Siglent SDS800X HD 12 bit DSO's

[sebyon]

I know you're being sarcastic, ........

SDS1*04X-E and SDS2*02X-E have WiFi connectivity however there are plans not to include it in 800X HD and we need convince HQ there is demand......

So get voting please.

See as someone looking to buy their first good oscilloscope (work doesn't like me "borrowing" their R&S RTO1044), having WiFi would be really nice as myself and I suspect others entering the market that don't have wired ethernet in their home labs. Most people on this board have dedicated labs, but I suspect people entering the market might not have this, so portability is a good feature for entry products.

[mwb1100]

Today nearly everything that provides connectivity offers WiFi - in fact it's becoming common that devices will offer WiFi but not wired connectivity (generally small or portable devices - I'm not suggesting that Siglent needs to go in that direction).

It strikes me as crazy that Siglent HQ needs to be convinced, especially since it's clear from the X-E oscilloscopes that they already have the technology to provide WiFi support.

[orzel]

It strikes me as crazy that Siglent HQ needs to be convinced, especially since it's clear from the X-E oscilloscopes that they already have the technology to provide WiFi support.

I guess it's more a matter of optimizing costs that developing the technology.

[Veteran68]

Today nearly everything that provides connectivity offers WiFi - in fact it's becoming common that devices will offer WiFi but not wired connectivity

Last year I bought a Samsung M70B Smart Monitor, a 43" 4K monitor that hangs on the wall over my workstation and serves as a 5th monitor to my desktop. I was planning to just buy a 43" 4K TV with a connection to the computer, but found a good sale on this one. Being a Samsung, a brand I value in TVs, and being a better computer monitor than a TV, with no TV tuner (which I didn't want), but having the smart apps for things like Netflix, YouTube, Hulu, etc. for when I wanted to stream something and not require the computer, it seemed perfect.

And I do I love it as a monitor, but one thing I totally missed when I was looking at the specs, was a total lack of ethernet. Every other smart TV in my house (we have five, including 3 Samsung smart TVs) has an ethernet port, so it never occurred to me that a Samsung smart monitor, intended even more so to be used in a computer configuration than in a TV configuration, would not also have an ethernet port. It almost made me return it.

Fortunately I have a fairly high-end WiFi setup given the number of mobile/IoT devices in our home, and this monitor is within eyesight of the AP, so the connection is strong and reasonably reliable. But that was a bonehead move by Samsung IMO. You can be assured if I'm ever in the market for another similar item, I'll check for an ethernet port.

[BillyO]

OF course I'm not suggesting they not include it, just that it would not bother me if they did not.

Two tings further:

1) I agree WiFi is ubiquitous.  It might very well play against them if they don't include it.  Lots of people like to have things they never use.  Bench racing is a widely practiced sport.  If they don't want to add hardware for cost/complexity reasons, they could provide USB support for it in firmware like with the SDS1xx4X-E series.  They seem to have that code working.

2) CAT-5/6 cables are cheap as are 4/8-port giga-bit switches.  It would cost less than $25 USD to set up a limited wired network in your "lab".  Then you're not at the mercy of the vagaries that can afflict WiFi.

[tautech]

It strikes me as crazy that Siglent HQ needs to be convinced, especially since it's clear from the X-E oscilloscopes that they already have the technology to provide WiFi support.

Their plan was to not support WiFi in 800X HD. 
Thus far some opposition has been expressed however the poll will provide additional views of support for HQ to hopefully reconsider.

Those that imagine hobbyists are the only users of WiFi might be surprised as to what actually goes on in the marketplace. 
Not all workspaces have or want wired LAN connectivity therefore WiFi connection for their instruments is their preferred connectivity solution.

Poll wording slightly edited.

[KungFuJosh]

It strikes me as crazy that Siglent HQ needs to be convinced, especially since it's clear from the X-E oscilloscopes that they already have the technology to provide WiFi support.

Their plan was to not support WiFi in 800X HD. 
Thus far some opposition has been expressed however the poll will provide additional views of support for HQ to hopefully reconsider.

Those that imagine hobbyists are the only users of WiFi might be surprised as to what actually goes on in the marketplace. 
Not all workspaces have or want wired LAN connectivity therefore WiFi connection for their instruments is their preferred connectivity solution.

Poll wording slightly edited.

Maybe you should also mention the conversations about other scopes and the wifi bridge adapters discussed. Some labs don't want wired ethernet because of the potential grounding issues associated with being hard wired.

[tautech]

Maybe you should also mention the conversations about other scopes and the wifi bridge adapters discussed. Some labs don't want wired ethernet because of the potential grounding issues associated with being hard wired.

Voiced this also.

One step at a time. 

[BillyO]

Some labs don't want wired ethernet because of the potential grounding issues associated with being hard wired.

TP Ethernet should not be ground referenced.

[DaneLaw]

I do prefer WIFI in a modern scope in 2024.
I like the ability to have access to the web or your local network from the scope and sling data & files around as you please.
just as the ability to record video, and pictures and just open cloud storage sites or even here fx EEVblog from the scope and share it.
Not to mention the streaming ability for wireless control, but it needs to be with a fast update-rate for it to be tolerable.

The ability to have a browser on the scope is quite useful and access data libraries, cloud storage, etc... so many things are browser-based, the biggest problem is when the browser is ancient and limits the interaction with lack of new updates.

