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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #2000 on: September 30, 2020, 04:01:07 pm »
Promotion running:
https://int.siglent.com/info/detail-42.html
Condition:
The SDS2000X Plus series oscilloscopes must be purchased from an authorized SIGLENT distributor.

We are happy to announce that we are decreasing the price of two SDS2000X Plus models (SDS2204X Plus and SDS2354X Plus models only) starting on October 1st, 2020.
 
For a limited time, all new SDS2000X Plus purchases include a free option bundle, including 4 high performance serial decoding protocol options, function generator control, and the new power analysis functions.
 
Easily save up to $1764 with a new SDS2000X Plus Oscilloscope and Option Bundle now!
 
SDS2000XP-IIS: Decode I2S digital audio signals
SDS2000XP -FlexRay: Analyze Serial Flexray encoded signals
SDS2000XP -1553B: Decode Mil-1553B serial communications
SDS2000XP -CANFD: Analyze CANFD serial signals
SDS2000XP -PA: Power Analysis activation license (Requires external DF2001A deskew fixture) 
SDS2000XP -FG: Built-in 50 MHz arbitrary/function waveform generator



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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #2001 on: September 30, 2020, 04:51:34 pm »
Is the LCD backlight LED or CCFL?
 

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #2002 on: September 30, 2020, 05:51:28 pm »

AC RMS is Stdev ... ^-^

Please see attached red-circled measurements from my KS - the "RMS without DC" is called "AC RMS" and "Std Dev" is a statistical standard deviation of measurement values. This "RMS without DC" measurement on a Siglent (and some others) are called "Stdev". Threw me for a loop a few times until I got it straight.

Never thought about the AC RMS (DMM) and Std Dev relationship, thanks for pointing that out 2N3055.

In the KS 34465A (TrueVolt) the RMS value is achieved in a different manner than with the older 34401A which used a "Analog RMS (AD636) circuit". Think this is a sampled data type RMS computation, rather than an Analog type RMS computation.

Best,

This got my curiosity going after I did a partial calibration of an HP34401A and a Agilent 34401A using some of the custom developed Reference Circuits & PCBs. These circuits are based upon a couple of Precision Buried Zeners (LM399 & LTZ1000) and a Analog Devices IC reference, and one circuit uses a CMOS precision chopper circuit to produce a very accurate AC waveform derived from a precision voltage reference and a crystal oscillator at 4.096MHz divided down with a precise 50% duty cycle (guaranteed by design). A new Keysight 34465A was used as the standard measurement, and the HP and Agilent 34401A also used.

First off DC measurements of the SDS2102X Plus input using statistics of C1

Input KS34465A of 5.00021VDC, DSO reads Mean C1 5.000398VDC (mean of mean)
Input of 10.00001VDC, DSO reads 10.0031VDC
Input of 7.04184VDC, DSO reads 7.04192VDC
Input of 0.99985VDC, DSO reads 999.39mvDC
Input of 100.0073mvDC, DSO reads 99.825mvDC

Now AC measurement with 50% duty cycle square wave of 5.00021V peak value, so Mean & StdDev (RMS) should be 5.00021/2 or 2.500011V

Input at 250Hz KS34465A 2.49993VAC, DSO reads 2.4916VDC (mean) and 2.5085VAC (stddev)
500Hz 2.49993VAC, DSO reads 2.4912VDC & 2.5094VAC
1KHz 2.49886VAC, DSO reads 2.4910VDC & 2.5095VAC
4KHz 2.49452VAC, DSO reads 2.4913VDC & 2.5092VAC
8KHz 2.48868VAC, DSO reads 2.4921VDC & 2.5085VAC

Note: The peak to peak readings of ~6Vpp include waveform ringing.

