Siglent SDS2000X Plus

[tautech]

Adding trace labels is shit easy:
Plug in a mouse and use the virtual QWERTY keyboard....takes just seconds.

[TK]

Adding trace labels is shit easy:
Plug in a mouse and use the virtual QWERTY keyboard....takes just seconds.

It is not what maxspb69 asked:

"It would be great if the Siglent can add text labels anywhere on the screen."  Trace labels are not text labels / annotations and cannot be placed anywhere you like.

[Martin72]

I use windows paint for this.

[TK]

What probes are included from the factory with this machine?

• SDS2104X+: 4x PP215 - Correct?
• SDS2204X+: 4x PP430 ?
• SDS2354X+: 4x PP430 ?

My SDS2104X+ came with PP510, the 100MHz Siglent probes.

Same here. Ordered an SDS2104X+ from tequipment.net, which arrived yesterday, and it came with 4x PP510 100MHz probes. 

Ask them to replace them with PP215's as listed in the datasheet.

Received my unit today from tequipment... calibration date is February 2021, received 4 x PP510 probes.  It is clear by now that someone at the factory decided to cut some cost

Siglent North America exchanged the 4xPP510 probes that was included in the box for 4xPP215s. 

[Michael YYZ]

I picked up my SDS2104X Plus today. The date on the Certificate of Calibration is 7 March 2021 (a Sunday!). I had ordered it on 26 March.

It came with four PP215 200 MHz probes. Also, the six optional features have been pre-installed from the factory. The temporary options are: MSO, SENT and Manch, and of course the Bandwidth upgrade. What’s are SENT and Manch options good for?

I connected the scope to my network via LAN and I ❤️  how I could not only monitor the scope but also control it via the web browser on my MacBook Pro, iPad Pro, iPhone, or even via my 21” Wacom tablet - all simultaneously! I can even mirror the screen of my devices onto my 65” TV or 133” FP screen. It’s super amazing!  This is a much better feature than an HDMI output - like Rigol’s - which provides only one-way communication to one TV.

[tautech]

What’s are SENT and Manch options good for?

They're decodes that were added in the last firmware update after the promotion was launched.
They each have 30 trial usages before they stop working.

[Michael YYZ]

So digital stuff?

They're decodes that were added in the last firmware update after the promotion was launched.
They each have 30 trial usages before they stop working.

[Michael YYZ]

OK, I’ve found relevant coding info:

• SENT: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SENT_(protocol)
• Manch: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_code

Thanks!

They're decodes that were added in the last firmware update after the promotion was launched.
They each have 30 trial usages before they stop working.

[tautech]

So digital stuff?

They're decodes that were added in the last firmware update after the promotion was launched.
They each have 30 trial usages before they stop working.

Yes, digital protocols. You may never need of want them, that's why they are optional. 

[Michael YYZ]

Most likely not. As a simple hobbyist I’m not much into digital stuff... although it’d be fun to learn some more.

Yes, digital protocols. You may never need of want them, that's why they are optional. 

[highpower]

Quote from: highpower on March 27, 2021, 03:43:04 am

Oddly enough I just bought a SDS2204X Plus and it came with 4x SP2035, 350 MHz probes in the box. 

Nice, those are ~$160 probes

Best,

My original plan was to use a set of Probemaster 200 MHz (auto sense) probes that I have, that I bought for a Tektronix TDS360 and use the PP215 probes for the Tek scope instead. But since the BW can be upgraded on the SDS2204x+ it makes more sense now to use the SP2035 probes they sent with it. I would like to have used the auto sense probes for the Siglent though. Shame they didn't include SP2035A probes instead. 
I'm KIDDING by the way!     I'm certainly not going to look a gift horse in the mouth. In fact I've already ordered the logic probes and demo/training board to give something in return for their (accidental -  I'm sure) generosity on the probes.

[Michael YYZ]

What is the “Tek Mode” (Tektronix?  ) in the Utility menu?

[tautech]

What is the “Tek Mode” (Tektronix?  ) in the Utility menu?

Buried back on P46 of this thread:

In Tek Mode, the SCPI commands that the instrument understands are adapted to match those of Tektronix.

[Michael YYZ]

I noticed something else:

When activating Tek mode the trace labels on the left edge of the screen are reset vertically to ‘0’ (middle of screen) and the vertical position is indicated in terms of division shift amount relative to the preset trace offset set in the channel settings menu, rather than in absolute voltage shift values.

Is this how Tektronix scopes work? (I am not familiar with them.)

It’s weird that there’s no indication about “Tek Mode” in the User Manual. Maybe it’s a newer feature introduced in one of the latest firmware updates. Perhaps there are other differences, too. Is there a way to obtain official information on this feature from Siglent?

Buried back on P46 of this thread:

In Tek Mode, the SCPI commands that the instrument understands are adapted to match those of Tektronix.