Wireless WIFI interface through iOS or Android or Windows app can be quite useful..On my current scope the delay is around 0.25 to 0.35s but the update rate is quite fast..
Android Tablet wifi streamed, with scope in roll mode. https://i.imgur.com/L2IxS2b.mp4

But Micsig scopes are a weird fish, as you do have a lot of secondaries and aspects that most people would handle on their PC instead, and not on their oscilloscope.
http://tinyurl.com/yeykzz7p
But I do find it useful, same with the video-record ability

- In 2024, I do prefer to have WIFI in a modern scope, just as HDMI output also should be a norm, but none of these things are dealbreakers as per se, and I personally use the HDMI output less than I thought I would - but it is nice to have it in regards to having nada.
the WIFI aspect also makes wireless use with projectors a seamless experience when you can simply go to fx Google Play Store on the projector Android OS & download the scopes wifi stream-app and control it on the projected display - though you're adding quite a delay on top if you're using fx air mouse - but for a presentation and likewise, it does work as intended. http://tinyurl.com/fffpexuc

[KungFuJosh]

That probe holster is pretty cute. 😉

[Bruno_PT]

Had just started to look around for my first scope, the rigol DHO800s were as expensive as i was willing to go but bandwidth wasn't high enough to justify the extra cost vs the older scopes, hopefully this release will change things.

[Fungus]

Had just started to look around for my first scope, the rigol DHO800s were as expensive as i was willing to go but bandwidth wasn't high enough to justify the extra cost vs the older scopes, hopefully this release will change things.

Despite what it says on the sticker, the DHO804 has 125Mhz measured bandwidth, the DHO814 has 200MHz.

You can change a DHO804 into any model in the range, eg. if you change it to a DHO924 you get 280MHz measured bandwidth.

It takes about 10 seconds to change the model over Ethernet/WiFi (the time it takes to send a file and restart the 'scope app).

[2N3055]

My car is gray...

OH wait, we could actually talk about topic....hmm...

For those that don't know, Performa01 has released his "SDS800X HD Review & Demonstration Thread".

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/sds800x-hd-review-demonstration-thread/msg5293741/#msg5293741

As usual, very detailed, all measured and verified. He knows his stuff and does very good work...
For all the people interested, that should be primary resource.

[tszaboo]

It strikes me as crazy that Siglent HQ needs to be convinced, especially since it's clear from the X-E oscilloscopes that they already have the technology to provide WiFi support.

Their plan was to not support WiFi in 800X HD. 
Thus far some opposition has been expressed however the poll will provide additional views of support for HQ to hopefully reconsider.

Those that imagine hobbyists are the only users of WiFi might be surprised as to what actually goes on in the marketplace. 
Not all workspaces have or want wired LAN connectivity therefore WiFi connection for their instruments is their preferred connectivity solution.

Poll wording slightly edited.

Probably supporting USB HUBs and Realtek USB Wifi adapters is a good compromise. They cost like 2 EUR, and you get to pick if you want it or not.

[tautech]

Probably supporting USB HUBs and Realtek USB Wifi adapters is a good compromise. They cost like 2 EUR, and you get to pick if you want it or not.

From 2017 TP Link's TL-WN725N has been the only USB Wifi adapter supported and as these are widely available and well priced I don't imagine this will change.

[tautech]

OP updated with western release datasheet and models that will be available.

[Mechatrommer]

OP updated with western release datasheet and models that will be available.

not sold in aliexpress yet?

[tautech]

OP updated with western release datasheet and models that will be available.

not sold in aliexpress yet?

Why would I know or even care ?
You have Google too. 

[BillyO]

It looks like the SDS822x HD and SDS824X HD might be slightly different hardware than the other models.  So you might be able to updated from an SDS804X HD to an SDS814X HD, but not the ways to an SDS824X HD.  Or am I mistaken?

[BillyO]

OP updated with western release datasheet and models that will be available.

not sold in aliexpress yet?

They are there (or more accurately were there): https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806279701118.html

I wonder if those prices will carry over to NA?

[chillidog]

It looks like the SDS822x HD and SDS824X HD might be slightly different hardware than the other models.  So you might be able to updated from an SDS804X HD to an SDS814X HD, but not the ways to an SDS824X HD.  Or am I mistaken?

The only thing that seems to be different is the amount of memory (assuming the same 500,000 wfms in sequence mode is a giveaway that there is no further hardware difference). So leaving out a single memory chip seems almost absurd.

[BillyO]

Waveform capture rate is different in normal mode as well.  Sure, that could all be enabled with the correct license I guess but with the SDS2000X-P and the SDS1000X-E we see memory depth and wfm/s rates consistent across models.

I could very well be wrong, I just don't know.  It remains to be seen I guess.

[tautech]

It looks like the SDS822x HD and SDS824X HD might be slightly different hardware than the other models.  So you might be able to updated from an SDS804X HD to an SDS814X HD, but not the ways to an SDS824X HD.  Or am I mistaken?

The only thing that seems to be different is the amount of memory (assuming the same 500,000 wfms in sequence mode is a giveaway that there is no further hardware difference). So leaving out a single memory chip seems almost absurd.

This was the difference between the older CNL and CML models, nothing more.

[Mechatrommer]

OP updated with western release datasheet and models that will be available.

not sold in aliexpress yet?

Why would I know or even care ?
You have Google too. 

because you are a sale representative.. if you dont know or even care, then we know it is as good as rigol in term of sale and support. we'll do the same as rigol product then.... we wait and make our own decision.. as someone wise said.. you say best when you say nothing at all, rigol rep left/ignore us long time ago... cheers.

OP updated with western release datasheet and models that will be available.

not sold in aliexpress yet?

They are there (or more accurately were there): https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806279701118.html
I wonder if those prices will carry over to NA?

great! (resourceful people like you should be a sale rep ) i typed few keyword in aliexpress it didnt  come out with this, thanks! my eye will focus on SDS804X (since i bought DHO804) its USD456 (DHO804 is USD389) so i think its close enough... (edit: err wait... SDS804X is 2GSps right? rigol is going to screw up this time i'll look forward to SDS800X review and performance cheers)