Siglent SDS3000X HD and upgraded SDS1000X HD

[skander36]

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As was already established, If you need only basic math, and lowest possible noise, DHO800 does best job for least money.
DHO4000 really has no additional features (capabilities) in addition to DHO800, except BW active probe interface and more decodes.

Fact is, people complained so much that previous generation Rigol scopes have lots of noise that Rigol took it seriously.
So seriously, in fact, that they seem to think other stuff is not so important anymore. 

You could add the sampling rate(1.25 vs 4 GSa/s), memory (25 vs 500 mpts), WFMS,  display size, etc. but basically you have right. The same is for SDS 3000XHD vs SDS 800XHD   

[skander36]

Hello,

Mine has a little more noise. At a bandwidth of 20 MHz, my DHO1074 is better and it should also have a 500 MHz front end from the HDO4000.
(From zrq (Reply #1236 in Rigol HDO1000 and HDO4000 thread): "Note that the possibility to hack a DHO1000 for the 50 Ohm input (only for ranges <=100 mV/div and with some offset issues), all software features on DHO4000 and >500 MHz BW has been proven on my 1074")

best regards
egonotto

Actually the bandwith capability is at least 800 MHz (from the rise time is even larger - 1,2 GHz but this is not an precise measurement so I wil not bet on this).
But the bw is limited to 200 MHz so the noise can be different. And as 2N3055 said, putting the 50 ohm terminator with cap lower the noise with about 4-5 uV.

[2N3055]

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As was already established, If you need only basic math, and lowest possible noise, DHO800 does best job for least money.
DHO4000 really has no additional features (capabilities) in addition to DHO800, except BW active probe interface and more decodes.

Fact is, people complained so much that previous generation Rigol scopes have lots of noise that Rigol took it seriously.
So seriously, in fact, that they seem to think other stuff is not so important anymore. 

You could add the sampling rate(1.25 vs 4 GSa/s), memory (25 vs 500 mpts), WFMS,  display size, etc. but basically you have right. The same is for SDS 3000XHD vs SDS 800XHD   

Not exactly. SDS3000xHD has MSO and also Acquisition Gating, that allows you to have gated FFT for instance.
And more things to come as the platform matures. It is, like, 3 months since release.

But with Siglent your statement is a testament how powerful SDS800xHD is.

With Rigol it is more like how underwhelming DHO4000 is as to what i could (should?) be.....

OTOH, both Siglent XHD series and Rigol DHO series are a class above in capabilities compared to what Big brands (don't?) have in that price class.. Or in some cases at any price.
World have changed...

[Ulrich.G]

In Siglent xHD family, for lowest noise  sweet spot is SDS2000X HD.
While still being 500MHz.

Which settings for the Math-ERES Channel did you choose?

[2N3055]

In Siglent xHD family, for lowest noise  sweet spot is SDS2000X HD.
While still being 500MHz.

Which settings for the Math-ERES Channel did you choose?

ERES 3

[skander36]

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Not exactly. SDS3000xHD has MSO and also Acquisition Gating, that allows you to have gated FFT for instance.
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SDS800X-HD does not have MSO?

[tautech]

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Not exactly. SDS3000xHD has MSO and also Acquisition Gating, that allows you to have gated FFT for instance.
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SDS800X-HD does not have MSO?

It does, via optional external module SLA1016:
https://int.siglent.com/products-ware/sds800hd/#navs

[2N3055]

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Not exactly. SDS3000xHD has MSO and also Acquisition Gating, that allows you to have gated FFT for instance.
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SDS800X-HD does not have MSO?

SDS800XHD and 1000XHD does not have built in MSO. MSO is external pod (additional capture hardware).

3000XHD uses same SPL2016 as 2000X, 2000X+, 2000XHD, 5000X, 6000A and 7000A

[skander36]

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Not exactly. SDS3000xHD has MSO and also Acquisition Gating, that allows you to have gated FFT for instance.
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SDS800X-HD does not have MSO?

SDS800XHD and 1000XHD does not have built in MSO. MSO is external pod (additional capture hardware).

3000XHD uses same SPL2016 as 2000X, 2000X+, 2000XHD, 5000X, 6000A and 7000A

I know. I have the SDS 1000X HD for some time . The question was for you ... regarding the comparison.
The ideea is that in my opinion also SDS3000X-HD as Rigol DHO4000HD is a waste of money compared with the lower models capabilites. Both of them does not bring so much to spend 4K E on them.

[egonotto]

Hello,

Mine has a little more noise. .....

best regards
egonotto

Hello,

with the SDS2104X HD, a BNC 50 Ohm terminator did not change the measurement.
As far as I can remember, a BNC 50 Ohm terminator was essential for the HDO1074, without it the values were much worse.

Best regards
egonotto

[skander36]

Hello,

Mine has a little more noise. .....

best regards
egonotto

Hello,

with the SDS2104X HD, a BNC 50 Ohm terminator did not change the measurement.
As far as I can remember, a BNC 50 Ohm terminator was essential for the HDO1074, without it the values were much worse.

Best regards
egonotto

On SDS1000X-HD is about 7uV difference.
On the Rigol 1K HD the noise is lower with about 20uV (from 41 to 20) on 50 ohm. It is more sensible to noise on HI-Z input.

[2N3055]

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Not exactly. SDS3000xHD has MSO and also Acquisition Gating, that allows you to have gated FFT for instance.
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SDS800X-HD does not have MSO?

SDS800XHD and 1000XHD does not have built in MSO. MSO is external pod (additional capture hardware).

