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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #91700 on: May 30, 2021, 10:41:30 pm »
completed some vintage stuff.

I don't think I've ever seen one with a cover over 10\$\frac{1}{2}\$" NAB reels before, lots with covers over 7" reels, but not with proper 10\$\frac{1}{2}\$" NAB reels.
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #91701 on: May 30, 2021, 10:47:05 pm »
On calipers,
I was using mine today. The Efratom FRK oscillator project is progressing slowly. I was looking at the mounting screws. They need to be longer because there is now the rear panel of the case between the oscillator and heatsink. The screws are pretty small. I looked at the manual and there is a defect right through the screw size. It looks like 2.6mm which is a bit of an odd size. I then looke at the Racal standard the uses the FRK. It calls up M2.5. So I measured the screws in the unit that are probably original. They are clearly M2.5 (mjor dia 2.380 to 2.480) not M2.6 (2.480 to 2.980). However they are loose in the tapped holes in the unit.
Both M2.5 and M2.6 are 0.45mm pitch as standard (0.35 option) so I've ordered some M2.6 cap heads. Usefully they are used on some model helicopters so are available.
I have several sets of calipers from cheap innacurate digital ones just used fror marking out through to 12" Mitutoyo and micromoters, height gauges and slip gauges. The calipers in the photo are my everyday mid-range ones from ARC Eurotrade  costing about £25 Highly recommended, They even do imperial fractions.
https://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Measurement/Calipers/Digital-Calipers-150mm-300mm-6-12

M2.5 is a "preferred size", M2.6 is not. The next up preferred size is M3.0. Why, oh why, would someone pick M2.6 as a size? In terms of any property a screw needs (UTS, clamping force, etc.) they're indistinguishable for all practical purposes. In any sensible table of metric screw sizes you won't even find any entries except for preferred sizes.

My suspicion is that it's them folks deeply wedded to the imperial system, but forced to "go metric" for reasons beyond their personal control. Someone sticks a finger in the air and decides that a screw needs to be "about \$\frac{1}{10}\$". They open up Machinery's Handbook, scan down a table of metric thread sizes and pick, by calculation, the first that's greater than 0.1". It has to be something like that because if you picked a #3 screw (basic size 0.0990" = 2.5146mm) when hunting for the closest metric equivalent you'd come up with M2.5 (basic size 0.0984"), and if you'd picked a #4 (basic size 0.1120" = 2.8448mm) you'd either pick a bastard size of M2.8 or M2.9, or the sensible M3.0.
M2.3/2.6/2.8 was a formerly preferred series. It did not make it into the ISO.
Now anything should be 2.0/2.5/3 and that's it. But they survive longer than intended.
Which is a bitch specially with 2.5 and 2.6, as they can't be kept apart visually.
In this case, you need vernier calipers to sort your screws.
 

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #91702 on: May 30, 2021, 11:44:26 pm »
Road up to Mt Gleason in the San Gabriel mountains of the Los Angeles National Forest for yesterdays ride.  Site of the highest Nike missile instillation (LA-04) from the 1950's until the mid 70's.  Not much left of it now, but it was a fun climb and ride none the less.  Lots of info on the site and historic photos here for those who find this stuff interesting;
http://www.themilitarystandard.com/missile/nike/la-04_photos_1.php

Link to the ride details for those interested in cycling;
https://www.strava.com/activities/5379345857

Last, I searched Youtube for any videos on the HP 4332A LCR meter and found none, so I made one.

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #91703 on: May 30, 2021, 11:53:15 pm »
Road up to Mt Gleason in the San Gabriel mountains of the Los Angeles National Forest for yesterdays ride.  Site of the highest Nike missile instillation (LA-04) from the 1950's until the mid 70's.  Not much left of it now, but it was a fun climb and ride none the less.  Lots of info on the site and historic photos here for those who find this stuff interesting;
http://www.themilitarystandard.com/missile/nike/la-04.php

Link to the ride details for those interested in cycling;
https://www.strava.com/activities/5379345857

Last, I searched Youtube for any videos on the HP 4332A LCR meter and found none, so I made one.



