Siglent SDS800X HD 12 bit DSO's

[RAPo]

All items (including the license) are in da house. The fun can begin.

They've just mailed: a Siglent SDS814X HD oscilloscope and Siglent SLA1016 logic analyser, which will be soon on my doorstep.

This indeed is no fun. I've emailed Eleshop: deliver scope+probe now

[hallkbrdz]

Yeah, my US located 804 has shipped!   

[temperance]

Also with 12 bits of vertical resolution, I don't think we need to resort to overdriving the input channels to see signal details anymore.

I will find out about that next week when my LLC converter is up and running.

[Martin72]

Earlier I took the probes out of the box for the first time...
70Mhz types, make a solid impression - Very good: The trimmer is in the BNC connector.
What I always do first and what I consider almost a "duty" when using 4 channels, I put the colored rings corresponding to the colors of the channels on the probes.
So simple, but very helpful.
But then I had my first negative surprise when I took the rings and the trimmer pen out of the bag:
Where are the groundsprings ?
There are none....
Do the probe manufacturers believe that 70Mhz bandwidth is not necessary?
I think that's a rumor....
Maybe I was just unlucky with my 4 probes and they were forgotten.
Then I took the demo board and tapped 4-channel SPI - what can I say, it looks exactly like the "big" siglents.
I like the small one more and more.

[Bit2023]

Hi all,

anyone getting a screen protector? any advise? a 7 inch screen protector should work right? Would it mess up the touchscreen?

[Martin72]

I sure hope they have a machine do clip them on, and not some poor guy or girl whose job it is to do that all day!

With these probes, this also applies to the ring colors and the pre-clipped ones.
I have just checked again that groundsprings also make sense with 70Mhz probes(using the "HF out" from the demoboard), so I don't understand why there are none.

[tautech]

Hmm... my 100 MHz probes did come with ground springs (one per probe). They also came with two choices of red rings: magenta and "real" red; not sure why.

Our PP510 probes were also supplied with Gnd springs.
There have always been extra colored rings than we need.

And, to my surprise, they all came with the yellow rings pre-installed on both the probe and the BNC plug.

Normal and has always been that way.
You get very adept at changing them when you compensate and setup every probe before dispatch. 

[2N3055]

Hi all,

anyone getting a screen protector? any advise? a 7 inch screen protector should work right? Would it mess up the touchscreen?

Screen is not shiny and I have been using 2 Siglent scopes without any protector for few years now and no signs of use at all.
If you insist on using protector, screen is capacitive type and will function perfectly if you apply protector. You just have to find one that fits..

[aeberbach]

Where are the groundsprings ?

Mine also had no groundsprings! Also all four probes had yellow rings on, this might be the way they all come.

[newbrain]

Siglent PB470, the 70 MHz probes, do not come with a ground spring, as shown also in its user guide, so no surprise.
Higher bandwidth probes do include them.

Just sold my DS1054Z, I have an SDS804X coming tomorrow.
I kept two springs from the old Rigol probes (and told the buyer).

[Martin72]

Siglent PB470, the 70 MHz probes, do not come with a ground spring

But why, it makes no sense to me..
Other thing I´ve forgotten to mention:
Boot time of the SDS800X HD....Under 30sec, really nice.

[KungFuJosh]

Hi all,

anyone getting a screen protector? any advise? a 7 inch screen protector should work right? Would it mess up the touchscreen?

Screen is not shiny and I have been using 2 Siglent scopes without any protector for few years now and no signs of use at all.
If you insist on using protector, screen is capacitive type and will function perfectly if you apply protector. You just have to find one that fits..

I always use screen protectors. I usually get multipacks of ipad screen protectors and cut them to size. My gear is on the same bench I do work on, I don't want random flying objects to scratch anything. 😉

[KungFuJosh]

Siglent PB470, the 70 MHz probes, do not come with a ground spring

But why, it makes no sense to me..
Other thing I´ve forgotten to mention:
Boot time of the SDS800X HD....Under 30sec, really nice.

Because they cost money. Lower budget probes often don't come with springs.

[BillyO]

It's a shame they don't come with ground springs.  The cheapo Hantek 6074 USB scope I bought many, many moons ago came with 70MHz probes that included ground springs.

You can get them cheap on ebay though, but I do agree that you should not have to.  Anything 20MHz or faster should include ground springs.

All that said, when I get mine I will not be using the probes at all.  I will transfer over the 500MHz and 300MHz probes I got for my "improved" SDS1104X-E

[mawyatt]

All items (including the license) are in da house. The fun can begin.

They've just mailed: a Siglent SDS814X HD oscilloscope and Siglent SLA1016 logic analyser, which will be soon on my doorstep.

We were able to "extend" the BW of the 814x HD to 200MHz (measured to 275MHz!!) using telenet, now to try and trace down/find how to "enable" the extra options.

Best,

[TK]

All items (including the license) are in da house. The fun can begin.