3000XHD uses same SPL2016 as 2000X, 2000X+, 2000XHD, 5000X, 6000A and 7000A

I know. I have the SDS 1000X HD for some time . The question was for you ... regarding the comparison.
The ideea is that in my opinion also SDS3000X-HD as Rigol DHO4000HD is a waste of money compared with the lower models capabilites. Both of them does not bring so much to spend 4K E on them.

Well you can have any kind of opinion, including one completely driven with your own user case and opinions...
They don't bring any benefit to you. Which might be very right for you.

But there is much difference and still will have more differentiation as time passes by. Like I said, it is really just released.

[KungFuJosh]

At the very least, the 3000 has a 1GHz front end and active probe support. Whether you need that or not is a different question, it's still a superior device.

[skander36]

At the very least, the 3000 has a 1GHz front end and active probe support. Whether you need that or not is a different question, it's still a superior device.

For this you need another 4 K Euro to use it at 1 GHz (4 x 1 GHz active probes).
Obvious that is superior but is worth double the price vs sds2khd?

[2N3055]

At the very least, the 3000 has a 1GHz front end and active probe support. Whether you need that or not is a different question, it's still a superior device.

For this you need another 4 K Euro to use it at 1 GHz (4 x 1 GHz active probes).
Obvious that is superior but is worth double the price vs sds2khd?

Like I said, maybe not to you. But if you are doing work that needs that kind of capability then becomes an important feature..
And other manufacturers are much more expensive with offering less...

[Martin72]

And other manufacturers are much more expensive with offering less...

Lecroy WS4104HD for example...
Inferior to the SDS3104X HD in almost all respects, costs around €15,000.

[KungFuJosh]

At the very least, the 3000 has a 1GHz front end and active probe support. Whether you need that or not is a different question, it's still a superior device.

For this you need another 4 K Euro to use it at 1 GHz (4 x 1 GHz active probes).
Obvious that is superior but is worth double the price vs sds2khd?

If you need the feature, then yes, 100%. If not, then obviously no. If you buy the 3000 series at the lower bandwidth, it can be upgraded to 1GHz if the need arises. The 2000 can never go above 500MHz. As always, the only thing that ever defines value is what you need, or might need in the future.

As others have said, it's a bargain either way if you compare it to the (lack of) competition.

[tautech]

At the very least, the 3000 has a 1GHz front end and active probe support. Whether you need that or not is a different question, it's still a superior device.

For this you need another 4 K Euro to use it at 1 GHz (4 x 1 GHz active probes).
Obvious that is superior but is worth double the price vs sds2khd?

If you need the feature, then yes, 100%. If not, then obviously no. If you buy the 3000 series at the lower bandwidth, it can be upgraded to 1GHz if the need arises. The 2000 can never go above 500MHz. As always, the only thing that ever defines value is what you need, or might need in the future.

As others have said, it's a bargain either way if you compare it to the (lack of) competition.

Yeah well, Dave's 1 GHz scope shootout placed SDS5104X as best bang for buck, which if you look hard at the current pricing has been pushed off its pedestal by SDS3104X HD.
 

[Ulrich.G]

Yeah well, Dave's 1 GHz scope shootout placed SDS5104X as best bang for buck, which if you look hard at the current pricing has been pushed off its pedestal by SDS3104X HD.
 

There are not many reasons left to buy a SDS5000x instead of a SDS3000x. The SDS5000x in 1Ghz is (currently - summer promotion) around 600€ (before tax) cheaper and has a slightly higher sampling rate, but only 8 bit ADC. Thats it.

[tautech]

Yeah well, Dave's 1 GHz scope shootout placed SDS5104X as best bang for buck, which if you look hard at the current pricing has been pushed off its pedestal by SDS3104X HD.
 

There are not many reasons left to buy a SDS5000x instead of a SDS3000x. The SDS5000x in 1Ghz is (currently - summer promotion) around 600€ (before tax) cheaper and has a slightly higher sampling rate, but only 8 bit ADC. Thats it.

Not quite.
SDS5000X has deeper mem depth. 250 Mpts x 2

[egonotto]

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Not quite.
SDS5000X has deeper mem depth. 250 Mpts x 2

Hello,

there are other small differences.
250 Mpts is 250 MB?
200 Mpts is 300 MB?
Digital Channels:
Max. Sampling Rate 1.25 GSa/s vs. 1 GSa/s
Memory Depth 62.5 Mpts/ch vs 100 Mpts/ch

Best regards
egonotto

[rosenrot]

I had the chance to play with this beauty over the last week and I have to tell it is an awesome piece of technology. The channels y-positioning is a little unpredictable to me sometimes as it is quite snappy - but that could be me 

I even tried the DIY SPL2016 designed by others in this forum to decode an I2C project I'm playing with. Great that Siglent provides these trials. Coming from a much cheaper oscilloscope, I find this one very handy and it saves me a lot of my limited spare time.



Thanks to the discussions in this thread, I was confident that I wouldn't be disappointed with my new device, and that has proven to be true. I am thoroughly pleased with my new toy. 

[TotallyFred]

How was your experience with the refresh rate ?

The sds1000xhd looked rather sluggish on the teardown video, but maybe it is only in comparison with the 2000 ?

How was the 3000 ?

[Martin72]

New Firmware for 3000X HD, "only" change:

Made Option 16LA and Option FG Standard

 


https://www.siglenteu.com/download/17342/?tmstv=1719836443

[Ulrich.G]

New Firmware for 3000X HD, "only" change:

Made Option 16LA and Option FG Standard

 


https://www.siglenteu.com/download/17342/?tmstv=1719836443

Right, and I thought I will wait to buy one until Siglent made the next promotion (Christmas?) Well, maybe there will be some bandwidth extension included then. Somehow it feels wrong to buy my Christmas present in July