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Re: Siglent's new product- MSO/SDS2000 Series
« Reply #75 on: November 07, 2013, 10:35:46 am »
@ Siglent.
Please could you provide us tables similar to these, for the SDS2000 series:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent%27s-new-product-msosds2000-series/msg319709/#msg319709

Thanks.

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Re: Siglent's new product- MSO/SDS2000 Series
« Reply #76 on: November 07, 2013, 10:39:18 am »
Siglent MSO/SDS2000 series oscilloscope are using the TI ADC08D1020 chip.
ADC08D1020: 8bit Dual 1GSa/s or Single 2GSa/s A/D Converter
That board looks good.  :-+
As it should be, the manufacturer giving the face directly. I like it, I hope that the other manufacturers take note.

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can't wait for the review, and we'll see if rigol has a product in response
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Re: Siglent's new product- MSO/SDS2000 Series
« Reply #77 on: November 07, 2013, 10:56:13 am »
I think that Siglent SDS2000 will be soon sold as LeCroy...  8) 8)
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Re: Siglent's new product- MSO/SDS2000 Series
« Reply #78 on: November 12, 2013, 06:27:21 am »
@ Siglent.
Please could you provide us tables similar to these, for the SDS2000 series:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent%27s-new-product-msosds2000-series/msg319709/#msg319709

Thanks.
here I got a table of Siglent SDS2000 "PK" Rigol DS2000 and I'm not responsible for it.
 

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Re: Siglent's new product- MSO/SDS2000 Series
« Reply #79 on: November 12, 2013, 08:21:21 am »
It is pity they did not give detailed information what was exactly test set up (signal, measuring method - whole detailed test description  so that it can repeat exatly in other lab than siglent's own)
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Re: Siglent's new product- MSO/SDS2000 Series
« Reply #80 on: November 12, 2013, 02:50:33 pm »
here I got a table of Siglent SDS2000 "PK" Rigol DS2000 and I'm not responsible for it.
Thank you very much! Very good results.  :-+
Now (in its category) Rigol has a competitor.
Where did you get the tables?



Only for same sample size and compared with RIGOL (average):
  - Single channel  wfm/s x5
  - Dual channel    wfm/s  x15        WOOOOOW

Code: [Select]
      Sigle   Dual

2ns   0.31   
5ns   1.86    2.33
10ns  2.55    5.76
20ns  0.37    6.92
50ns  4.24    4.72
100ns 3.16    12.09
200ns 4.98    13.37
500ns 7.84    34.50
1us   7.70    19.66
2us   14.68   17.87
5us   9.90    17.15
10us  6.10    17.10
20us  6.26    17.82
50us  3.76    19.12
100us 4       19.70
200us 4.12    21.12
500us 4       11.25

aver.: x5      x15
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Re: Siglent's new product- MSO/SDS2000 Series
« Reply #81 on: November 12, 2013, 03:20:03 pm »
here I got a table of Siglent SDS2000 "PK" Rigol DS2000 and I'm not responsible for it.
While I'm 'honored' that Siglent has copied and pasted my Rigol waveform rate measurements, there are a few oddities/problems that should be pointed out about these "comparison" tables:

1) So Siglent is claiming that their DSO gets faster when sampling and displaying two channels instead of one? This seems very strange to me since I've never come across an electronic device that speeds up when doing more work. I'm not saying it's not in the realm of possibility - but it's rather bizarre.

2) It's rather silly for Siglent to stress (using bold type) that it has more memory (for faster sampling rates). The Rigol DS2000 series has 56M built in - and since a key generator has been posted for the Rigol, currently ANY owner (or prospective owner) of the DS2000 can have 56M for free. So a more accurate comparison of possible sampling speeds would be THIS table:



3) Lastly, the waveform speed comparisons at slower time base settings with large sample lengths seems dubious. With the Rigol, when you set the memory depth to 14M, you are, in fact, getting 14M with every waveform capture (which you can see when capturing time-stamped segments). It's a trade-off of capture speed versus deeper memory which you can note when comparing the wfrm/s rates with different sample depths.

