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Re: Siglent SDS2000X HD, 12bit, 2GSa/s high definition oscilloscope serie.
« Reply #575 on: March 02, 2023, 09:44:19 pm »
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I will add some pictures later to clarify the measurement method.

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Edit : pic from the measure of wfms/s, rigol dho4204 in "normal" mode...

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X HD, 12bit, 2GSa/s high definition oscilloscope serie.
« Reply #576 on: March 03, 2023, 03:16:01 pm »



I will add some pictures later to clarify the measurement method.

Guaranteed max segment speed:
All settings visible in next image are from test using 50ns/div in SDS2000X HD.
Images where is looked signal out from SDS2000X HD  Trigger Out, oscilloscope is SDS2000X Plus.
Generator used in test is SDG1062X.
(note that frequency fine adjusted so that is around 1ppm up from 456 or 457kHz in these images.)

Maximum  average, "up to" segment speed over one sequence:
These all are measured using 160MHz continuous sinewave out from old obsolete SDG5162.
This wfm speed is only for fun or for some experimental playing.

We can still say Sequence acquisition typical maximum speed is 500kwfm/s (inside one sequence).
Guaranteed maximum continuously repeatable speed is, at this time, least 450kwfm/s (inside one sequence).

ETA: Table Note 1. There is "Until now and so far  I have no idea about reason for this random drop out behavior. Perhaps, Least I hope, later this is repaired."
It is there because I have feel that there is some weird thing what lead to these rare random drop outs even down to 456kHz (50ns/div and 80000 segment). Some times with 457kHz test burst it need wait really long time before drop out. Same with example 480kHz, 490kHz... even 500kHz not every sequence fails. What is reason to this random "hick up" what rise time before next trig is possible.
And more reasons. Example SDS2000X Plus (8 bit mode) behave very different. Guaranteed speed borderline is very clear. 517kHz burst pass in long run (also 517.6kHz) and then 518kHz burst fails immediately (clear borderline is between 517.65kHz and 517.75kHz.   just as 0 and 1)
This is also why I hope and also believe it is later improved.






Signal source setup. Ch1 to oscilloscope via coaxial. Ch2 in tracking mode and go to HP53131A with HQ ref for check true freq. This is separated fore make sure that I do not disturb test signal in any case during perhaps several hours running one test period.


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SDS2504X HD display after one sequence (all 80000 segments with every sample dot stacked on top of each other)





Passed test looks like this when no single pulse dropped out when long time run repetitively sequence acquistions (here signal burst period is 2s)
Naturally test need drive long time (also done) before it can say it is passed. Even after then number for quaranteed speed is rounded down based experiencve how it behave near this limit speed.




In this image test is failed. So input signal frequency is too high. After some random time running this test there happen drop out.
If there is dropped example one pulse. Trigger out signal queye is still same length in time but somewhere inside there is one gap without pulse.
Sequence is stopped example to 79999th segment. Then after short time generator start next burst. Missing pulse is now captured and sequence is ready for processing for image. During this time in this case rest of this burst is lost. And then later next burst again and probably ok... until after random time, next burst or after several hours again one pulse drop out. (as long as input is faster than maximum guaranteed speed)



Just for fun, this is how SDS2000X HD Trig out looks when Sequence mode and input is 160MHz and we get inside sequence average speed value 583kwfm/s
Naturally this can use for  some experimental fun pastime experiments.



As previously told Sequence acquistion. 50ns/div, input 160MHz continuous sine. Top of image can see two sequences. (note that gap between sequences depends what need draw to display and how after every sequence captured before next sequence can start.)



ETA: Also need one important extra note. For these tests this is absolutely mandatory: Trigger Holdoff: None!


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Re: Siglent SDS2000X HD, 12bit, 2GSa/s high definition oscilloscope serie.
« Reply #577 on: March 03, 2023, 11:57:51 pm »
All this is looking very interesting, although I´m understanding the half at the moment. ;)
What I got here is the SDG2122X with maximum 120Mhz.
Couldn´t take away a scope from work for this weekend, trying to fix the lecroy ws422 temporary for recreating your tests in the next two days.

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X HD, 12bit, 2GSa/s high definition oscilloscope serie.
« Reply #578 on: March 05, 2023, 04:51:32 pm »
Because previously I have told that SDS2000X Plus behave differently when try evaluate Sequence acquisition maximum guaranteed speed I will add table here for compare.
With SDS2kXPlus model it is very easy and fast to find this guaranteed speed. This limit is so steep. No need wait random worst cases what may happen on next sequence or after half day. There is not this weird random fluctuation in time when next segment can capture.



But this is NOT for start SDS2000X Plus model debate here in this thread what is set for SDS2000X HD. Just only for respond possible curiosity due to my previous words because both are models series 2000X and somehow cousins.
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X HD, 12bit, 2GSa/s high definition oscilloscope serie.
« Reply #579 on: March 05, 2023, 05:33:28 pm »
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because both are models series 2000X and somehow cousins.

