The current WaveSurfer starts at $11k for the 4Ch 200MHz variant. Based on the price difference between a WaveAce and the original Siglent scope, my guess would be that (assuming the price of roughly $3200 is for the Siglent SDS3102 2Ch 100MHz is correct) the LeCroy variant of that scope will probaby go for roughly $8k (based on the way they upsell their Siglent-made WaveAce/WaveStation). This would mean that the 4Ch 200MHz variant will probably be close to what the current WaveSufer costs, and this IMHO is excessive for a scope like the SDS3000.
Except the cost of a 2-channel, 200 MHz LeCroy version (WaveSurfer 3022) is only $3,200 USD, not $8k. Perhaps that price guess for the SDS3102 was too high?
Still, it's surprising (and unfortunate) that the LeCroy version does not support some protocols (like CAN and LIN), that the Siglent version does. And Siglent offers a lower-priced 100 MHz option, which LeCroy bypassed.
Oddly enough the SDS3000 series is not mentioned on the English version of Siglent's website. Maybe Tautech or RF-loop can elaborate on the availability of these scopes outside China.
The current WaveSurfer starts at $11k for the 4Ch 200MHz variant. Based on the price difference between a WaveAce and the original Siglent scope, my guess would be that (assuming the price of roughly $3200 is for the Siglent SDS3102 2Ch 100MHz is correct) the LeCroy variant of that scope will probaby go for roughly $8k (based on the way they upsell their Siglent-made WaveAce/WaveStation). This would mean that the 4Ch 200MHz variant will probably be close to what the current WaveSufer costs, and this IMHO is excessive for a scope like the SDS3000.
Except the cost of a 2-channel, 200 MHz LeCroy version (WaveSurfer 3022) is only $3,200 USD, not $8k. Perhaps that price guess for the SDS3102 was too high?
No shit, Sherlock? But you *are* aware that I wrote that was four months ago when the LeCroy variant wasn't even announced, right???![]()
Although I agree that the pricing is a pleasant surprise. It seems that LeCroy learnt their lesson from the WaveAce. For that price it certainly looks like a very nice scope.
Considering the functionaliy these scopes offer, and the surprisingly reasonable price for the LeCroy variant, I'm not sure there would be any dramatic savings when going with the Siglent version.
And (most important): the LeCroy variant is in black!!!
I don't understand the animosity in your response. I wasn't criticizing you in any way for an old price estimate. Just letting folks know the actual price turned out to be significantly more reasonable. What side of the bed did you get up from this morning?
QuoteAlthough I agree that the pricing is a pleasant surprise. It seems that LeCroy learnt their lesson from the WaveAce. For that price it certainly looks like a very nice scope.
You're very welcome. And I agree.
Oddly enough the SDS3000 series is not mentioned on the English version of Siglent's website. Maybe Tautech or RF-loop can elaborate on the availability of these scopes outside China.
QuoteI also wonder how LeCroy will prevent the Siglent variant (which is supposed to be sold in China only) to find its way to Europe and the US, which means lost sales
Exactly what I have asked Siglent.
The Chinese market will be more profitable per unit than sales to LeCroy so we may well see some units "migrate" to the west.
Though it may not be dramatic, it might still not be insignificant. I didn't have access to the pricing info for the SDS3000 you were using way back when, but I do recall seeing somewhere on their site since then a banner with about 21,000 Yuan Renminbi ($3,400) listed. And I was unsure if that applied to the 4-channel, 500 MHz (?) version they were showing, or the base-model (I can't read Chinese). If the former, that's equivalent to the WaveSurfer 3054, at almost 7-grand.
Also of some interest, though Siglent was touting reaching the 1 GHz BW milestone, LeCroy offers nothing beyond 500 MHz. [Probably because that starts to encroach on their higher-priced models.]
I'm pretty sure the price is for the 2Ch 100MHz variant (SDS3102). Even Siglent can't offer a 500MHz 4Ch scope with these specs for that price, especially not when they have to license the software.
And $3400 for the 100MHz variant isn't really cheap when the 2Ch 200MHz LeCroy version is in the same ballpark. In black, and with LeCroy's support behind.
Why guess? Just go to TaoBao and you can see the prices being offered for these scopes in China. The 500M 4 channel seems is listed at about 65k RMB. I don't know what negotiation might do to that price.
I don't think there's any money to save by importing the Siglent versions.
As expected, LeCroy Wavejet Touch is a rebadged DS-5600 Iwatsu scope from Japan.
http://www.iti.iwatsu.co.jp/en/products/ds/ds5600/ds5600_top_e.html
I wonder what the waveform update rate is. And it is weird to have a 500MHz scope with only 1GSa/s per each channel. Come on, it iy 2014 year now.
The 640×480 VGA display is also rather poor. It should be wide screen, as is common on many tektronix and Agilent scopes nowadays.
Oddly enough the SDS3000 series is not mentioned on the English version of Siglent's website. Maybe Tautech or RF-loop can elaborate on the availability of these scopes outside China.
Nothing has changed that I am aware of re SDS3000 series for western markets.
LeCroy has an agreement with Siglent for western markets AFAIK.QuoteI also wonder how LeCroy will prevent the Siglent variant (which is supposed to be sold in China only) to find its way to Europe and the US, which means lost sales
Exactly what I have asked Siglent.
The Chinese market will be more profitable per unit than sales to LeCroy so we may well see some units "migrate" to the west.
There are I believe new top end ( for Siglent) models in development, but how far advanced and close to release, I am not sure.
Hopefully I will get a glimpse at these when I visit Siglent next month.