Author Topic: TE Boot up times and Boot cycles # (Read 28933 times)

tautech · « **on:** July 11, 2015, 11:33:22 pm »

How fast does your TE boot?
Siglent would like to know and are running a challenge on their Facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/events/1459442944373148/

ALL BRANDS AND TYPES of TE are invited.

1 winner/month.
The prize will be either a SIGLENT SDS1102CML 100 MHz Digital Oscilloscope or a SDG1025 Arbitrary Function Generator, your choice.

Let's add Power cycles # as Siglent has asked in a below post:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/te-boot-up-times/msg709868/#msg709868

Attempting to grab this with a screen capture failed, so had to resort to the camera.

Think it might be a fun thread idea too.

But how to measure boot time accurately in a manner that is simple/easy for all?

Well I've just used an Iphone stopwatch, not perfect I know, but indicitive.

My SDS2304 300 MHz DSO. (image from online)

Just under 18 seconds.

How fast is yours? How many power cycles?

nctnico · « **Reply #1 on:** July 12, 2015, 12:20:08 am »

This sounds like an old thread topic...
But what is the use? For some equipment like a logic analyser I don't mind it takes a couple of minutes to boot where on the other hand I want a hand-held DMM to be available immediately.

tautech · « **Reply #2 on:** July 12, 2015, 12:47:38 am »

Quote from: nctnico on July 12, 2015, 12:20:08 am

This sounds like an old thread topic...
But what is the use? For some equipment like a logic analyser I don't mind it takes a couple of minutes to boot where on the other hand I want a hand-held DMM to be available immediately.

Yes, I think you're correct, I vaguely remember a past thread now you've mentioned it.

But if you want to get a chance at a free DSO or AWG you need to be in to win on Siglents Facebook page.

miguelvp · « **Reply #3 on:** July 12, 2015, 03:09:07 am »

Rigol DS2072A 17.61 seconds (tried 3 times .61 was the best, .67 was the worst)

Analogs from cold:
Tek 7613 4.73 seconds
Tek 7603 4.60 seconds

From recently turned off:
Tek 7613 3.54 seconds
Tek 7603 2.08 seconds

~~Edit: But I'm not going to enter, seems on the rules it mentions you must have purchased a siglent product.~~

Edit 2: since that's no longer needed I'll enter, and here is the requested picture after boot:
Rigol DS2072A

Tek 7603:

Tek 7613:

Would love to put a picture of the booting time, I captured the times using my Blackberry and it doesn't have a default screen capture, I guess I could install some software but I rather use my phone for phone things.

On all of them I measure the boot up time until I could use the device, meaning that even the analogs I would wait until the traces line up with the reticule (specially on the 7603 because it turns on fast but the traces converge over time so I put the time when they were usable. None of the scopes I have have a boot counter or power counter cycles that I know of.

Tek 5110 time base is busted but it takes 10 seconds to show a trace from cold but it's not really functional.

Siglent · « **Reply #4 on:** July 13, 2015, 12:54:27 pm »

We welcome all eevblogers to take in this activities, reply on this thread is also valid.

miguelvp · « **Reply #5 on:** July 13, 2015, 02:30:47 pm »

Quote from: Siglent on July 13, 2015, 12:54:27 pm

We welcome all eevblogers to take in this activities, reply on this thread is also valid.

Then consider me entered with the above post

tszaboo · « **Reply #6 on:** July 13, 2015, 02:40:01 pm »

Quote from: Siglent on July 13, 2015, 12:54:27 pm

We welcome all eevblogers to take in this activities, reply on this thread is also valid.

That is an excellent choice, as I imagine lot of engineers dont register on Facebook for reasons beyond the scope of this topic (pun intended).
Would you kindly post the rules?
Keysight MSO-X 3054A
00:38:36

marshallh · « **Reply #7 on:** July 13, 2015, 04:55:43 pm »

Lecroy 9374C 1GHz 4x500Msps

00:10.37 seconds

plesa · « **Reply #8 on:** July 13, 2015, 05:53:54 pm »

Quote from: nctnico on July 12, 2015, 12:20:08 am

This sounds like an old thread topic...
But what is the use? For some equipment like a logic analyser I don't mind it takes a couple of minutes to boot where on the other hand I want a hand-held DMM to be available immediately.

Exactly, from my TE the most annoying boot time is on Fluke 289.

Howardlong · « **Reply #9 on:** July 13, 2015, 08:48:37 pm »

Agilent 54642D 2+16ch 500MHz 2GSa/s (54622D is similar boot time). Here it is in glorious 4K.

Turn on at 1.68s, first trace 6.60s, so just under 5s.

On the other side of the coin, Agilent 54831D 4+16ch 600MHz 4GSa/s..... 2 minutes 08 seconds. Windows, you see. Edit: this is with the HD replaced by an SSD too.

McBryce · « **Reply #10 on:** July 13, 2015, 08:57:10 pm »

Leader LBO 552C : <1s !

