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Re: Siglent SDS2000X HD, 12bit, 2GSa/s high definition oscilloscope serie.
« Reply #850 on: January 11, 2024, 10:09:01 am »
I sent a descriptive email with screenshots to [sales a siglent . com] so let's hope they get how useful this is when doing UART decoding.

I think the correct way to contact Siglent in Europe is either using their web-form:

https://www.siglenteu.com/contact-us/

or this Email address:

info-eu@siglent.com


For the US the website would be

https://siglentna.com/contact-us/

and the email address:

support@siglentna.com

 
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X HD, 12bit, 2GSa/s high definition oscilloscope serie.
« Reply #851 on: January 11, 2024, 11:28:33 am »
Has anyone reverse engineered the schematic for the Siglent deskew fixture?
I wouldn't mind having a go at replicating it.

I saw the thread elsewhere on the forum, but I would like a more close representation, plus I'm interested in seeing the Siglent design.
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X HD, 12bit, 2GSa/s high definition oscilloscope serie.
« Reply #852 on: January 11, 2024, 11:58:14 am »
Hi,
I've drawn the schematic :
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds2000x-plus-coming/msg3128022/#msg3128022
Pages before testing the fixture after arrival.
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X HD, 12bit, 2GSa/s high definition oscilloscope serie.
« Reply #853 on: January 11, 2024, 12:13:48 pm »
Has anyone reverse engineered the schematic for the Siglent deskew fixture?
I wouldn't mind having a go at replicating it.

I saw the thread elsewhere on the forum, but I would like a more close representation, plus I'm interested in seeing the Siglent design.
Best advice is to follow developments in this thread:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/scope-probe-deskew-fixture-pcb-project/
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« Reply #854 on: January 11, 2024, 01:27:33 pm »
Awesome, perfect. Thanks!
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X HD, 12bit, 2GSa/s high definition oscilloscope serie.
« Reply #855 on: January 11, 2024, 04:05:11 pm »
Lots of inspiration in this forum, such as demonstrating deep memory measurements by using the pulse count function. As further refinement, gated measurements can be used in order to ignore unwanted portions of the record.

First the basic pulse measurement without any bells and whistles; a 100 MHz square wave with 1 ns rise time and 50% duty cycle is fed into Ch.4


SDS2504X_HD_Pulses

At a timebase of 2 ms/div the total screen width corresponds to 20 ms and we get close to 2 million pulses in either direction accordingly.

Let’s add a measurement gate. We define it to start at the trigger point at 0.0 ms and to be 1 ms wide:


SDS2504X_HD_Pulses_Gate

We now get a count of ~100k (100 MHz x 0.001 sec.) as expected.

We can engage the zoom view for a closer inspection of the waveform:


SDS2504X_HD_Pulses_Gate_Zoom

We can still see the gating cursors in the main window, but the detailed view with time data is in the zoom window. Since the “B” cursor is outside the zoom window, it is drawn at the right border and the time specification of 1.00 ms is another hint that it is outside the zoom window, which only reaches up to 50 ns.

The gating cursors are fully independent, consequently we can still add the regular cursors (manual/tracking/measurement):


SDS2504X_HD_Pulses_Gate_Zoom_Cursors

With all these information, screen gets a bit busy, but we could also use the traditional info block for the regular cursors and place it at a less disturbing spot.

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X HD, 12bit, 2GSa/s high definition oscilloscope serie.
« Reply #856 on: January 22, 2024, 07:15:34 pm »
I used the Web Server to capture the screen shot.  A nice improvement over other ways of doing this.

The Bode plot is a bit slow but seems to be accurate so no problems for my applications.  I used the internal function generator.  I have a SDG2122X and will try that next.

The FFT is impressive on this scope.  I reviewed the Dave Jones scope FFT video and set up the same signal parameters and was quite happy with the results.

The Batronix board is on the way so more measurements and learning are ahead.

The bottom line, so far, is that this scope is everything I could ask for at the cost I paid.
 
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X HD, 12bit, 2GSa/s high definition oscilloscope serie.
« Reply #857 on: January 22, 2024, 07:29:32 pm »
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The Batronix board is on the way so more measurements and learning are ahead.

I'm pleased about that, because it gives us a "general reference" when we want to discuss situations on the scope. :)
Unfortunately, batronix has not lowered the price after all.
Yes, the Bodeplot is slow, but accurate. :-+
The only thing that bothers me is that you can't set anything else in the mode and that it takes a certain amount of time to exit. :P
But hey, the HD is also more of an analysis instrument, so I'm not really mad about it. ;)
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X HD, 12bit, 2GSa/s high definition oscilloscope serie.
« Reply #858 on: January 31, 2024, 03:44:42 pm »
So, I've seen a lot of discussion and comparison between the SDS2000X-HD and the SDS2000X Plus series, but how does the 2000X-HD compare to the 5000 series? I'm currently in the market for a new scope for work, and I'm trying to decide between the SDS2354X-HD and the SDS5034X.

