Siglent's new product- MSO/SDS2000 Series

[marmad]

I don't think so, siglent has sold SDS2000 series in China several month ago...

Sorry, but there is absolutely no hard evidence of this around - just some internet ads and rumors (started by people affiliated with Siglent).

If it's true, please post a link to a Chinese webpage which reviews or discusses the functioning of the DSO (not an advert).

[rf-loop]

I don't think so, siglent has sold SDS2000 series in China several month ago, maybe there are some troubles to sell this one in USA and Europe. So we just need to wait and hope will get a great and high rate of quantity and price scope.

How many really sold  SDS2000 you know in China (so that buyer also have it)?
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Also it need note that example before it can sell in EU area there need be (least) CE-EMC certificate, CE-LVD certificate
And of course behind these certificates there need be full independent authorized laboratory CE-EMC study reports and CE-LVD study reports. They are not "easy work".


Example, for SD5000 series AWG, LVD inspection report is 74 pages with detailed document pictures and full set of test/measurement data and methods. (authorized independent test lab made)

Same equipment EMC inspection report is 52 pages including details and documents with pictures how measurements / tests have made. (authorized independent test lab made)

These are not "easy print and sign" documents.

I have not yet seen SDS2000 series full  documents for EU. (perhaps there is but I have not yet seen)

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I have (I get it time ago) new FW for SDS2304 but  I have not yet tested it due to extremely urgent  other project what is now absolutely highest (emergency level) priority without any exceptions -- including sleeping...)
(also SDS2304 is still fully disassembled for study and documenting but I have not time for this now and it is in waiting state)
 

[tautech]

Thank you for the update rf-loop.
I have also received new firmware and will post any significant findings.

[kebogen]

I don't think so, siglent has sold SDS2000 series in China several month ago...

Sorry, but there is absolutely no hard evidence of this around - just some internet ads and rumors (started by people affiliated with Siglent).

If it's true, please post a link to a Chinese webpage which reviews or discusses the functioning of the DSO (not an advert).

Don't need to be sorry, we are just talking about this thing, I'm a fresh man here, I focus on siglent SDS2000 series by this post, many thanks to your guys for sharing lots of knowledge and information about the SDS2000 ,before this I just used SDG1050 function generator from siglent, that's really nice, so I have a crush on then.
About the SDS2000,  I had seen the packing box on a Chinese forum, and he showed many pictures about SDS1102, so I think siglent have sold SDS2000 in China, but I don't know the number.
LINK: http://www.amobbs.com/thread-5565372-1-1.html

[Terry]

I made a simply test about HISTORY function on my SDS2102, software version 1.1.1.26.2, hardware version 2-2.
Time Base    Re-arm time
1ns                   123us
2ns                   60us
5ns                   32us
10ns             24us
20ns            28us
50ns                  9us
100ns          17us
200ns          33us
500ns          59us
1us                 118us
2us                220us
5us                526us

Hi Herman, can we get the death time of the scope from this?
If there are 10 div on horizontal display, when the time base is 1ns, the death time is 123us/(1ns*10+123us)=99.9919%
2ns             60us/(2ns*10+60us)=99.9667%
5ns             32us/(5ns*10+32us)=99.8440%
10ns           24us/(10ns*10+24us)=99.5851%
20ns            28us/(20ns*10+28us)=99.2908%
50ns           9us/(50ns*10+9us)=94.7368%
100ns         17us/(100ns*10+17us)=94.4444%
200ns         33us/(200ns*10+33us)=94.2857%
500ns          59us/(500ns*10+59us)=92.1875%
1us              118us/(1us*10+118us)=92.1875%
2us               220us/(2us*10+220)=91.6666%
5us                526us/(5us*10+526)=91.3194%
It shows that the SDS2102 has the shortest death time at 5us time base, not 50ns? Or just in History mode?

[enclis]

I've tried to be patient and read all the 24 pages of the thread. But I still don't understand: is Siglent SDS2000 series better than Rigol DS2000/DS2000A series in waveform update rate? Is Siglent SDS2000 series better than Rigol DS4000 series in waveform update rate?

By the way, here in Russia there is company named "AKIP", who loves to put her name on foreign test equipment. From February they have started to sell SDS2000 as AKIP-4126 series. Price ranges from 34356 RUB (979$) to 109100 RUB (3109$).

[Hydrawerk]

Today they are newly in stock. But not many people have bought the SDS2000 already... http://www.siglent.eu/oscilloscopes/sds-2000-series.html
Remember that this is the very first Digital Phosphor Oscilloscope ever made by Siglent, while Rigol makes DPOs since 2010 or so...

[marmad]

About the SDS2000,  I had seen the packing box on a Chinese forum, and he showed many pictures about SDS1102, so I think siglent have sold SDS2000 in China, but I don't know the number.

We know that Siglent has shipped some of the SDS2000s to employees/dealers, because they have posted in this forum - so there must be packing boxes, etc.. We also know that the firmware is incomplete, so I seriously doubt that they have sold any to customers.

