Siglent SDS2000X Plus Hack

[tom66]

I'm tempted to get an SDS2074X or SDS2104X and upgrade it all the way to 350MHz with all options

Anything specific I need to look out for?

[tautech]

I'm tempted to get an SDS2074X or SDS2104X and upgrade it all the way to 350MHz with all options

Anything specific I need to look out for?

Just be sure you order the correct model with the suffix Plus. 
Pray do tell where you plan to get the 70 MHz model from as it's not available in the west.

TBH there were great deals on these last year for the MSO HW with MSO and FG license for $219 was hard to beat.

[tom66]

Yeah, I saw the 70MHz has been discontinued, shame!   But still a bargain for a 100MHz scope that can go up to 350MHz.

[tautech]

Yeah, I saw the 70MHz has been discontinued, shame!   But still a bargain for a 100MHz scope that can go up to 350MHz.

It's still a current model....in the east !
IIRC the 70 MHz model has never been available in the west and the only model listed as discontinued is the 2ch SDS2102X Plus.

Actually these 2kX Plus have a 500 MHz BW option however it's SW limited to just 2 channels so if you planned on liberating it so, and most do, consider getting a couple of fixed 10x sensing 500 MHz probes.
You only need 2 as if you enable a 3rd channel BW limiters kick in at 350 MHz.

The 500 MHz BW has been confirmed by a few members to 570 MHz.

[concon]

Has anybody had any issues with firmwares V1.3.9R12 or V1.3.9R10?

[Peter_O]

Has anybody had any issues with firmwares V1.3.9R12 or V1.3.9R10?

There might be some infos here:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds2000x-plus-bugs-missing-features-feature-requests/

[vicki20july]

Hi

Any ideas if the bandwidth hack up to 500 MHz is still applicable to SDS2104X Plus (100 MHz unit) on the latest units being shipped right now. Wondering if the newer units have some new hardware revision or hardware +  firmware revision to prevent that?

Thank you

[tautech]

Hi

Any ideas if the bandwidth hack up to 500 MHz is still applicable to SDS2104X Plus (100 MHz unit) on the latest units being shipped right now. Wondering if the newer units have some new hardware revision or hardware +  firmware revision to prevent that?

Thank you

Well it's not really a hack as valid BW license upgrade keys are being installed. Stop that and the BW upgrades that you could otherwise buy might not work and therefore ruin an advertised BW upgrade process which Siglent has added to nearly all of their later DSO ranges.

If you've been lurking here a while you may have noticed some recent flagship models are now using a different licensing Python Hashkey as the clever people here don't appear to sit on their hands for very long.

[vicki20july]

Thank you, and if I understood correctly, the already known hash key is still valid for recently manufactured SDS2000X+ units...?
 

Well it's not really a hack as valid BW license upgrade keys are being installed. Stop that and the BW upgrades that you could otherwise buy might not work and therefore ruin an advertised BW upgrade process which Siglent has added to nearly all of their later DSO ranges.

If you've been lurking here a while you may have noticed some recent flagship models are now using a different licensing Python Hashkey as the clever people here don't appear to sit on their hands for very long.

[tautech]

Thank you, and if I understood correctly, the already known hash key is still valid for recently manufactured SDS2000X+ units...?
 

Well it's not really a hack as valid BW license upgrade keys are being installed. Stop that and the BW upgrades that you could otherwise buy might not work and therefore ruin an advertised BW upgrade process which Siglent has added to nearly all of their later DSO ranges.

If you've been lurking here a while you may have noticed some recent flagship models are now using a different licensing Python Hashkey as the clever people here don't appear to sit on their hands for very long.

Last I checked a few weeks ago it still generated the same as an official license.
Even if it didn't the experts here would find another one within a week would be my guess.
The Toy Wonder is a very clever chap. 

[vicki20july]

Last I checked a few weeks ago it still generated the same as an official license.
Even if it didn't the experts here would find another one within a week would be my guess.
The Toy Wonder is a very clever chap. 

Thank you 

[pizzigri]

Last I checked a few weeks ago it still generated the same as an official license.
Even if it didn't the experts here would find another one within a week would be my guess.
The Toy Wonder is a very clever chap. 

I was interested int his as well, seeing that the new HW revision (04-xx) gets LXi in the latest FW...

[geelee]

hi ,
What is reason to have license for Siglent SPL2016 PLUS 16 Channel logic probe  , if you can't buy the probe separately ?
Or can you buy separately the logic probe ? I can't find nowhere . Maybe some 3rd party compatible ?

[tomud]

hi ,
What is reason to have license for Siglent SPL2016 PLUS 16 Channel logic probe  , if you can't buy the probe separately ?
Or can you buy separately the logic probe ? I can't find nowhere . Maybe some 3rd party compatible ?

SPL2016 can be bought without any problems, e.g. in Batronix, it is also available from a Polish distributor. Although it is not cheap (335 euro netto, 405,35 euro with VAT 21%), unfortunately. There is also an amateur project of making such a probe on the forum.

[tautech]

hi ,
What is reason to have license for Siglent SPL2016 PLUS 16 Channel logic probe  , if you can't buy the probe separately ?
Or can you buy separately the logic probe ? I can't find nowhere . Maybe some 3rd party compatible ?

