly between analogue and digital on the same bit of kit. :-+
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #99918 on: September 02, 2021, 12:58:13 am »
This is not the mike you are looking for ...
move on ...

I still think it was a nice choice, especially after my Rode NT2-A.
That I need to fix.... fuuuuu
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #99919 on: September 02, 2021, 01:51:24 am »
As for the switches... why resist...? I bought them cuz I needed 6 of the metal ones to fix that curb-score Samsuck TV; and we both know there's no way in hell the rest of the kit will go unused in any of our labs. For 10 bux, a total no-brainer. :-//
EDIT: I'm bringing this to a new post as it really just made a dog's breakfast of the "cheap switches" conversation, and is actually something that's ON-TOPIC for a change. :-DD

That reminds me... this TV had the weirdest failure mode; I actually meant to post aboot this when it happened, but IRL (and the fact I lost the pics from when I was working on it) got in the way.

After the usual decontamination with shop rags and alcohol, I put the TV in the LR to use as our daily driver, as I've found that usually brings Murphy a-runnin' and is the best way to catch consumer electronics actually fucking up.  :-DD

It worked fine for a few days, then started randomly flicking from input to tuner, then randomly changing channels, or input to input, and argued with me aboot which input I chose when I tried to put it back. Turned out there was crazy noise on the IR sensor signal line, but not on the 5V rail that fed it. Further investigation with my 54645A showed the same noise on the signal line from the front keypad (which shared a ribbon cable with the IR sensor to the uPC), only at higher amplitude. Unplugging the keypad made it go away.

The weird bit was that there were no actives on the keypad; just the tactile switches and pulldown resistors of various values to let the uPC know which button was pressed per the voltage on the line.  :o

I ran out of time at that point due to IRL, so popped the cover on the back and just used the TV for a week with the keypad removed. After confirming the problem gone, I got around to visually inspecting every solder joint and testing every switch/resistor on the board, and they all tested right on. Next diag session I plugged it back in and was getting crazy voltage readings; probing the keys with my scope showed noise which changed just from moving or tapping the board. On a board with zero active components. And shouldn't have any closed circuits. :wtf:

After staring at the fukkin' thing and scratching my head for aboot 10 minutes, I went to visit the porcelain throne (like many of us, I seem to do my best cogitatin' there ;)); during my visit it occurred to me there might be a intermittent short/contact in one or more of the tactile switches.

Went back to it and looked at the switches under a magnifier, and whaddayooknow... the top tin part just pops off. So I opened 'em all up and inspected, expecting to find a bit of dirt or rust inside one. What I found was actually much stranger.

On three of them, the silvering on the contacts had migrated ( I assume from electrolysis) such that it formed a very visible spiderweb of metallic tendrils across the surface of the plastic body (these appear to be made of some filled nylon or resin plastic) of the switch between the contacts. This didn't actually appear to have continuity on the one I removed for testing, but it did have measurable resistance and capacitance if I put the silver-plated dome cup back in place.

Having figured this out, I carefully scraped/cleaned all the switches with alcohol to remove the silver deposits and reassembled the TV with the PCB installed; the noise was gone on both data/signal lines, and it worked flawlessly until aboot a month or two ago, when I bought those switches and just replaced them all.

My best surmise is that moisture in the air promoted the electrolysis/silver deposition due to the constant 5VDC applied; once it got to a certain point the physical structure of the switch became a LC and/or RC oscillator. Now have 2 or 3 of them doing that at the same time and... batshit crazy TV. :o

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I had the very same fault in my Samsung, although it originally manifested itself iin a different way.
After working well for years (I bought it new), for some forgotten reason, I wanted to feed it with the VGA & sound outputs of my laptop.

Just my luck, ----the remote croaked!
"No wuckers"*----------I'll just use the switches on the side of the TV!
I set the switch to "computer" & away I went.

After much happy watching on the big screen (although it showed up how cruddy the VGA resolution was!), I returned the TV to normal service, & initially, all was well, but a problem arose, in that, after a while the bloody thing would return to "computer" input.

Over time, it got worse, & would randomly switch to other modes.
Digging around in the back with the 'scope was inconclusive, but eventually we obtained another remote, so I just unplugged the connection to the side switch, & used that.

*The derivation of this term is probably self explanatory, but if not, I'm not going to explain it on a family friendly forum.

 
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #99920 on: September 02, 2021, 01:52:08 am »
Oh that’s so going on eBay this weekend  :palm:  :--



DPO is minimum requirement for anything on the market these days IMHO

That's what happen when you only have 2.5KS of memory. The average Siglent or Rigol have something like 20MS now.
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #99921 on: September 02, 2021, 02:33:12 am »
That's why I love my old Fluke/Philips PM3394, combined analog + digital, so at the push of a button I can toggle between digital and analog as I see fit. I start in analog and if it can't do what I need then only I switch to digital.  Of course in digital mode it's not a power house but has the basic stuff you want. cursors, the most commonly used automatic measurements, averaging, printer output, GPIB.

Performance is good enough for me : 4 channels at 200MHz, 4 true channels not a "2+2". 4 100% identical channels each with a full set of independent controls.
I love this thing. I fore up the big Tek digital scope ( a TDS544A or TDS694C) only when truly required... ie not very often to be honest ! :-[
The PM3394 has also been my go-to scope for general work for the last 20+ years. I mostly use it in the analog mode and only occasionally switch to digital mode for tricky measurements.

Having a full set of independent controls per channel is what makes it so nice use compared to modern scopes where just about every change in the settings requires you to navigate through multiple menus.
 
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #99922 on: September 02, 2021, 02:37:54 am »
You guys are a bad influence. I need to buy something.  :-DD

I agree.

At the moment, I'm following a bit of local HP kit which is currently within my budget.  I expect it will exceed that by a significant margin, but until that time comes my "acquisition neurons" are moderately calm, focussed on the target in play.


My collection is modest compared to many of you, but it has grown many times over since joining EEVblog.  Even taking into account a number of items gifted, I have spent more on gear over the last 2 years than I have over the rest of my life.


OK .... I can sense the self-satisfaction.  You can all take a bow.
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #99923 on: September 02, 2021, 03:09:20 am »


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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #99924 on: September 02, 2021, 04:58:43 am »
This is not the mike you are looking for ...
move on ...

I still think it was a nice choice, especially after my Rode NT2-A.
That I need to fix.... fuuuuu

The Countryman lavs are pretty nice. Is it terminated in a XLR plug or something less?

If "less", you might need a buffer amp to connect to the Focusrite. I seem to recall that we built the transistor version found here when I had a mad project of close-miking a string section. It actually worked really well, using small very cheap electret capsules. Very good gain before feedback, and only minor eq adjustments required.


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