So, for example, @ the 500us time base setting:
Agilent 2000X      = 170 wfrm/s (w/reduced sample size/sample rate)
Rigol DS2000       = 140 wfrm/s (w/14k sample size and reduced sample rate)
Rigol DS2000       = 39 wfrm/s (w/14M sample size and full rate)
Siglent SDS2000  = 135 wfrm/s (w/14M sample size and full rate)??

So I'm having a difficult time believing that the Siglent has a blind time of ~5% while capturing 14M 135 times a second. So I suspect they are limiting the actual sample size captured by the screen display (at least until the DSO is stopped).
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Re: Siglent's new product- MSO/SDS2000 Series
« Reply #82 on: November 12, 2013, 03:44:42 pm »
Word is I'll be getting a 2000 series Siglent soon...
Maybe Dave can clarify all.
For right now, I want to believe on these results.
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Re: Siglent's new product- MSO/SDS2000 Series
« Reply #83 on: November 12, 2013, 08:25:22 pm »

What is sample size 14?? Is it 14 points or what? Look at timebase 1ns.
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Re: Siglent's new product- MSO/SDS2000 Series
« Reply #84 on: November 12, 2013, 08:47:59 pm »
What is sample size 14?? Is it 14 points or what? Look at timebase 1ns.
At 1Gas/s -> 1ns -> One screen (with 14 poins). Or a point per div.
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Re: Siglent's new product- MSO/SDS2000 Series
« Reply #85 on: November 13, 2013, 05:02:54 am »

What is sample size 14?? Is it 14 points or what? Look at timebase 1ns.

Using real time 1ns/div with GW isntek GDS2000A there is 10 sample points on display area.
1GSa/s means 1 sample in every one ns. Now if display have 10 div... or if display have 14 div.
This is basic fundamental independent of manufacturer name. In state of art Rohde@Schwarz  1GSa/s is 1 sample per nanosecond and in cheapest SabKuchBiktaHai 1GSa/s is one sample per nanosecond.

Second basic fundamental is that  waveform update rate per second mean captured and displayed waveforms per second (ref Agilent AppNote 5989-7885) What ever there is trigger out frequency or mains plug frequency it do not matter. Only what really matter is how many captured waveforms per second it display. (of course if really know that it also draw on display one waveform per one trig out pulse then it is same as trig ot)
If display is 10div wide and if scale is 1ns/div there is 10ns horizontal time and with 1GSa/s there is 10 sampled points per captured and displayed waveform.

Btw, I have heard long time ago that 1x14 = 14. But well, I hope I remember right. |\|
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Re: Siglent's new product- MSO/SDS2000 Series
« Reply #86 on: November 14, 2013, 07:07:17 am »
It is pity they did not give detailed information what was exactly test set up (signal, measuring method - whole detailed test description  so that it can repeat exatly in other lab than siglent's own)
I got more interesting things - some .gif animations. Since SDS2000 has trigger out channel, I think it must be easy to test the waveform capture rate.

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Re: Siglent's new product- MSO/SDS2000 Series
« Reply #87 on: November 14, 2013, 08:30:50 am »
I got more interesting things - some .gif animations. Since SDS2000 has trigger out channel, I think it must be easy to test the waveform capture rate.
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Re: Siglent's new product- MSO/SDS2000 Series
« Reply #88 on: November 14, 2013, 09:06:06 am »
shit, just see it at http://sdrv.ms/1ic0j3J
 

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Re: Siglent's new product- MSO/SDS2000 Series
« Reply #89 on: November 14, 2013, 12:59:34 pm »
@ Herman

Thank you very much! Is amazing!
I know that SIGLENT specifies the noise level, but can you show us some pictures?