This is better performance than I would expect from this DSO :-+

Don't know if I got lucky or this is typical performance from the SDS2102X Plus, maybe others could make some measurements ::)

Edit: In the 2 last PCB images the LTZ1000 Buried Zener Reference isn't installed (LM399 is), I forgot to order the proper Op-Amp that works with this reference  :o

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« Last Edit: September 30, 2020, 07:02:13 pm by mawyatt »
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #2003 on: September 30, 2020, 06:59:53 pm »
Here's the setup, note the HP34401A (vertical), Agilent 34401A and Keysight 34465A readings on AC, then on DC, and how they agree with the SDS2102X Plus. Note the long twisted wires are solid copper and help with thermal EMF, as do the gold plated banana connectors. Gold plated copper has a low thermal EMF and good corrosion & electrical resistance.

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #2004 on: September 30, 2020, 07:51:50 pm »
Is the LCD backlight LED or CCFL?

I strongly believe, it´s LED.
In the menu, you can dim the backlight.
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #2005 on: September 30, 2020, 08:17:33 pm »
Promotion running:
https://int.siglent.com/info/detail-42.html
Condition:
The SDS2000X Plus series oscilloscopes must be purchased from an authorized SIGLENT distributor.

We are happy to announce that we are decreasing the price of two SDS2000X Plus models (SDS2204X Plus and SDS2354X Plus models only) starting on October 1st, 2020.
 
For a limited time, all new SDS2000X Plus purchases include a free option bundle, including 4 high performance serial decoding protocol options, function generator control, and the new power analysis functions.
 
Easily save up to $1764 with a new SDS2000X Plus Oscilloscope and Option Bundle now!
 
SDS2000XP-IIS: Decode I2S digital audio signals
SDS2000XP -FlexRay: Analyze Serial Flexray encoded signals
SDS2000XP -1553B: Decode Mil-1553B serial communications
SDS2000XP -CANFD: Analyze CANFD serial signals
SDS2000XP -PA: Power Analysis activation license (Requires external DF2001A deskew fixture) 
SDS2000XP -FG: Built-in 50 MHz arbitrary/function waveform generator

:blah:

WOW  :--

Why not lowering the price of the SDS2104X Plus, and provide the keygen for free, THAT would be a real deal......

Oh Wait I see the keygen is already for free  :)
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #2006 on: September 30, 2020, 08:22:24 pm »
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Why not lowering the price of the SDS2104X Plus

For what you´re getting for, the price is more than ok... ;)
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #2007 on: September 30, 2020, 08:25:13 pm »
Promotion running:
https://int.siglent.com/info/detail-42.html
Condition:
The SDS2000X Plus series oscilloscopes must be purchased from an authorized SIGLENT distributor.

We are happy to announce that we are decreasing the price of two SDS2000X Plus models (SDS2204X Plus and SDS2354X Plus models only) starting on October 1st, 2020.
 
For a limited time, all new SDS2000X Plus purchases include a free option bundle, including 4 high performance serial decoding protocol options, function generator control, and the new power analysis functions.
 
Easily save up to $1764 with a new SDS2000X Plus Oscilloscope and Option Bundle now!
 
SDS2000XP-IIS: Decode I2S digital audio signals
SDS2000XP -FlexRay: Analyze Serial Flexray encoded signals
SDS2000XP -1553B: Decode Mil-1553B serial communications
SDS2000XP -CANFD: Analyze CANFD serial signals
SDS2000XP -PA: Power Analysis activation license (Requires external DF2001A deskew fixture) 
SDS2000XP -FG: Built-in 50 MHz arbitrary/function waveform generator

:blah:

WOW  :--

Why not lowering the price of the SDS2104X Plus, and provide the keygen for free, THAT would be a real deal......

Oh Wait I see the keygen is already for free  :)

C'mon, don't be an ass.. No need for sarcasm..

There are people that want or have to buy scope with all legal options.. It IS a good news for them..
You can still buy cheapest one and do the "liberation" if you  don't mind/care for moral/legal part.
 
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #2008 on: September 30, 2020, 08:32:10 pm »
Promotion running:
https://int.siglent.com/info/detail-42.html
Condition:
The SDS2000X Plus series oscilloscopes must be purchased from an authorized SIGLENT distributor.

We are happy to announce that we are decreasing the price of two SDS2000X Plus models (SDS2204X Plus and SDS2354X Plus models only) starting on October 1st, 2020.
 