They are.
Some LeCroy, Tek and Rigol MSO's use the same probe and sometimes you can find them surplus on eBay.
Obviously the Pt#'s are different but some time spent surfing the net can find them.

The DIY probe thread is here:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/diy-logic-analyzer-probe-and-pods-for-siglent-scopes/

Youtuber Defpom made his own style here:

[geelee]

You guys are amazing point me newcomer to right direction , I will go with a DIY probe + lic . key here  and have fun !

[coppice]

I've seen negative comments about the SDS2104X+ logic probes. I'm not clear if that is because there are considered poor quality, or too expensive. There is a bundle being offered right now (at least in the UK) that makes the logic probe cheaper. Can anyone comment on the quality versus value for money issue?

[2N3055]

I've seen negative comments about the SDS2104X+ logic probes. I'm not clear if that is because there are considered poor quality, or too expensive. There is a bundle being offered right now (at least in the UK) that makes the logic probe cheaper. Can anyone comment on the quality versus value for money issue?

I don't know what negative comments.. SPL2016 are very good quality, and bundle is great deal. Usually they are more expensive because you have to pay for both probes and MSO license separately.

[rf-loop]

hi ,
What is reason to have license for Siglent SPL2016 PLUS 16 Channel logic probe  , if you can't buy the probe separately ?
Or can you buy separately the logic probe ? I can't find nowhere . Maybe some 3rd party compatible ?

Of course, you can buy SPL2016 separately. Just SPL2016 without license (normal price EUR 355,- VAT 0)
Example if your probe is damaged or loosed in travel or destroyed accidentally way or other no need buy licence again. It is permanently in scope. So you can buy just only new SPL2016 probe.

And more if you need only new very good quality original clips you can then buy clips set. SPL-C1 (normal price EUR 79,- VAT0)

And even more: if workshop have 10 scopes and want all have MSO license but all do not all time/same time need probe, just buy ten licenses but only example two probe set and then every scope user can take probe just only when need occasionally and after use return it to the tool storage of workshop. License SDS2000XP-16LA without probe normal price is EUR 155,- VAT0.

Or vice versa, if need test many separate objects and freguently swap between these but connecting probes take too much time including also possible mistakes... you can buy 10 probe for one scope with one license and probes can be already connected to circuits under work and then just need connect this probe to scope what circuit need look. Much faster and less errors if connecting probe to DUT circuit is laborious (time is money!)

Does separate pricing still feel strange?


Of course, now this bundle offer is different case. One probe+licence together for one new oscilloscope with special price. 
Btw, this SPL2016 is really good quality and example ribbon cables consist of separate coaxial cables (specially for keep fast edges cross talk low)

[Martin72]

Although it is not the right thread for it(hacking):
I would love it if "early adpoters" like me could also enjoy a promo offer like this...
As a reward for buying so early, you can always pay full price for every accessory...

[tautech]

I've seen negative comments about the SDS2104X+ logic probes. I'm not clear if that is because there are considered poor quality, or too expensive. There is a bundle being offered right now (at least in the UK) that makes the logic probe cheaper. Can anyone comment on the quality versus value for money issue?

Normal SLA2016 pricing is outrageous but the promo bundle with a new scope, SLA2016, MSO and FG option licenses for $ 220 is a killer deal.
Quality grabbers and the twin 8ch leads, well you just can't know how nice they are until you fondle a set.
Just stocked up on a few .........

[rf-loop]

Normal SLA2016 pricing is outrageous....

Really?  If look markets it is more like el cheapo (except quality)

8 channel cheap LA probe, N2755A from Keysight:
https://www.datatec.eu/en/keysight-n2755a-mso-logik-kabel

Or from Tektronix P6316  16 channel:
https://www.distrelec.nl/en/mso-probe-16-channel-for-mso3000-40v-tektronix-p6316/p/17623517?track=true&no-cache=true&marketingPopup=false

[tautech]

Normal SLA2016 pricing is outrageous....

Really?  If look markets it is more like el cheapo (except quality)

8 channel cheap LA probe, N2755A from Keysight:
https://www.datatec.eu/en/keysight-n2755a-mso-logik-kabel

Or from Tektronix P6316  16 channel:
https://www.distrelec.nl/en/mso-probe-16-channel-for-mso3000-40v-tektronix-p6316/p/17623517?track=true&no-cache=true&marketingPopup=false

Yes really.
It's a 3rd party device with little reason to be so expensive at normal pricing.
https://siglentna.com/product/spl2016-16-channel-logic-probe-for-mso-option-sds2000x-oscilloscope-family/
Whereas I have no problem with the cost of MSO option pricing, after all there must be some ROI for development costs.
https://siglentna.com/product/16-digital-channelssoftware/

So lets look at what we might instead buy for the $379 SLA2016 price......maybe a nice little 200 MHz SDS1202X-E DSO where the development and IP is certainly Siglent based and if we look at each of the HW, SDS1202X-E and SLA2016, please tell me which is the best value for money.
https://siglentna.com/product/sds1202x-e/

Instead, SLA2016, MSO and FG option licenses for $ 220 on promotion is incredible value.

[BillyO]

Weren't these supposed to go on sale this week?

[tautech]

Weren't these supposed to go on sale this week?

Many models have.
Here's the info for the SDS2000X Plus range:
https://int.siglent.com/info/detail-63.html