Hey, that 4332A looks familiar! ;)

Well, med is saving my butt thanks to his parts 454. I managed blow up all but one pair of transistors in my 454's horizontal amplifier in a moment of sheer stupidity.  :palm:  |O
 
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #91704 on: May 30, 2021, 11:59:44 pm »

Well, med is saving my butt thanks to his parts 454. I managed blow up all but one pair of transistors in my 454's horizontal amplifier in a moment of sheer stupidity.  :palm:  |O

And when he blows shit up he don't kid around.  :o :o I'll be busy for a while pulling parts.  ;D

I will say no more.  :P :-DD

 
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #91705 on: May 31, 2021, 12:12:58 am »

Well, med is saving my butt thanks to his parts 454. I managed blow up all but one pair of transistors in my 454's horizontal amplifier in a moment of sheer stupidity.  :palm:  |O

And when he blows shit up he don't kid around.  :o :o I'll be busy for a while pulling parts.  ;D

I will say no more.  :P :-DD

GO BIG OR GO HOME!!!!  :-DD
 
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #91706 on: May 31, 2021, 12:57:27 am »
completed some vintage stuff.

Hey!  So have I!

Here is my "PR77"!  A 1/4 track modded 3 /34 and 7 1/2 ips NAB machine.  It WAS a slow speed from the factory, so it was perfect to change to 1/4 track.  Needed heads, bias oscillator, record amp.
Everything else could stay and/or be slightly modded.

Super happy with the result... B77 on steroids.  This is a project that waited 4 years for the right PR99. 
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #91707 on: May 31, 2021, 02:14:13 am »
Well, I experience "slow time" in a car crash too once.

Drove a Citroen Saxo (1.5d). Highway, had been raining a bit, 120kph. Drove along happily, all of a sudden control was just.. gone. Still don't know what happened. Pothole? Debris? Tree branch? Started spinning. Dragged the nose across the mid-road barrier. Sparkles, pirotechnics (airbag, I would guess). All very entertaining when time is slow. I was pretty sure my goose was cooked. Stopped hugging the barrier and though "well, this ain't so bad" after which the barrier on the other side came into view. None of that sliding, kissing, skidding barriers. Close to frontal, this one. Plenty of time for some choice swear words (in my mind at least). The bang was epic, but not as bad as it could have been as I had lost a lot of speed by then.

The cabin was filled with smoke, so I started grabbling for the fire extinguisher. Was only the smoke from the airbag. Turned down the windows, that still worked. Was pretty much off the planet, and for some reason wanted some music. The CD player simply worked. It played, I kid you not, "Road to Hell" by Chris Rea. Cops showed up pretty fast after that.

Side story: at that time my mate was putting together a skitrip with friends. While I was waiting for my dad to pick me up (my body was pretty much just a chain of bruises), he called to confirm if I was still joining. I said "sure" in what I was thinking was a conversational tone. I met my wife on that trip. If I had chickened out, I never would have.

I thought you were going to top it off by saying you then skied into a tree! ;D
 

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #91708 on: May 31, 2021, 02:36:09 am »
On calipers,
I was using mine today. The Efratom FRK oscillator project is progressing slowly. I was looking at the mounting screws. They need to be longer because there is now the rear panel of the case between the oscillator and heatsink. The screws are pretty small. I looked at the manual and there is a defect right through the screw size. It looks like 2.6mm which is a bit of an odd size. I then looke at the Racal standard the uses the FRK. It calls up M2.5. So I measured the screws in the unit that are probably original. They are clearly M2.5 (mjor dia 2.380 to 2.480) not M2.6 (2.480 to 2.980). However they are loose in the tapped holes in the unit.
Both M2.5 and M2.6 are 0.45mm pitch as standard (0.35 option) so I've ordered some M2.6 cap heads. Usefully they are used on some model helicopters so are available.
I have several sets of calipers from cheap innacurate digital ones just used fror marking out through to 12" Mitutoyo and micromoters, height gauges and slip gauges. The calipers in the photo are my everyday mid-range ones from ARC Eurotrade  costing about £25 Highly recommended, They even do imperial fractions.
https://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Measurement/Calipers/Digital-Calipers-150mm-300mm-6-12

M2.5 is a "preferred size", M2.6 is not. The next up preferred size is M3.0. Why, oh why, would someone pick M2.6 as a size? In terms of any property a screw needs (UTS, clamping force, etc.) they're indistinguishable for all practical purposes. In any sensible table of metric screw sizes you won't even find any entries except for preferred sizes.