[Mark_O]

I still don't understand: is Siglent SDS2000 series is better than Rigol DS2000/DS2000A series in waveform update rate? Is Siglent SDS2000 series is better than Rigol DS4000 series in waveform update rate?

First off, we don't actually know if these even exist yet, outside of a handful of pre-production prototypes.  Perhaps this has changed in the last week, and they do now.  Perhaps not.  I see, as Hydrawerk pointed out, that they're now accepting orders on their EU website. 

However, that doesn't prove they're actually shipping.  And not a single customer has ever posted here that they bought one.  Even if they had, there are serious questions how well it would work, since the firmware is not yet feature complete.  Siglent may decide to ship something 'half-baked', and upgrade it later in the field with firmware updates. 

It's obvious they're desperate to stop losing sales to the competition, since Rigol is selling to hobbyists at a very brisk pace.  Every one of those is likely a permanently lost sales opportunity.  So they've jumped the gun with their product announcements ('Released and Shipping' last November...  not so much) in an attempt to stem the bleeding.  The main goal is to keep people waiting, and stop them from buying something else.  If you were anxiously waiting last summer/fall for these to ship in November as announced, then you were sadly disappointed.  And still waiting, 4 months later.

There's really no way to know when these will actually be delivered, or when they will be feature complete, or when Siglent will finally have everything working, mostly bug-free.  The first may be within a month or two.  The second sometime this summer.  The later this fall/winter.  But perhaps even that is optimistic, and it could be next Spring (a year from now) before these are solid/reliable instruments, at the same functional level as existing DPO's that have several years head-start.  [NB: to be clear, that's not a bash on Siglent... it takes time to get up to speed on this tech, and they've just started.]  Every company is tempted to ship products before they're ready for prime-time, and Siglent has demonstrated in the past that they're willing to do so.  Ship it now, patch it later.

With that out of the way , the answers to your questions are: a) yes, and b) no.  Hopefully, that is not your only criteria. 


The main interest in these for me, and the reason I'm following this thread, is that some day they will have a device in a similar price/performance/functionality class as the Rigol DS2000-series, but with 4-channels.  That's a gaping hole in the Rigol lineup that's begging to be filled, and Siglent may have a chance to win market-share there.  For some of us who need/want a 4-channel DSO, the Rigol 1000Z is baby-bear, and the DS4000 is poppa-bear.  We need something in-between, that's 'just right'.   

[tautech]

First off, we don't actually know if these even exist yet, outside of a handful of pre-production prototypes.  Perhaps this has changed in the last week, and they do now.  Perhaps not.  I see, as Hydrawerk pointed out, that they're now accepting orders on their EU website. 

However, that doesn't prove they're actually shipping.  And not a single customer has ever posted here that they bought one.  Even if they had, there are serious questions how well it would work, since the firmware is not yet feature complete.  Siglent may decide to ship something 'half-baked', and upgrade it later in the field with firmware updates. 

It's obvious they're desperate to stop losing sales to the competition, since Rigol is selling to hobbyists at a very brisk pace.  Every one of those is likely a permanently lost sales opportunity.  So they've jumped the gun with their product announcements ('Released and Shipping' last November...  not so much) in an attempt to stem the bleeding.  The main goal is to keep people waiting, and stop them from buying something else.  If you were anxiously waiting last summer/fall for these to ship in November as announced, then you were sadly disappointed.  And still waiting, 4 months later.

There's really no way to know when these will actually be delivered, or when they will be feature complete, or when Siglent will finally have everything working, mostly bug-free.  The first may be within a month or two.  The second sometime this summer.  The later this fall/winter.  But perhaps even that is optimistic, and it could be next Spring (a year from now) before these are solid/reliable instruments, at the same functional level as existing DPO's that have several years head-start.  [NB: to be clear, that's not a bash on Siglent... it takes time to get up to speed on this tech, and they've just started.]  Every company is tempted to ship products before they're ready for prime-time, and Siglent has demonstrated in the past that they're willing to do so.  Ship it now, patch it later.

Well I invite you all to check out the "about us" on the EU website....a re-seller like myself!
Not knocking them, just pointing out the fact.
And in same position as me....no stock!

But... SDS2000 series is just a few weeks from shipping, retail packaging was ready when I got my Demo before Xmas, Software has been sent out and being tested, we are on 2nd firmware version in my unit and the Manual is nearly finished.
Now at this point Siglent is probably gearing up production and stock, ready for the stampede of  All of your orders. 

[nctnico]

The main interest in these for me, and the reason I'm following this thread, is that some day they will have a device in a similar price/performance/functionality class as the Rigol DS2000-series, but with 4-channels.  That's a gaping hole in the Rigol lineup that's begging to be filled, and Siglent may have a chance to win market-share there.  For some of us who need/want a 4-channel DSO, the Rigol 1000Z is baby-bear, and the DS4000 is poppa-bear.  We need something in-between, that's 'just right'.   