Things I'm a bit unsure of are: what's the resolution of the ADC on the 5000 series; is there a worthwhile benefit for the 12 bit ADC compared to having 5GSa/s over the 2354X-HD's 2GSa/s? The external arb is kind of a letdown on the 5000 series, but I'm not sure how often I'd be using it anyway.

Currently the 5034X is $3690 US and the 2354X-HD is $4145. Is there something besides the ADC that I'm missing here which would justify the cost?
 

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X HD, 12bit, 2GSa/s high definition oscilloscope serie.
« Reply #859 on: January 31, 2024, 04:16:20 pm »
So, I've seen a lot of discussion and comparison between the SDS2000X-HD and the SDS2000X Plus series, but how does the 2000X-HD compare to the 5000 series? I'm currently in the market for a new scope for work, and I'm trying to decide between the SDS2354X-HD and the SDS5034X.

Things I'm a bit unsure of are: what's the resolution of the ADC on the 5000 series; is there a worthwhile benefit for the 12 bit ADC compared to having 5GSa/s over the 2354X-HD's 2GSa/s? The external arb is kind of a letdown on the 5000 series, but I'm not sure how often I'd be using it anyway.

Currently the 5034X is $3690 US and the 2354X-HD is $4145. Is there something besides the ADC that I'm missing here which would justify the cost?

I would personally chooses the 2000 over the 5000 right now.
Unless you NEED the samplerate
Unless you NEED the probe interface
the 5000X is much older, and has never received some new features (digital filters!)
If i could wait indefinetly i would wait for the 3000HD which is supposed to be the 5000X equivalent for the HD line.. but who knows if/when it will be released...
 
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X HD, 12bit, 2GSa/s high definition oscilloscope serie.
« Reply #860 on: January 31, 2024, 04:25:42 pm »
Well, Martin72 just sold his 2104X-HD.
My bet is that the 3000X-HD is really close to release. Who knows, maybe he even has an early sample.
 

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X HD, 12bit, 2GSa/s high definition oscilloscope serie.
« Reply #861 on: January 31, 2024, 05:01:57 pm »
The word on the web is supposedly before March. 🤷
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X HD, 12bit, 2GSa/s high definition oscilloscope serie.
« Reply #862 on: January 31, 2024, 07:01:35 pm »
So, I've seen a lot of discussion and comparison between the SDS2000X-HD and the SDS2000X Plus series, but how does the 2000X-HD compare to the 5000 series? I'm currently in the market for a new scope for work, and I'm trying to decide between the SDS2354X-HD and the SDS5034X.
5000X is a larger unit with individual vertical controls.
They share the same GUI so are similar to operate.
5000X offers support for active probes.

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Things I'm a bit unsure of are: what's the resolution of the ADC on the 5000 series; is there a worthwhile benefit for the 12 bit ADC compared to having 5GSa/s over the 2354X-HD's 2GSa/s? The external arb is kind of a letdown on the 5000 series, but I'm not sure how often I'd be using it anyway.
5000X = 8 bit
5000X has the bit larger memory depth 250 vs 200 Mpts however both these scopes use dual ADC's, each supporting 2 channels and each ADC has the specified memory depth.

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Currently the 5034X is $3690 US and the 2354X-HD is $4145. Is there something besides the ADC that I'm missing here which would justify the cost?
12 bit ADC cost.

The cat amongst the pigeons will be 12 bit SDS3000X HD coming after the CHY which is the same format as SDS2000X HD but will offer active probe support and 400 Mpts mem depth.
I am told SDS3000X HD is almost silent like SDS2000X HD.
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X HD, 12bit, 2GSa/s high definition oscilloscope serie.
« Reply #863 on: January 31, 2024, 07:24:27 pm »
Things I'm a bit unsure of are: what's the resolution of the ADC on the 5000 series; is there a worthwhile benefit for the 12 bit ADC compared to having 5GSa/s over the 2354X-HD's 2GSa/s? The external arb is kind of a letdown on the 5000 series, but I'm not sure how often I'd be using it anyway.

Currently the 5034X is $3690 US and the 2354X-HD is $4145. Is there something besides the ADC that I'm missing here which would justify the cost?
The SDS5000X is an older 8-bit machine; my biggest grieve with this instrument is the limited resources. Consultants had big plans with it, but as usual, hardware was ready before that and there are some features and functions that never materialized because of the lack of memory and FPGA resources. Only the SDS6000 finally became what the 5000 should actually have been (except for the bandwidth).