My suspicion is that it's them folks deeply wedded to the imperial system, but forced to "go metric" for reasons beyond their personal control. Someone sticks a finger in the air and decides that a screw needs to be "about \$\frac{1}{10}\$". They open up Machinery's Handbook, scan down a table of metric thread sizes and pick, by calculation, the first that's greater than 0.1". It has to be something like that because if you picked a #3 screw (basic size 0.0990" = 2.5146mm) when hunting for the closest metric equivalent you'd come up with M2.5 (basic size 0.0984"), and if you'd picked a #4 (basic size 0.1120" = 2.8448mm) you'd either pick a bastard size of M2.8 or M2.9, or the sensible M3.0.
M2.3/2.6/2.8 was a formerly preferred series. It did not make it into the ISO.
Now anything should be 2.0/2.5/3 and that's it. But they survive longer than intended.
Which is a bitch specially with 2.5 and 2.6, as they can't be kept apart visually.
In this case, you need vernier calipers to sort your screws.

That was always a problem with DIN  versus Japanese "metric" screws.
Not only that, but the DIN ones  all had a finer thread pitch.

Is ISO also the culprit for the disappearance of a bunch of really useful DIN coax connectors?

I have a lot of salvaged cables, & a directional coupler, all with "spinner" connectors.

I managed to swap the output connector on the coupler for an "N" but the others were more difficult.
I have one "N", & a couple of "BNC" to spinner adaptors for the ports, so not so bad there, but there are also detectors to sit on those ports, which I'd like to use.
The demodulated outputs from these appear on what we used to call " Siemens coax sockets" in Telecom Australia.

We used these & the audio ones from the same stable extensively back in the day, but now them & the matching plugs are "unobtainium".

I bought two "Siemens" coax "links"  at a hamfest, but they need mods to use as standalone plugs..
 

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #91709 on: May 31, 2021, 04:36:30 am »
Heads on em like mice  ::) VK5 country..... eBay auction: #114830585199

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #91710 on: May 31, 2021, 04:42:56 am »
Something for the POI. Alongside having a problem with old test equipment following me home, I also have a thing for computing instruments. RPN calculators and slide rules, and today we have a super cool and *very* hard to find circular slide rule, made originally around 1961 by our favorite oscilloscope manufacturer. This is the original aluminum one...they made them cheaper later.

 
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #91711 on: May 31, 2021, 04:53:48 am »
Nice 0culus and in such good condition.  :-+
Avid Rabid Hobbyist.
Some stuff seen @ Siglent HQ cannot be shared.
 
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #91712 on: May 31, 2021, 06:16:50 am »
Heads on em like mice  ::) VK5 country..... eBay auction: #114830585199



That's in better shape than my "keeper".
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« Reply #91713 on: May 31, 2021, 06:18:40 am »
Something for the POI. Alongside having a problem with old test equipment following me home, I also have a thing for computing instruments. RPN calculators and slide rules, and today we have a super cool and *very* hard to find circular slide rule, made originally around 1961 by our favorite oscilloscope manufacturer. This is the original aluminum one...they made them cheaper later.