On the previous images of the Rigol oscilloscope someone has removed the sticker, that's weird...

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Re: Siglent's new product- MSO/SDS2000 Series
« Reply #90 on: November 15, 2013, 08:41:20 am »
Price list: http://www.siglent.eu/oscilloscopes/sds-2000-series.html



Anyone know if it comes with all options enabled temporarily? As demo.



FPGA RIGOL DS2000:



FPGA SIGLENT SDS2000:

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Re: Siglent's new product- MSO/SDS2000 Series
« Reply #91 on: November 27, 2013, 01:17:42 am »
@Carrington
I have record some pictures of the noise like this ,maybe it will do some help.
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Re: Siglent's new product- MSO/SDS2000 Series
« Reply #92 on: November 27, 2013, 01:31:54 am »
looks good indeed (i've checked here http://sdrv.ms/1ic0j3J )

Herman, any chance to tell me how the signal will get displayed when the waveform amplitude is higher that the 8DIV?

Rigol, like Agilent, is displaying then line (so in principle cropped "wave"), like here



Is Siglent doing the same as Rigol/Agilent or displaying nothing, like e.g. Tektronix does on such condition?
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Re: Siglent's new product- MSO/SDS2000 Series
« Reply #93 on: November 27, 2013, 01:39:08 am »
@Carrington
I have record some pictures of the noise like this ,maybe it will do some help.
Good results! I like.  :-+
Thank for show it.

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Re: Siglent's new product- MSO/SDS2000 Series
« Reply #94 on: November 27, 2013, 01:44:24 am »
Is Siglent doing the same as Rigol/Agilent or displaying nothing, like e.g. Tektronix does on such condition?
Upps. I didn't noticed that!
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Re: Siglent's new product- MSO/SDS2000 Series
« Reply #95 on: November 27, 2013, 02:25:35 am »
Oh,I think SIGLENT is different
looks good indeed (i've checked here http://sdrv.ms/1ic0j3J )

Herman, any chance to tell me how the signal will get displayed when the waveform amplitude is higher that the 8DIV?

Rigol, like Agilent, is displaying then line (so in principle cropped "wave"), like here



Is Siglent doing the same as Rigol/Agilent or displaying nothing, like e.g. Tektronix does on such condition?
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Re: Siglent's new product- MSO/SDS2000 Series
« Reply #96 on: November 27, 2013, 03:56:29 am »
@Herman

sorry your image did not load correctly but is ok now.  |O

and displayed as it should!

Have you the ref (0V) off the display?
Tinhead had a different setup, please check.
Waveform larger than display and displayed as clipped, cropped, attenuated etc
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Re: Siglent's new product- MSO/SDS2000 Series
« Reply #97 on: November 27, 2013, 06:14:47 am »
@Carrington
I have retested the noise according the datasheet


2mV/div

164mV/div

1.8V/div

820mV/div
@Herman

sorry your image did not load correctly but is ok now.  |O

and displayed as it should!

Have you the ref (0V) off the display?
Tinhead had a different setup, please check.
Waveform larger than display and displayed as clipped, cropped, attenuated etc
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Re: Siglent's new product- MSO/SDS2000 Series
« Reply #98 on: November 27, 2013, 06:56:07 am »
@tinhead
 What is  your waveform?I just test a sine waveform
looks good indeed (i've checked here http://sdrv.ms/1ic0j3J )

Herman, any chance to tell me how the signal will get displayed when the waveform amplitude is higher that the 8DIV?

Rigol, like Agilent, is displaying then line (so in principle cropped "wave"), like here



Is Siglent doing the same as Rigol/Agilent or displaying nothing, like e.g. Tektronix does on such condition?
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Re: Siglent's new product- MSO/SDS2000 Series
« Reply #99 on: November 27, 2013, 07:01:57 am »
This scope looks amazing, but what I am really excited about is how Rigol will respond.

Just imagine how awesome this price range of scopes will be this time next year.
 


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