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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #38350 on: September 06, 2019, 07:38:11 pm »
Edit: I mean the reverse of your statement. Thoses things are mostly sorted out here. We have other problems though :)
Moose don't count.  ::)



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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #38351 on: September 06, 2019, 07:43:36 pm »
The re-cap of the 485 PSU is done. That pile of parts believe it or not represents almost $65 USD.  :phew: Large value tants ain't cheap plus I had to use axial aluminum caps due to height restrictions. They tend to be more expensive than radial caps.

Now to replace the Trigger level/slope control and fire it up.


Is it 29 tants on that board I still count ?  :o
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #38352 on: September 06, 2019, 07:53:45 pm »
is it just my old tired eyeballs......or has a halo appeared over the guy standing in front of the coffee shop?
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #38353 on: September 06, 2019, 07:56:55 pm »

BSPT, UNC, UNF, BA...................

BA is metric. It just does not know it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Association_screw_threads
Nope, not if you read further:

The thread angle is different from that used by Whitworth (55°), US Unified threads (60°) and ISO Metric (60°) so BA fasteners are not properly interchangeable with Whitworth or metric ones even when the pitch and diameter are similar enough that they can be screwed together (e.g., although 0BA appears similar to M6×1mm, the male and female surfaces do not mate properly for bearing a load). Standard BA sizes are defined between 0BA and 22BA. The even sizes are much more common and the very small sizes are not used very often and other standards tend to be used

While M6x1 is very close it's the only size when I look through my thread chart.
Most other threads are 55 or 60o whereas BA is 47.5°
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #38354 on: September 06, 2019, 08:43:00 pm »
The re-cap of the 485 PSU is done. That pile of parts believe it or not represents almost $65 USD.  :phew: Large value tants ain't cheap plus I had to use axial aluminum caps due to height restrictions. They tend to be more expensive than radial caps.

Now to replace the Trigger level/slope control and fire it up.


Is it 29 tants on that board I still count ?  :o

At least, and you should see the other boards.  :palm:

Edit....the yellow tants are new...but yes....still mucho tants.
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #38355 on: September 06, 2019, 08:44:25 pm »
is it just my old tired eyeballs......or has a halo appeared over the guy standing in front of the coffee shop?


Halo? Highly unlikely. Perhaps horns.  :-DD
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #38356 on: September 06, 2019, 08:51:11 pm »
The 485 is back up and running. But didn't at first. I double checked....TRIPLE CHECKED....and STILL managed to install a 10uf/100V backwards.  :palm: But all is well now. Checked the +50V reference and +59.4V reference and dead nuts. All other voltages in spec. Trigger slope switch now works. So that completes the repair/maintenance of this one for now. It's ready to use, abuse, and put away wet.  :P ;D

Sometime in the future this 485 will be used as a cross check analysis to troubleshoot the trigger issue on the other 485.

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #38357 on: September 06, 2019, 08:52:32 pm »
Nice work  :-+
 
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #38358 on: September 06, 2019, 09:21:58 pm »
Great to see, well done.
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #38359 on: September 06, 2019, 09:44:55 pm »
All this fussing, whining, bitching, and moaning over these VFD's.  :P ;D

I have a solution. Get Ruby Red LED's.  :-+ :-DD

(In process of recapping 485 PSU. I'm in deep.  :scared:)


Why would it be a display fault if it only happens in ohms mode. Save your CC and look elsewhere for the problem.

Mostly because it sits in volts mode idling and the individual segments are worn out.


Hmm.... Thats why I don't switch my Flukes on until I'm ready to use them and them switch off again when I've finished, never have agreed with switching them on at the start of the day and off again at the end of the day. Nothing that I'm ever likely to be involved with is going that degree of accuracy that you get if allowed to warm up.  :-+
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #38360 on: September 06, 2019, 09:48:27 pm »

BSPT, UNC, UNF, BA...................

BA is metric. It just does not know it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Association_screw_threads
Nope, not if you read further:

The thread angle is different from that used by Whitworth (55°), US Unified threads (60°) and ISO Metric (60°) so BA fasteners are not properly interchangeable with Whitworth or metric ones even when the pitch and diameter are similar enough that they can be screwed together (e.g., although 0BA appears similar to M6×1mm, the male and female surfaces do not mate properly for bearing a load). Standard BA sizes are defined between 0BA and 22BA. The even sizes are much more common and the very small sizes are not used very often and other standards tend to be used

While M6x1 is very close it's the only size when I look through my thread chart.
Most other threads are 55 or 60o whereas BA is 47.5°

Both Bicycle Thread and BSW (to name a pair of outliers in terms of pitch coarse-ness) are imperial, but they do not mate. So why is it suddenly a requirement that all metric threads of a given major diameter mate? There are, to take a common example, three different pitches on M10, the common coarse being 1,5mm, and then 1,25 and 1 mm also exist.  Thus, the only reasonable definition whether a thread is metric or not is if its dimensions are originally defined in SI units. (or more correctly, their ancestors, since there was no SI system in the late 19th century; metric was governed by C.F. Gauss' CGS system, to be replaced by the MKS system starting in 1889. SI was adopted in 1960. Most people probably didn't care but simply used centimetres etc.)

Of course, one can argue that B.A. thread is not ISO Metric, and that would be true, because there is no ISO standard for B.A, except, perhaps by transition of a British Standard. I can't tell, because ISO is one of those Back-asswards organisations, like IEEE, that want money for standards text. (IETF way being the only sensible way of doing it, IMNSHO), but, the following quote from the B.A. commission No 2 Report sort of sums it up nicely:


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4. The manner in which the series of screws adopted lately by Swiss manufacturers is correlated has been sufficiently explained in the previous report, and very full explanations are given in the two original pamphlets to which reference is there made.² The diameter (D) is related to the pitch (P) by the formula D = 6P6/5, (1) all measurements being in millimetres, and P having successively the values 1 (or 0.90) mm.; 0.9¹ mm.; 0.9² mm.; 0.93 mm .… 0.9n mm.
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/Måns, has a full set of open-jaw spanners and tube box spanners for BA.

