Siglent SDS2000X Plus

[Elasia]

I just found out how much the ..

SPL2016 16 Digital Channel Logic Probe for SDS2000X Series  retail for 

Is there an in-depth review OR teardown on these puppies ??

Just curious why such a premium price 

Are there any 3rd party devices that can be used instead ...

Just curious at your personal experience with using the SDS2000X Series for logic analysis - or should I stay clear and get some dedicated kit 

User TK makes cheaper custom ones

Here are some pics

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds2000x-plus-coming/msg3079002/#msg3079002

And yeah they price gouge the logic probe, i bought one before TK put that up, it does work nicely and the clips are grade A so cant really complain other than price

Logic decode and trigger is a lot of what i do, i like the overlay ability and the decode options, check out the pic and you will see my can data being decoded on the very bottom bars

The biggest feature but is common to all decoding scopes... being able to align analog events to digital events

[Martin72]

Siglent deskew fixure :

Still the delivery status is on "Paid"....after 11days I´ve payed directly for this.
Siglent.eu ? Never more...

[Elasia]

Siglent deskew fixure :

Still the delivery status is on "Paid"....after 11days I´ve payed directly for this.
Siglent.eu ? Never more...

I bit the bullet and ordered from saelig two days ago and now in the same boat.. i do like the sales lady there.. she let me know its a siglent issue and they are backed up on orders atm

It will take them a few weeks to send saelig my parts and then saelig send them to me... my product is less than a 1 hour drive from me in a warehouse lol

[DL2XY]

I just found out how much the ..

SPL2016 16 Digital Channel Logic Probe for SDS2000X Series  retail for 

Is there an in-depth review OR teardown on these puppies ??

Just curious why such a premium price 

Are there any 3rd party devices that can be used instead ...

Just curious at your personal experience with using the SDS2000X Series for logic analysis - or should I stay clear and get some dedicated kit 

This one I have designed for personal use in my HAM-Radio shack / lab.





It is basicly a small size direct adapter from standard dupond clamps to siglent edge-connetor.

Design goals:
- fully  compatible to original probe
- less expensive
- small form factor
- very low input capacitance
- very high channel uniformity
- mimimzed crosstalk between channels

Realization:
- 10:1 fully compensated voltage divider
- impedance controlled layout
- precision CNC milled housing shells (POM)
- edge connector design according to socket-manufactor datasheet
- input impedance 100k | 2pF
- channel skew difference <= 0.3% FSmax
- gain tolerance <= 1%


This direct adapter approch has it's pro's and con's.

Pro:
- lower cost (no expensive special ribbon coax cable)
- much lower input capacitance (2pF against 18pF)

Con:
- DUT should be located relativly close to scope to avoid cross coupling on too long clamp wires



Progress:
I am testing the first prototype at the moment. So far with very satisfying results.
Digital signals from 1Vpp to 20Vpp are reproduced very accurate, measurements of period und pulswidth are on par with generator setting.
Analog signals are discriminated with low jitter regardless of frequency and risetime, you can clearly measure the hysteresys of the scope internal comparators.
Next tests will be the effect of considerable longer clamp cables on crosscoupling and ringing  with hight slewrate pulses (20Vpp / 800ps), stay tuned...

PS: I think I could convince my CEO to produce a small batch at a reasonable prize.

 

[Joao Carvalho]

Hello DL2XY,
Depending on the price and if the cables can be a little longer without degrading to much the specs, I’m very interested.
Thank you,
Best regards,
João Carvalho

[thinkfat]

The cables not being in close vicinity to each other, crosscoupling might not be an issue, but the long signal return loop somehow bothers me.

[arturfra]

But the 2074 is hackable to 500mhz as the 2104??

[Elasia]

But the 2074 is hackable to 500mhz as the 2104??

More than likely

[Martin72]

2074 ?!

[Elasia]

2074 ?!

Fabled China only version.. the codes exist for it

[Martin72]

China only...then it´s fully uninteresting in several ways.
Additional, I can´t get the 70 Mhz thing all chinese manufactors got this in their portfolio.

[tv84]

Additional, I can´t get the 70 Mhz thing all chinese manufactors got this in their portfolio.

It's an astronomical constant. 

[Martin72]

 

[Elasia]

Additional, I can´t get the 70 Mhz thing all chinese manufactors got this in their portfolio.