For a limited time, all new SDS2000X Plus purchases include a free option bundle, including 4 high performance serial decoding protocol options, function generator control, and the new power analysis functions.
 
Easily save up to $1764 with a new SDS2000X Plus Oscilloscope and Option Bundle now!
 
SDS2000XP-IIS: Decode I2S digital audio signals
SDS2000XP -FlexRay: Analyze Serial Flexray encoded signals
SDS2000XP -1553B: Decode Mil-1553B serial communications
SDS2000XP -CANFD: Analyze CANFD serial signals
SDS2000XP -PA: Power Analysis activation license (Requires external DF2001A deskew fixture) 
SDS2000XP -FG: Built-in 50 MHz arbitrary/function waveform generator

:blah:

WOW  :--

Why not lowering the price of the SDS2104X Plus, and provide the keygen for free, THAT would be a real deal......

Oh Wait I see the keygen is already for free  :)

C'mon, don't be an ass.. No need for sarcasm..

There are people that want or have to buy scope with all legal options.. It IS a good news for them..
You can still buy cheapest one and do the "liberation" if you  don't mind/care for moral/legal part.
:blah: :blah: :blah:
 

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #2009 on: September 30, 2020, 08:38:40 pm »
 

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #2010 on: September 30, 2020, 09:10:07 pm »
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There are people that want or have to buy scope with all legal options.. It IS a good news for them.. ;)
You can still buy cheapest one and do the "liberation" if you  don't mind/care for moral/legal part.

Or warranty.. ;)
Apart from this, companies MUST do it in a legal way, such for free bundles are very welcome then.  8)
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #2011 on: October 01, 2020, 07:34:27 am »
Im pretty sure Elasia has a 2104X Plus !
 
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #2012 on: October 01, 2020, 11:15:03 am »
I was able to test my new 2104X Plus a bit more.
But I can't display cursors during an automatic measurement (like rise time for example).
Is there a way to display them ?

Thank you  :)
 

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #2013 on: October 01, 2020, 05:55:38 pm »
Im pretty sure Elasia has a 2104X Plus !

Correct, wasnt me, I have the 2104

Only thing i've mentioned is the codes for the 70 versions were in the codebase and keyed, but i thought someone in china did have one but long forgot who
 

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #2014 on: October 01, 2020, 07:49:47 pm »
Promotion running:
https://int.siglent.com/info/detail-42.html
Condition:
The SDS2000X Plus series oscilloscopes must be purchased from an authorized SIGLENT distributor.

We are happy to announce that we are decreasing the price of two SDS2000X Plus models (SDS2204X Plus and SDS2354X Plus models only) starting on October 1st, 2020.
 
For a limited time, all new SDS2000X Plus purchases include a free option bundle, including 4 high performance serial decoding protocol options, function generator control, and the new power analysis functions.
 
Easily save up to $1764 with a new SDS2000X Plus Oscilloscope and Option Bundle now!
 
SDS2000XP-IIS: Decode I2S digital audio signals
SDS2000XP -FlexRay: Analyze Serial Flexray encoded signals
SDS2000XP -1553B: Decode Mil-1553B serial communications
SDS2000XP -CANFD: Analyze CANFD serial signals
SDS2000XP -PA: Power Analysis activation license (Requires external DF2001A deskew fixture) 
SDS2000XP -FG: Built-in 50 MHz arbitrary/function waveform generator


Tau can you explain this promo... the "savings" $1764 - $200 off a scope leaves 1564 dollars for options?  Thats ALL options to get that amount??

Thats a hell of a deal if its fully unlocked out of the box

Forgot to add the NA link with more details

https://siglentna.com/news-article/save-up-to-1764-with-a-new-sds2000x-plus-oscilloscope-and-option-bundle/

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #2015 on: October 01, 2020, 07:59:25 pm »
Tau can you explain this promo...
No, not fully.