I agree. I looked at the SDS2000 series yesterday and the 200MHz version looks very nice. The thing for me is that it seems all channels are sampled at 2GS/s and the sampling rate doesn't depend on the number of channels enabled like in the Rigol 1000Z (and my 20 year old TDS744A). I was planning in getting a Rigol 1000Z but I think I'll wait a bit for the SDS2000.

[kebogen]

Hi Herman, can we get the death time of the scope from this?
If there are 10 div on horizontal display, when the time base is 1ns, the death time is 123us/(1ns*10+123us)=99.9919%
2ns             60us/(2ns*10+60us)=99.9667%
5ns             32us/(5ns*10+32us)=99.8440%
10ns           24us/(10ns*10+24us)=99.5851%
20ns            28us/(20ns*10+28us)=99.2908%
50ns           9us/(50ns*10+9us)=94.7368%
100ns         17us/(100ns*10+17us)=94.4444%
200ns         33us/(200ns*10+33us)=94.2857%
500ns          59us/(500ns*10+59us)=92.1875%
1us              118us/(1us*10+118us)=92.1875%
2us               220us/(2us*10+220)=91.6666%
5us                526us/(5us*10+526)=91.3194%
It shows that the SDS2102 has the shortest death time at 5us time base, not 50ns? Or just in History mode?
[/quote]
Yes, I agree with you, the death time connects to time base and sampling rate, from this thread I got that SDS2000 series has highest sampling rate at 50ns time base, but not the shortest death time. So the shortest death time about SDS2000 need to be tested on different mode. From your datum I think just in History mode, not normal mode or sequence mode. There is nothing details about Siglent sequence tech on SDS2000, but I find something about that on teledyne lecory website, on sequence mode there will be more high sampling rate and shorter death time. I am just looking forward to the SDS2000 on sale.

[tautech]

Fellow bloggers, Siglent have just put online a new page for SDS2000.
http://www.siglent.com/2014-2-4.html

Release not confirmed yet, we will just have to be patient.

[EEVblog]

Fellow bloggers, Siglent have just put online a new page for SDS2000.
http://www.siglent.com/2014-2-4.html
Release not confirmed yet, we will just have to be patient.

I just got a spam email about it.

[tautech]

Fellow bloggers, Siglent have just put online a new page for SDS2000.
http://www.siglent.com/2014-2-4.html
Release not confirmed yet, we will just have to be patient.

I just got a spam email about it.

Well I can now inform all that is not spam and http://www.siglent.com/2014-2-4.html announces release.

Siglent say they can supply me immediately, so I await your orders. (grin)

[nctnico]

I hope someone can do a hands-on review quickly. Especially compared to Rigol's DS1000Z series (which seems to have some severe drawbacks).

[Fsck]

*Super* Phosphor Oscilloscope!

[nctnico]

Give the Chinese a break. Just be happy they didn't call it 'number 15 with probes'. 

[tautech]

Give the Chinese a break. Just be happy they didn't call it 'number 15 with probes'. 

I think they are well past #15. The latest Firmware is 26.2

[pickle9000]

Siglent does seem to be trying hard.

[rf-loop]

I looked at the SDS2000 series yesterday and the 200MHz version looks very nice. The thing for me is that it seems all channels are sampled at 2GS/s and the sampling rate doesn't depend on the number of channels

No, if we talk 4 channel models. It is also previously explained in this thread as also many other things.

1 channel on. 2GSa/s
2 channel on 2GSa both if these are selected from separate groups. Groups are (CH1+CH2)  and (CH3+CH4.)
If selected CH1 and CH2 both have 1GSa/s or if selected CH3 and CH4 both have 1GSa/s if selected CH1,2,3 all have 1GSa/s. If selected CH1,2,3,4 all have 1GSa/s. If seleccted CH1 and CH3 both have 2GSa/s etc.

[nctnico]

I can't find a manual or proper spec sheet on Siglent's website though...

[Mark_O]

I can't find a manual or proper spec sheet on Siglent's website though...

That's true.  No User Manual, or SCPI Programming Guide seem to be available yet. 

If you follow their Spec tab (which shows just a short summary), and click on the link to the detailed specs, you get a 404 File Not Found Error.

Luckily, rf-loop was kind enough to make the English version of the detailed Spec Sheet available some time ago.  He posted here.

[tautech]

I can't find a manual or proper spec sheet on Siglent's website though...

I have a draft copy of the User Manual, but it is not ready for release.
Some grammatical errors and omissions...... helping Siglent edit as time allows....wished I'd paid more attention in English at school!

Nice color images throughout, however a few yet to be added.

I haven't browsed it all yet(4 Mb), but I would guess it should only be days until finished.

EDIT
SDS2000 series Datasheet: http://www.siglent.com/DataSheet/EN/SDS2000_DataSheet_EN.pdf

[tautech]

Latest snippet of information:
Siglent SDS2000 series will come with options enabled for 30 start cycles for user appraisal.
After 30 power cycles the user will have to purchase options.