It's an astronomical constant. 

lol

Martin any news on the deskew? Nothing here.. zzz

[tautech]

But the 2074 is hackable to 500mhz as the 2104??

More than likely

Did you miss this from Tankj ?
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds2000x-plus-coming/msg3093489/#msg3093489

[Martin72]

Martin any news on the deskew?

Wait….look for the Status....


No..nothing new...

[Elasia]

But the 2074 is hackable to 500mhz as the 2104??

More than likely

Did you miss this from Tankj ?
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds2000x-plus-coming/msg3093489/#msg3093489

Yeah i didnt see him sneak in a comment

[tautech]

But the 2074 is hackable to 500mhz as the 2104??

More than likely

Did you miss this from Tankj ?
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds2000x-plus-coming/msg3093489/#msg3093489

Yeah i didnt see him sneak in a comment

Add his flag to what he said and put 2+2 together. 

[noreply]

Using a good and cheap SDR RX and TX (transmitter), the Analog Devices PlutoSDR it costs on Mouser  133 euros.

Brilliant device - worth every euro 

- did the TXO mod
- using GNURadio (still learning) - can make virtually any RF output & modulation - from 70MHz up to 6GHZ
- great companion to any SSA 

[noreply]

It is basicly a small size direct adapter from standard dupond clamps to siglent edge-connetor.

Design goals:
- fully  compatible to original probe
- less expensive
- small form factor
- very low input capacitance
- very high channel uniformity
- mimimzed crosstalk between channels

Realization:
- 10:1 fully compensated voltage divider
- impedance controlled layout
- precision CNC milled housing shells (POM)
- edge connector design according to socket-manufactor datasheet
- input impedance 100k | 2pF
- channel skew difference <= 0.3% FSmax
- gain tolerance <= 1%


This direct adapter approch has it's pro's and con's.

Pro:
- lower cost (no expensive special ribbon coax cable)
- much lower input capacitance (2pF against 18pF)

Con:
- DUT should be located relativly close to scope to avoid cross coupling on too long clamp wires


PS: I think I could convince my CEO to produce a small batch at a reasonable prize.

 

This is Great

Thank You for sharing 

[2N3055]

Hello noreply,

I have seen in this vídeo that with some programs it can go down to 46 MHz.
“Here we take a look at the ADALM-PLUTO frequency expansion modification to give us 70 MHz through to 6GHz. Mine actually went as low as 46MHz!!”


Best regards,
João Carvalho

Please don't get this in a wrong way, but I would suggest you should move this discussion of yours to a separate topic. It is way off topic here, and interesting enough to deserve separate topic.

Regards,

Sinisa

[tautech]

Frequency response is demonstrated in reply #34:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds2000x-plus-coming/msg2787168/#msg2787168

[Joao Carvalho]

Thank you very much tautech,

I have read literally, all the posts of this thread in a long long night without sleep and that was the reason I bought this scope.

I didn’t remember that a FFT graph in the range from 0 Hz to 1 GHz for this scope, taken with a high precision signal generator was in one of the posts.

With that I can now start doing my “homework”!
Buy the PlutoSDR and do my part by writing all the needed code for Pluto to generate the “cooked” waveforms, for connecting to the scope to retrieve the data, for the final program and for the mathematical validation of the code of the FDE – Frequency Domain Equalizer.

When the open source program is finished, I will post a link for it here to the github project and try to validate all the procedure and results with the lower bandwidth of 20 MHz 8 bits (up to 40 MHz) and up to 120MHz in the 10 bit mode. If that works, the community can then confirm if it works well, all the way up to 950 MHz. My target platforms will be Linux and Windows, but it will be made in Python and maybe a bit of C so in principal it will also work for MAC.

Thank you very much, the ball and the hot plate is on my side now.   

Best regards,
João Carvalho

[Elasia]

I'd only call it border line off topic because its still relevant with hardly any of us have a 5k usd rf generator to qualify probes and hardware we are tinkering with..

That said they could all be copied to a new post / thread as well as its a very interesting topic in its own right.. i will only be buying this product because it was brought up here and Joao's excellent descriptions

[Martin72]

Siglent deskew fixure :

Still the delivery status is on "Paid"....after 11days I´ve payed directly for this.
Siglent.eu ? Never more...

Status changed, wo-hoo..