McBryce.

Howardlong · « **Reply #11 on:** July 13, 2015, 09:15:20 pm »

Quote from: McBryce on July 13, 2015, 08:57:10 pm

Leader LBO 552C : <1s !

McBryce.

Video or it didn't happen!

Slightly more seriously, it's just so counter intuitive that older kit, using tube/valve technology, boots significantly faster than completely solid state technology.

Siglent · « **Reply #12 on:** July 14, 2015, 02:04:00 am »

Guys, I mean the boot up times, not time. all right, time is also ok.
at least attach a picture.

Monkeh · « **Reply #13 on:** July 14, 2015, 02:05:36 am »

Ahh, lost in translation.

The term you're looking for is power cycles. Should pass that along to your translators, too..

miguelvp · « **Reply #14 on:** July 14, 2015, 02:42:15 am »

Updated my post, as far as I know none of my scopes will show the number of power cycles.

rsjsouza · « **Reply #15 on:** July 14, 2015, 02:43:30 am »

Quote from: Monkeh on July 14, 2015, 02:05:36 am

Ahh, lost in translation.

The term you're looking for is power cycles. Should pass that along to your translators, too..

I would be even clearer and say "the number of times you powered up your test equipment". Perhaps is my non-native English speaker bias, but I was as confused with "power cycles" as with "boot times"...

Fsck · « **Reply #16 on:** July 14, 2015, 03:30:32 am »

tektronix 2465, 8s +/-1

rsjsouza · « **Reply #17 on:** July 14, 2015, 11:47:41 am »

Ok, the times I gathered:

Kenwood CS4025 aprox. 6s
https://youtu.be/Qn4itLE7qSE

Rigol DS1102E aprox. 10s
https://youtu.be/JvWeLebPuvI

Rigol DS4014 aprox 24s
https://youtu.be/WtaI8p3_fbc

dadler · « **Reply #18 on:** July 14, 2015, 03:55:02 pm »

I think Siglent is asking for the boot "count", not boot "times". How many times have you power-cycled your equipment...

miguelvp · « **Reply #19 on:** July 14, 2015, 04:20:25 pm »

Quote from: dadler on July 14, 2015, 03:55:02 pm

I think Siglent is asking for the boot "count", not boot "times". How many times have you power-cycled your equipment...

Yes, they did clarify it but also they allow boot time as well.

Quote from: Siglent on July 14, 2015, 02:04:00 am

Guys, I mean the boot up times, not time. all right, time is also ok.
at least attach a picture.

Not all TE has a boot count anyways.

rsjsouza · « **Reply #20 on:** July 14, 2015, 08:05:56 pm »

Quote from: miguelvp on July 14, 2015, 04:20:25 pm

Quote from: dadler on July 14, 2015, 03:55:02 pm
I think Siglent is asking for the boot "count", not boot "times". How many times have you power-cycled your equipment...

Yes, they did clarify it but also they allow boot time as well.

Quote from: Siglent on July 14, 2015, 02:04:00 am
Guys, I mean the boot up times, not time. all right, time is also ok.
at least attach a picture.

Not all TE has a boot count anyways.

Yes; I could not find this on both Rigols above. Perhaps I am missing something, but I really could not find such count.

dadler · « **Reply #21 on:** July 14, 2015, 08:15:57 pm »

I finally found one of my pieces of equipment that has a true "boot count":

You can tell I've used it a lot, a whole 11 power cycles!

I discovered this screen when I updated the Firmware recently (thanks Franky!)

Monkeh · « **Reply #22 on:** July 14, 2015, 08:22:08 pm »

Well, may as well join in. No power cycle counter on these.

tautech · « **Reply #23 on:** July 14, 2015, 08:23:56 pm »

Quote from: rsjsouza on July 14, 2015, 08:05:56 pm

Quote from: miguelvp on July 14, 2015, 04:20:25 pm
Quote from: dadler on July 14, 2015, 03:55:02 pm
I think Siglent is asking for the boot "count", not boot "times". How many times have you power-cycled your equipment...

Yes, they did clarify it but also they allow boot time as well.

Quote from: Siglent on July 14, 2015, 02:04:00 am
Guys, I mean the boot up times, not time. all right, time is also ok.
at least attach a picture.

Not all TE has a boot count anyways.

Yes; I could not find this on both Rigols above. Perhaps I am missing something, but I really could not find such count.

It will be in a Utilitiy or System menu or sub menu.
Likely also displays HW, FW, SN etc

Mr.B · « **Reply #24 on:** July 14, 2015, 08:37:59 pm »

Quote from: dadler on July 14, 2015, 08:15:57 pm

I finally found one of my pieces of equipment that has a true "boot count":

You can tell I've used it a lot, a whole 11 power cycles!

I discovered this screen when I updated the Firmware recently (thanks Franky!)

I purchased 2 off Franky.
Mine are running v2.4.
Where do I get the updated firmware?


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