They've just mailed: a Siglent SDS814X HD oscilloscope and Siglent SLA1016 logic analyser, which will be soon on my doorstep.

We were able to "extend" the BW of the 814x HD to 200MHz (measured to 275MHz!!) using telenet, now to try and trace down/find how to "enable" the extra options.

Best,

For the other extra options you use the same python script but use the serial number and not the SCOPEID.  You can enter the generated codes using the scope or using I think LCISL option,code or LCISL option code SCPI commands.  I entered my codes using the scope and not SCPI.

[newbrain]

Because they cost money. Lower budget probes often don't come with springs.

That's a simple explanation and probably 99% true...

OTOH, I've got a set of 250 MHz Testec probes, not an expert, but they look quite good (LF and HF compensation, sharp gold plated tip, good strain relief etc.).

They come with the usual grabber and ground alligator lead, but they also include adjustment screwdriver, a spare metal tip, and a nice BNC to probe adapter.
Still no ground spring! 

[Mortymore]

Be prepared to be impressed to what has been crammed into these little DSO's.

I'm already a bit curious...
If Welectron actually have it in stock, chances are good to get it delivered on Saturday - I like new toys at the weekend...
I'm going to get the SDS1104X-E from work to compare two generations.

It would be interesting to highlight some situations were having a 12bit scope is a crucial advantage over the 8bit, using the Batronix test board. 

The manuals for the test boards from Batronix, Siglent, Rigol... should be updated (I'm assuming they're not already) for the new 12bit scopes generation, and could state the differences from 8 vs 12 bit scopes were they matter.

[newbrain]

Boot time of the SDS800X HD....Under 30sec, really nice

I read in the manual, and Defpom's video confirms, that the standby power consumption is about 4 W.

The EU directive does not seem to mention test equipment, so this is probably OK from a regulation standpoint, I did not dig deeper.

However, that's quite a lot for a device in standby!

Martin72, is the 30 s figure for a cold (unplugged) boot or just to come out from standby?

[2N3055]

There is no standby on motherboard (CPU) level.
Scope does the OS shutdown, not sleep.

[Martin72]

Martin72, is the 30 s figure for a cold (unplugged) boot or just to come out from standby?

Now ebastler has made me unsure whether I was looking at the clock wrong - I'll measure again later   

[core]

Boot time of the SDS800X HD....Under 30sec, really nice

I read in the manual, and Defpom's video confirms, that the standby power consumption is about 4 W.

The EU directive does not seem to mention test equipment, so this is probably OK from a regulation standpoint, I did not dig deeper.

However, that's quite a lot for a device in standby!

Martin72, is the 30 s figure for a cold (unplugged) boot or just to come out from standby?

It appears to be the same power supply used in the SDS100X-E (I have it), which has the same 4W standby consumption. Not a problem if the power strip has a hardware switch.
As a curiosity, the DHO1000 consumes only 2W in standby, although the full consumption is about 47W versus about 25W for the SDS1000X-E.

The SDS800X HD appears to have about 35W when powered on.
So it must have significantly more processing power than the SDS1000X-E. But we don't know what FPGA it uses.
I'm curious if anyone has compared them in terms of FFT speed or Bode plot speed. Of course, you have to keep in mind that the SDS800 processes 16-bit data versus 8-bit.

[2N3055]

Currently boot time is around 40 sec.

Boot time is highly variable, depending on FW version, and state the scope was before shutdown.
If you enable 4 math channels, zoom, measurements, decoding and shutdown in that state, then it is 50 sec to boot...

Which is beside point. It is twice as fast as other scopes I have.
My Keysight 3104T boots for 110 seconds..

But all of that is irrelevant. Scope needs some 10-20 minutes to reach working temp.
And I use it as primary troubleshooting tool nowadays. With these new 12 bit scopes DC accuracy approaches many 6000 count DMM, and in AC accuracy are superior instrument. You can instantly see waveform shape and within seconds look at timings frequencies etc.. All time running frequency counter is good enough to see if your µC project has proper clock.
You can have have dozens of measurements on screen at same time. If you enable histicons, you can have 5 measurements and it statistical distribution all there on the screen at the same time...
"Hm, that pulse width is not stable, and gets grouped in two distinctive peaks... That's not right... let me see.."

Nowadays, I fire up scope first, before any other instrument.
These new 12bit scopes are THE ultimate multimeter for looking at the signals..

I reach for multimeter only if I need better DC accuracy, or resistance measurements, or continuity....

[2N3055]

I'm curious if anyone has compared them in terms of FFT speed or Bode plot speed. Of course, you have to keep in mind that the SDS800 processes 16-bit data versus 8-bit.

Them being SDS1104X-E and SDS800xHD ?

SDS800xHD is faster. Visibly faster. Despite 16Bit internal data path.

Bode plot speed has nothing to with scope speed.

[core]

Them being SDS1104X-E and SDS800xHD ?

Yes

SDS800xHD is faster. Visibly faster. Despite 16Bit internal data path.

Bode plot speed has nothing to with scope speed.

Thanks !