I have them all and I certainly prefer the SDS2000X HD as long as I don't need more then 2 GSa/s and 500 MHz bandwidth limited to just two channels and I can live without the active probe interface. Other than that, the SDS2000X HD offers quite a bit more. If you do not only dgital but also analog (which includes EMI, RFI and related topics), then you'll soon value the 12 bits. For signal analysis, the 2000X HD offers four fully featured math channels. Yes, it has multiplexed vertical controls, which is the obvious choice for scopes like this, which can have up to 16 channels active at the same time (input, zoom, memory, math) and they are all controlled by the same pair of gain and offset encoders.

If you don't want to make any compromises, then the upcoming SDS3000X HD will be the right tool for you. It has only sligtly lower sample rate (4 GSa/s instead of 5) and 1 GHz bandwidth only in half-channel mode, but otherwise will be very similar to the up to 1 GHz SDS6000 H12 Pro models (only available in China). I strongly recommend waiting for it.

 
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X HD, 12bit, 2GSa/s high definition oscilloscope serie.
« Reply #864 on: January 31, 2024, 08:06:40 pm »
Thanks y'all. I think I'll pull the trigger on the 2354X-HD as soon as I find one in-stock! I don't think I can justify waiting and the additional cost for the 3000X-HD, whenever it comes out. Maybe the 800-HD series will come out and I'll grab one of those for myself...
 

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X HD, 12bit, 2GSa/s high definition oscilloscope serie.
« Reply #865 on: January 31, 2024, 08:07:06 pm »
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and 1 GHz bandwidth only in half-channel mode

I can live with the 750/800Mhz (both are the limit in the datasheet, somewhat confusing) with 3..4 active channels.
It will be more exciting to see what will happen with the 5000X and 2000X HD when the 3000X HD arrives.
Maybe this is the reason why the prices for the 2000X HD have been reduced in China, maybe this will also happen "here".
On the other hand, I can imagine that the 5000X will be discontinued.
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X HD, 12bit, 2GSa/s high definition oscilloscope serie.
« Reply #866 on: January 31, 2024, 08:20:44 pm »
Thanks y'all. I think I'll pull the trigger on the 2354X-HD as soon as I find one in-stock! I don't think I can justify waiting and the additional cost for the 3000X-HD, whenever it comes out. Maybe the 800-HD series will come out and I'll grab one of those for myself...
Do seriously consider getting the current promotional option bundle too:
https://siglentna.com/news-article/permanent-analysis-bundle-on-your-new-oscilloscope/
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X HD, 12bit, 2GSa/s high definition oscilloscope serie.
« Reply #867 on: January 31, 2024, 08:31:11 pm »
Boy, this I call an offer:
SDS2XHD-BND   -->SPL2016 !!!, SDS2000HD-16LA, SDS2000HD-FG,SDS2000HD-I2S/1553B/FlexRay/CANFD/SENT/Manch all in for $266 :scared:   
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X HD, 12bit, 2GSa/s high definition oscilloscope serie.
« Reply #868 on: January 31, 2024, 08:33:26 pm »
Thanks y'all. I think I'll pull the trigger on the 2354X-HD as soon as I find one in-stock! I don't think I can justify waiting and the additional cost for the 3000X-HD, whenever it comes out. Maybe the 800-HD series will come out and I'll grab one of those for myself...
Both will be available before March.
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X HD, 12bit, 2GSa/s high definition oscilloscope serie.
« Reply #869 on: January 31, 2024, 08:36:42 pm »
Boy, this I call an offer:
SDS2XHD-BND   -->SPL2016 !!!, SDS2000HD-16LA, SDS2000HD-FG,SDS2000HD-I2S/1553B/FlexRay/CANFD/SENT/Manch all in for $266 :scared:
It is but sadly the PA option is not also included.  :(
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X HD, 12bit, 2GSa/s high definition oscilloscope serie.
« Reply #870 on: January 31, 2024, 09:06:47 pm »
This whole bundle is cheaper than the SPL2016 sold individually.
If someone still needs the PA option, they can afford to buy it separately.
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« Reply #871 on: January 31, 2024, 09:10:02 pm »
Both will be available before March.

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X HD, 12bit, 2GSa/s high definition oscilloscope serie.
« Reply #872 on: January 31, 2024, 09:51:36 pm »
"Before March", "after CNY" -- that's a manageable margin of uncertainty.  :)
Now, about the pricing...

We should place bets. Feb 19th? Or is that too quick...
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X HD, 12bit, 2GSa/s high definition oscilloscope serie.
« Reply #873 on: January 31, 2024, 10:47:50 pm »
Gentlemen, we have waiting for "so long", a few weeks more or less won´t count... ;)
When something is officially presented, there will also be prices and datasheets and then all speculation will be a thing of the past.
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X HD, 12bit, 2GSa/s high definition oscilloscope serie.
« Reply #874 on: January 31, 2024, 10:55:21 pm »
And February has one more day...  :palm:
 
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