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Re: Siglent SDS3000X HD and upgraded SDS1000X HD
« Reply #1000 on: September 20, 2024, 09:40:50 am »
100% but still possibly a design problem and we need to listen and feedback to HQ for their deeper tests...

If it's related to the PWM frequency of the LCD dimming, it would be amazing if it can be fixed in a software update ;D. I guess 100% brightness is still dimmed to some degree, to get proper lifetime on the LCD.
It could be a HW revision issue, can you state HW version so we we can take this to HQ for their investigation.
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Re: Siglent SDS3000X HD and upgraded SDS1000X HD
« Reply #1001 on: September 20, 2024, 09:48:11 am »
100% but still possibly a design problem and we need to listen and feedback to HQ for their deeper tests...

If it's related to the PWM frequency of the LCD dimming, it would be amazing if it can be fixed in a software update ;D. I guess 100% brightness is still dimmed to some degree, to get proper lifetime on the LCD.
It could be a HW revision issue, can you state HW version so we we can take this to HQ for their investigation.
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Re: Siglent SDS3000X HD and upgraded SDS1000X HD
« Reply #1002 on: September 20, 2024, 10:10:58 am »
Hi,

I don't have the problem, same hardware version.
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Re: Siglent SDS3000X HD and upgraded SDS1000X HD
« Reply #1003 on: September 20, 2024, 11:41:32 am »
Yeah it's audible when sitting at my other desk ~3 meters away. The picture attached in the previous post is indeed just captured from an audio analyzer app on the phone. The phone app also shows the 6.1 kHz peak just fine at a few meters distance.

I can't seem to find the "Sound off" option? But it's constant, even with the channels disabled, scampling stopped etc.
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It has nothing to do with sounds of the scope.

Yeah it's audible when sitting at my other desk ~3 meters away. The picture attached in the previous post is indeed just captured from an audio analyzer app on the phone. The phone app also shows the 6.1 kHz peak just fine at a few meters distance.

I can't seem to find the "Sound off" option? But it's constant, even with the channels disabled, scampling stopped etc.

I never was bothered by it because I don't hear it.
So I went and measured.

At 1m distance there is slight peak at cca 6kHz but that one is at -88dB ..... So 4 orders of magnitude less than what you have. No wonder I can't hear it.
To investigate further with phone stuck right at the scope, touching it. So there is mechanical transfer too, so worst case scenario acoustically. It was no worse than -67dB.
That is 2 orders of magnitude less that what you claim at some meters.

And it is connected with screen backlight, by the way...

It is not a functional problem. It is not a general problem. It seem to be your particular scope combined with your sensitive hearing that is unlucky combination.
If it bothers you that much, please present the problem to Siglent support through vendor you purchased it from. I'm sure they will find some way to help you.
100% but still possibly a design problem and we need to listen and feedback to HQ for their deeper tests...

I doubt it is any kind of general design problem electrically. Some capacitors and magnetics simply sing.
My scope has exactly same frequency and I had to look for the frequency with microphone and analyser to find it, how quiet acoustically it is.

His scope might simply miss a drop of glue or some peculiarity with soldering or whatever. There might be some variation with his scope specifically but it is not a general design problem, or all of them would have it. But he should report it to Siglent because they might want to know to see if there is some manufacturing issue for a batch or simply his is statistical anomaly.
He might have unlucky component that so happens to sing at that exact frequency.

If that screen PWM frequency is under software control, this might even be solved with nudging PWM frequency few 100Hz up or down, out of mechanical resonance of the "singer"..
 

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Re: Siglent SDS3000X HD and upgraded SDS1000X HD
« Reply #1004 on: September 20, 2024, 08:32:51 pm »
Clearly the fan in those scopes is too quiet! ;)
 
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Re: Siglent SDS3000X HD and upgraded SDS1000X HD
« Reply #1005 on: September 20, 2024, 08:37:43 pm »
Clearly the fan in those scopes is too quiet! ;)

They are second quietest after 2000xHD that is completely silent at normal temps.
And as cooler weather comes in it gets more quiet..
 

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Re: Siglent SDS3000X HD and upgraded SDS1000X HD
« Reply #1006 on: September 20, 2024, 08:47:36 pm »
Yes, the 2000X HD is the quietest I've ever heard.
The 3000er first brutally high, then quieter.
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Re: Siglent SDS3000X HD and upgraded SDS1000X HD
« Reply #1007 on: September 21, 2024, 03:11:50 am »
Hello,

I just noticed that the SDS3000X HD has a USB 3.0 device port, while the SDS7000A H12 only has a USB 2.0 device port.

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Re: Siglent SDS3000X HD and upgraded SDS1000X HD
« Reply #1008 on: September 21, 2024, 04:13:44 am »
I just noticed that the SDS3000X HD has a USB 3.0 device port, while the SDS7000A H12 only has a USB 2.0 device port.

The SDS7000A lists USB2.0 as something supported by serial decoding. The blue USB ports it has are usually at least USB3.0, different shades may mean different versions.
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Re: Siglent SDS3000X HD and upgraded SDS1000X HD
« Reply #1009 on: September 21, 2024, 04:30:06 pm »
Hello,

I am only talking about the USB 2.0 device port.

The manual 6.3 Rear Panel Overview says:
"H. USB 2.0 Device: Connects with a PC for remote control"

The picture also shows the socket in white and not blue.
 
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Re: Siglent SDS3000X HD and upgraded SDS1000X HD
« Reply #1010 on: September 21, 2024, 04:42:35 pm »
I guess they don't need that much throughput for device control. 😉 USB2.0 is 480Mbps.
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Re: Siglent SDS3000X HD and upgraded SDS1000X HD
« Reply #1011 on: September 21, 2024, 04:52:48 pm »
7000A has two Ethernet ports...
I don't use USB if I can Ethernet.. Just saying.
 
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Re: Siglent SDS3000X HD and upgraded SDS1000X HD
« Reply #1012 on: September 21, 2024, 08:01:37 pm »
7000A has two Ethernet ports...
I don't use USB if I can Ethernet.. Just saying.

It really doesn't matter considering the scopes don't utilize the speed, but USB3.0 is faster than Gigabit LAN, and USB2.0 is faster than 100M LAN.

Either way, I also prefer ethernet over USB.
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Re: Siglent SDS3000X HD and upgraded SDS1000X HD
« Reply #1013 on: September 21, 2024, 10:58:59 pm »
7000A has two Ethernet ports...
I don't use USB if I can Ethernet.. Just saying.

It really doesn't matter considering the scopes don't utilize the speed, but USB3.0 is faster than Gigabit LAN, and USB2.0 is faster than 100M LAN.

Either way, I also prefer ethernet over USB.

I know that theoretic speed is faster. But Gigabit Ethernet is very convenient and fast enough for what I do..
 
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Re: Siglent SDS3000X HD and upgraded SDS1000X HD
« Reply #1014 on: September 21, 2024, 11:24:52 pm »
I know that theoretic speed is faster. But Gigabit Ethernet is very convenient and fast enough for what I do..

I prefer the ethernet either way. Though I wish Siglent would allow us to increase the framerate on the web console. ~15fps isn't enough, I want at least up to 60fps as an option.
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