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #38361 on: September 06, 2019, 11:00:39 pm »
Both Bicycle Thread and BSW
What is Bicycle Thread ?
Never heard of it ?  :-//
Is it BSF ?

BSF is not common but was widely used decades back for high fastening torque like where you might use metric fine.
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #38362 on: September 06, 2019, 11:13:06 pm »
Just got the hp 34401A (UPS running waaaaaay late today). Got the additional items in the pic.

Will post pics tomorrow but - this thing has to be NOS or something like it that accounts for it's condition.

Has to be!  :o


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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #38363 on: September 07, 2019, 01:33:37 am »
Having bad thoughts at the moment. Keysight fap (stupid name  :palm:) have 34401-66522 front panel/display assemblies in stock. I am slightly irritated by the display on this 34401A in ohms mode. It's perfectly fine but some things are brighter than others and I'm an OCD mentalist. If I spend the money now it'll likely last another decade or two at least. But £££ :scared:



Only thing I hate about ordering parts from Keysight is they take the order then someone random from Spain calls you to take your CC details.

Looks like it spent most of its former life measuring DC current ("ADC"). Interesting.

Well, for fewer buckazoids, you can take a chance on getting a VFD (DIP module) from China. Some have had success. Others have gotten faded segments.
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #38364 on: September 07, 2019, 01:35:59 am »
Yeah it's a big problem too. I'm still trying to find HP knob caps for the 6236B. I secretly was on the fence with the 1740A that it'd be a good source of them if it was a scrapper! Good plan on ebay. You are right - there are some horrible ones out there!

This is the kind of support group we need  :-DD

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #38365 on: September 07, 2019, 01:59:57 am »
So today in my Twitter feed I spotted a oscilloscope make and model I'd not heard of before.  A Kikusui COS5060.

https://twitter.com/SethRolly/status/1169835845383098369

(Not that I am an expert in scope models and should know of all of them...)

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #38366 on: September 07, 2019, 02:12:02 am »



well, I pulled the trigger on an Analogic 2045 polynomial waveform generator that Neomys Sapiens tipped me off to...$125. Appears to be in great shape and it's a capability I lacked. Win win!  :-+
 
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« Reply #38367 on: September 07, 2019, 03:12:46 am »
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #38368 on: September 07, 2019, 03:19:34 am »
So today in my Twitter feed I spotted a oscilloscope make and model I'd not heard of before.  A Kikusui COS5060.

https://twitter.com/SethRolly/status/1169835845383098369

(Not that I am an expert in scope models and should know of all of them...)

Cool. I have a COS5021 from my university days. The focus has gone beyond the limits of the adjustment pot. Just another artifact in ye olde repair queue.
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #38370 on: September 07, 2019, 04:23:56 am »
Using the power of TEA equipment, Lasers and the resulting Caffeine I am calling the filter project about resolved  :popcorn:

$24 AUD stock comes in at under $1 cost plus time for filters and is as good at dropping the smoke out as the stock if not better. Back left is the Custom dual type Carbon after 6 or so roasts, back right is the stock on 3 roasts from new. On the bench is the toasted stock ones.

Curve is stock in faint and mine in bold.

Now how to make a few $ from the TEA usage.......
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #38371 on: September 07, 2019, 04:26:25 am »
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #38372 on: September 07, 2019, 04:26:49 am »
@oculus: I gather you found the user manual or do you still need it?
BTW, I might have another box full of probe accessories coming, maybe there'sanother ground lead with the small thread.

The people at RAF St. Mawgan seem to know something....

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Wasn't there a lucky guy here who got hold of a Philips PM6306 for peanuts?

But the things you see there...drool. Now I want a Sencore LC77 too.  And HP universal sources. And nearly affordable sourcemeters.
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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #38373 on: September 07, 2019, 06:05:54 am »
Both Bicycle Thread and BSW
What is Bicycle Thread ?
Never heard of it ?  :-//
Is it BSF ?

BSF is not common but was widely used decades back for high fastening torque like where you might use metric fine.

No, it is not BSF, because BSF has 55° thread angle like BSW. BSC (the real name is British Standard Cycle, "Bicycle Thread" being colloquial) has 60° like UN and Metric, but is defined in inches. An unusual thing with BSC is that several major diameters share pitch. All major diametres above 1/4" have 26TPI, with some sizes having several pitches recommended.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Standard_Cycle

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Re: Test Equipment Anonymous (TEA) group therapy thread
« Reply #38374 on: September 07, 2019, 08:42:36 am »
Having bad thoughts at the moment. Keysight fap (stupid name  :palm:) have 34401-66522 front panel/display assemblies in stock. I am slightly irritated by the display on this 34401A in ohms mode. It's perfectly fine but some things are brighter than others and I'm an OCD mentalist. If I spend the money now it'll likely last another decade or two at least. But £££ :scared:



Only thing I hate about ordering parts from Keysight is they take the order then someone random from Spain calls you to take your CC details.

Looks like it spent most of its former life measuring DC current ("ADC"). Interesting.

Well, for fewer buckazoids, you can take a chance on getting a VFD (DIP module) from China. Some have had success. Others have gotten faded segments.

Could be right there. The non default HPIB address suggests that it was used in a system. I actually used these DMMs years ago in that situation. Thought nothing of them then as I was mostly interested in getting out of that job  :-DD
 


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