So how come it didn't prevent you from mass carnage?  :P :P :-DD
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« Reply #91714 on: May 31, 2021, 08:05:10 am »
HP 175 'scope near Mancester needs rescuing
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/203478052196?
£40
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« Reply #91715 on: May 31, 2021, 08:58:51 am »
Tek sell up in need of a new Harbor https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/huge-tektronix-oscilloscope-collection-for-sale/?topicseen

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #91716 on: May 31, 2021, 09:23:25 am »
Anybody here in need of some 250MOhm 1% 15kV Caddock resistors? NAWTS, as usual.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/402887007628
https://www.ebay.com/itm/402887007706

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #91717 on: May 31, 2021, 09:38:10 am »
completed some vintage stuff.

I don't think I've ever seen one with a cover over 10\$\frac{1}{2}\$" NAB reels before, lots with covers over 7" reels, but not with proper 10\$\frac{1}{2}\$" NAB reels.

They are rare, but available for a premium.

Paid 170 for this used one which was a bargain. Normally they are at 50% of a B77 ...
 

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« Reply #91718 on: May 31, 2021, 09:53:45 am »
HP 175 'scope near Birmingham needs rescuing
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/203478052196?
£40

Saw that earlier, Wythenshawe is quite a way from Birmingham.  :-DD Hopefully someone will rescue it as I already have three of them, the plug-in is a 1750B (50MC/MHz dual trace) not that you can read that from the two rather crap pictures.
Now if it had something more unusual such as the 1759A plug-in to go with that special CRT I have, or the 1784A recorder plug-in I might have been interested.

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« Reply #91719 on: May 31, 2021, 09:58:17 am »
HP 175 'scope near Birmingham Manchester needs rescuing
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/203478052196?
£40

Saw that earlier, Wythenshawe is quite a way from Birmingham.  :-DD Hopefully someone will rescue it as I already have three of them, the plug-in is a 1750B (50MC/MHz dual trace) not that you can read that from the two rather crap pictures.
Now if it had something more unusual such as the 1759A plug-in to go with that special CRT I have, or the 1784A recorder plug-in I might have been interested.

David

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #91720 on: May 31, 2021, 10:38:20 am »

Am currently bothered by a slightly leaking 3/4" cast iron union coupling in my computer cooling system. It did not leak before, but I had to break it open to fix a broken safety valve. Now, on reassembly, it leaks.
Mac union or a pipe socket ?
Taper or parallel threads ?

Parallel threads require a crush washer or Dowdy seal whereas for taper threads thread tape normally stops any weeps. You can use thread lockers but be sure to get the softest ones available with a 'wicking' rating for sealing threads.

Conical mating surface.  I needed an union to join two pieces of the piping where I could not use a normal threaded coupling. Normal tapered threads are actually quite easy to get water tight using flax (which we prefer here in place of hemp) and compound.

This is the one:



I'l do some tests with tightening it a bit more -- having an 18" adjustable spanner is an excellent argument against threads  :-DD

Also, perhaps a bit lapping compund on the surfaces might help.

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #91721 on: May 31, 2021, 11:03:09 am »
Anybody here in need of some 250MOhm 1% 15kV Caddock resistors? NAWTS, as usual.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/402887007628
https://www.ebay.com/itm/402887007706



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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #91722 on: May 31, 2021, 11:26:42 am »
Heads on em like mice  ::) VK5 country..... eBay auction: #114830585199



Its in nice shape, to bad its only local pickup.
 

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« Reply #91723 on: May 31, 2021, 11:42:24 am »
I cant believe someone threw this in the metal waste bin, from where I rescued it. Thankfully the VFD isnt damaged, quick wipedown and then a rough test > seems to be working.

PS: Except current, fails 600.1 and 600.2

PPS: Well passes all tests now, after cleaning connectors and reseating everything. More tests needed me thinks.
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #91724 on: May 31, 2021, 12:07:43 pm »
I finally got the Agilent E4411B spectrum analyzer flash memory and firmware upgraded after a little pain. If you're interested you can dive into it at this point -

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/repair/agilent-esa-e4401b-memory-(b72)-and-firmware-upgrade/msg3577246/#msg3577246
I applaud your application to the task - a heroic effort - me and firmware etc are not on talking terms! (I am the dumb part🙄)
Well done 👍
Whoah! Watch where that landed we might need it later.
 
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