Factory on holiday for a week and just spotted it as they left for their break so didn't get the full rundown on it before they left. However it's not for the full package of options only a selected few and just for the 200 and 350 MHz models.
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #2016 on: October 01, 2020, 08:08:43 pm »
The logic analyzer option is missing in this package, but only this one, nothing more.

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and just for the 200 and 350 MHz models.

Makes sense from the sight auf siglent´s view.
While everyone would buy the 100Mhz version, the 200 and 350Mhz are only interesting for the "pros", therefore it´s an offer for them.
The others getting it for free at every time.  ;)
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #2017 on: October 01, 2020, 09:09:56 pm »
Tau can you explain this promo...
No, not fully.

Factory on holiday for a week and just spotted it as they left for their break so didn't get the full rundown on it before they left. However it's not for the full package of options only a selected few and just for the 200 and 350 MHz models.
I am not sure, promotion says for ANY SDS2000X plus and it is for all the options except for MSO
 
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #2018 on: October 01, 2020, 11:02:06 pm »
Tau can you explain this promo...
No, not fully.

Factory on holiday for a week and just spotted it as they left for their break so didn't get the full rundown on it before they left. However it's not for the full package of options only a selected few and just for the 200 and 350 MHz models.

Yeah go go national holiday.. my board house bailed on me right after getting parts on order for assembly lol

So yeah.. then those 6 listed options promo for all plus units and then knocking 200 bucks off the 200/350 models

I'll be picking up one of these at work and throwing on the LA
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #2019 on: October 02, 2020, 02:12:27 pm »
How would you feel if you purchased this scope a couple of weeks back with options, and discover it is now $1000.. $1500 cheaper ?


 

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #2020 on: October 02, 2020, 04:32:26 pm »
How would you feel if you purchased this scope a couple of weeks back with options, and discover it is now $1000.. $1500 cheaper ?
Same as everybody else who buys anything four days before it goes on sale....
What do you think how people felt if they bought 500MHz version of R&S RTM3000 for 12000€ a week before it went on sale for 8500€ for fully unlocked 1 GHz version..
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #2021 on: October 02, 2020, 05:27:02 pm »
They are not stupid, they have flexibility.
It is the story of my life to buy something some days before a worldwide promotion   :palm:

But with a nice little email, I always managed to get the promotion :)
If you bought it 1 year ago it's not the same story of course.
 

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #2022 on: October 02, 2020, 05:29:52 pm »
How would you feel if you purchased this scope a couple of weeks back with options, and discover it is now $1000.. $1500 cheaper ?
Same as everybody else who buys anything four days before it goes on sale....
What do you think how people felt if they bought 500MHz version of R&S RTM3000 for 12000€ a week before it went on sale for 8500€ for fully unlocked 1 GHz version..
Life sucks, buy a helmet...

I know a big French company that bought 2 fully loaded RTM3000 at the full price DURING the promotion  :-DD
 

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #2023 on: October 02, 2020, 07:50:04 pm »
How would you feel if you purchased this scope a couple of weeks back with options, and discover it is now $1000.. $1500 cheaper ?
Same as everybody else who buys anything four days before it goes on sale....
What do you think how people felt if they bought 500MHz version of R&S RTM3000 for 12000€ a week before it went on sale for 8500€ for fully unlocked 1 GHz version..
Life sucks, buy a helmet...

I know a big French company that bought 2 fully loaded RTM3000 at the full price DURING the promotion  :-DD

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X Plus
« Reply #2024 on: October 02, 2020, 08:50:54 pm »
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But with a nice little email, I always managed to get the promotion

It´s always better to talk to the sales manager in case of special offers, apart from any promo thing...
The WS3024 from lecroy we bought by R+S, plus decoding options for appx 1000 bucks additional.
As "our" salesmanager from lecroy heard about it, he told us we are stupid, why we didn´t ask him, he would gave us the options for free.. :(
A year later, we wanted to have at least two "big" scopes from lecroy and remembering his words.
So we got an HDO6034A with decoding and power analyzis options and an Waverunner 9054 with the same options for totally 42% off... 8)
Wish I had a sales manger when I bought my SDS2104X+.... ;)
Or for the 5000.... :-X :D
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