[sdouble]

It did use my 4 units intensively in the last 5 weeks.
I used them exclusively from a remote location due to the radioactive environment in which the scopes were.
I do monitor analog signal but I struggle a lot seing the grid on my remote browser.
It'sok when looking locally, but the grid is rather weak on the web browser.
any hint ?

[Martin72]

Maybe it’s a newer feature introduced in one of the latest firmware updates.

No, it´s there since in the beginning:

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds2000x-plus-coming/msg2926166/#msg2926166

And yes, there is not a single reference to it in the manual - Every point from the "utilities" menu will be described in chapter 30, even the debug thing, but not the tek mode.
Strange...

[tautech]

It did use my 4 units intensively in the last 5 weeks.
I used them exclusively from a remote location due to the radioactive environment in which the scopes were.
I do monitor analog signal but I struggle a lot seing the grid on my remote browser.
It'sok when looking locally, but the grid is rather weak on the web browser.
any hint ?

Display>Grid brightness....you may need to scroll down the menu to see it.
Normal default setting is OK in a not too bright lab but too dim for screenshots and webrowser work. Increase it to ~60% and it will bee much better.

[Michael YYZ]

Yes, the grids are fainter in a browser.
Try: Display -> Menu -> Graticule -> 100%.
The default is 20%. I keep mine normally at 30% and increase it to 70% when monitoring in a browser.

It did use my 4 units intensively in the last 5 weeks.
I used them exclusively from a remote location due to the radioactive environment in which the scopes were.
I do monitor analog signal but I struggle a lot seing the grid on my remote browser.
It'sok when looking locally, but the grid is rather weak on the web browser.
any hint ?

[Michael YYZ]

Weird, eh?

This is what I discovered (see also above):

“When activating Tek mode the trace labels on the left edge of the screen are reset vertically to ‘0’ (middle of screen) and the vertical position is indicated in terms of division shift amount relative to the preset trace offset set in the channel settings menu, rather than in absolute voltage shift values.”

Plus, the SCPI commands thing pointed out by tautech. I wonder if there’s anything else...

No, it´s there since in the beginning:

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds2000x-plus-coming/msg2926166/#msg2926166

And yes, there is not a single reference to it in the manual - Every point from the "utilities" menu will be described in chapter 30, even the debug thing, but not the tek mode.
Strange...

[DL2XY]

In Tek Mode there is an additional offset adjustment in Channel Menu, just like on TDSxxxx Models.

[Michael YYZ]

What is the difference between this “Offset” adjustment and the vertical “Position” adjustment?

In Tek Mode there is an additional offset adjustment in Channel Menu, just like on TDSxxxx Models.
(Attachment Link)

[mubes]

Folks,

I just contributed changes to scopehal to support SDS2000X+. Although scopehal works perfectly well as a scope front end the speed at which you can pull data off the 2000X+ means it's much better suited as a post-processing tool for all sorts of applications....here's it being used for SWD decode on some pretty awfully probed SWDIO/SWCLK signals, for example;

Scopehal, and this driver, should be considered alpha quality and there's work needed, but if anyone fancies helping out with some testing and even coding feel free to head over to https://github.com/azonenberg/scopehal-apps and take a look. There is a supporting discord channel too.

DAVE

[Michael YYZ]

My scope’s serial number is like SDS2PDDC5R****. I’m not sure if it’s production post the range that you indicated. The certificate of calibration is dated 7 March 2021.

The fan makes an audible hissing noise which is amplified by the scope housing and can be heard even from a couple of metres away in a quiet room. But I can also hear a buzzing noise from the machine - perhaps lower than 100 Hz, I am not sure - which I am not certain if it’s generated by the fan or by the electronics inside (e.g. the SMPS, 60 Hz mains frequency). Is this buzzing sound normal?

Through the vents at the back I can see the fan is an ADDA, Model AD0912DS-A70GL. According to the specs it should generate 22 dB/A noise (http://www.addausa.com/specifications/92-120.pdf)

New stock SDS2104X Plus SN# range SDS2PDDD4R1*** are somewhat quieter than earlier units and it seems a slower fan has now been fitted.
Earlier Plus units were louder than SDS5000X once their smart fan had kicked back after boot but now they're about equal for fan noise.

[Michael YYZ]

On another note, I noticed a minor, but nice touch at this scope. Maybe someone else pointed this out before but, if so, I’d like to reiterate it.

When the scope is off, but not unplugged from the mains, the power button would still glow green faintly. It could come in very handy in a dimly lit environment. As Dave Jones would famously say: “I like it!”

[highpower]

When the scope is off, but not unplugged from the mains, the power button would still glow green faintly. It could come in very handy in a dimly lit environment. As Dave Jones would famously say: “I like it!”

In this video it appears to pulse rather than glow steadily?

https://youtu.be/TcrSmweH5_w?t=200