With the difference that I could buy three of its "cousins" for one HD.... ;)
The price gap is very high for something that is almost equally equipped.
But that's another story that may become uninteresting with the next software updates for the HD.
Now it's sunday again and I had no time for anything to do with my hobby. :(
I'll take the 1100 siglent home with me tomorrow or the day after, and maybe I'll be able to copy your measurements on one of the evenings.
Until then, I still have time to read up on how you did it. 8)
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X HD, 12bit, 2GSa/s high definition oscilloscope serie.
« Reply #580 on: March 09, 2023, 06:02:08 pm »
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I'll take the 1100 siglent home with me tomorrow or the day after

Or today...Hello little brother. 8)

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X HD, 12bit, 2GSa/s high definition oscilloscope serie.
« Reply #581 on: March 09, 2023, 11:15:50 pm »
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I'll take the 1100 siglent home with me tomorrow or the day after

Or today...Hello little brother. 8)


Oh that 1100, was expecting a SHS1102X.  :palm:

Make sure you get a chance to spend some real time with it as you will be surprised of all the functionality it has in such a little box.
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« Reply #582 on: March 09, 2023, 11:40:41 pm »
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was expecting a SHS1102X

Was the first thought, but this one I can have here for weeks...

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you will be surprised of all the functionality it has in such a little box.

I already got one before rigol mso5000 - Since 2015, I had three different rigol and siglent models.
This was my first siglent. ;)
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X HD, 12bit, 2GSa/s high definition oscilloscope serie.
« Reply #583 on: March 09, 2023, 11:53:22 pm »
This was my first siglent. ;)
It is now quite different since release, many new features have been added but you won't get all unless you update the OS and FW.
Best place to examine all the changes/improvements is here:
https://siglentna.com/wp-content/uploads/dlm_uploads/2022/05/SDS1xx4X-E-Firmware-Revise-History-and-Update-Instructions.pdf
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X HD, 12bit, 2GSa/s high definition oscilloscope serie.
« Reply #584 on: April 12, 2023, 04:22:57 pm »
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X HD, 12bit, 2GSa/s high definition oscilloscope serie.
« Reply #585 on: April 12, 2023, 05:37:07 pm »
still no firmware update for the 2000HD ? ...
 

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« Reply #586 on: April 12, 2023, 08:39:03 pm »
Yes, it seems very unusual.
Reminds me of old bad times with my Rigol(one of the reasons I switched to siglent)....
However, we should not forget the following:
-"Back then" (with the 5000X, 2000X+) the software was still new and needed corrections accordingly, this was not necessary now with the HD.
-The errors are present, but so far there is none that severely restricts the use - Say it is not urgent.
-And let's be honest, with each new update we are actually only excited about what new features awaits us...
-We have been very spoiled by siglent in the past.
-And it may be that the update will be very extensive and therefore a long time passes.
-And finally they still have to do something with the SDS7000A and the 1000HD...

So anyway, my thought processes, if you are friendly to the matter(like I am). ;)
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X HD, 12bit, 2GSa/s high definition oscilloscope serie.
« Reply #587 on: April 28, 2023, 10:56:58 am »
NEW PROMOTION
https://int.siglent.com/info/detail-68.html
Purchase any SDS2000X HD model from 5/1/2023 through 10/31/2023 and get the Power Analysis Option for free.
($ 380 value)

Enquire at your dealer.
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X HD, 12bit, 2GSa/s high definition oscilloscope serie.
« Reply #588 on: April 28, 2023, 12:13:47 pm »
NEW PROMOTION

Purchase any SDS2000X HD model from 5/1/2023 through 10/31/2023 and get the Power Analysis Option for free.
($ 380 value)

Enquire at your dealer.

Doesn't seem very aggressive, in China they are offering one tier of BW upgrade and all options unlocked for any model.
 

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« Reply #589 on: April 28, 2023, 01:02:00 pm »
NEW PROMOTION

Purchase any SDS2000X HD model from 5/1/2023 through 10/31/2023 and get the Power Analysis Option for free.
($ 380 value)

Enquire at your dealer.

Doesn't seem very aggressive, in China they are offering one tier of BW upgrade and all options unlocked for any model.

Just a thought, maybe if they didn't make it this difficult to unlock the options and BW upgrades, they wouldn't have to do this whole discount thing to win back sales.  ::)
 

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Re: Siglent SDS2000X HD, 12bit, 2GSa/s high definition oscilloscope serie.
« Reply #590 on: April 28, 2023, 01:09:04 pm »
Yes, it seems very unusual.
Reminds me of old bad times with my Rigol(one of the reasons I switched to siglent)....
However, we should not forget the following:
-"Back then" (with the 5000X, 2000X+) the software was still new and needed corrections accordingly, this was not necessary now with the HD.
-The errors are present, but so far there is none that severely restricts the use - Say it is not urgent.
-And let's be honest, with each new update we are actually only excited about what new features awaits us...
-We have been very spoiled by siglent in the past.
-And it may be that the update will be very extensive and therefore a long time passes.
-And finally they still have to do something with the SDS7000A and the 1000HD...

So anyway, my thought processes, if you are friendly to the matter(like I am). ;)

yes yes yes, but i want digital filters on the 5000X
wasn't it hinted a while ago to come out for the whole line of scopes?
 

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« Reply #591 on: April 28, 2023, 01:14:44 pm »
Yes, it seems very unusual.
Reminds me of old bad times with my Rigol(one of the reasons I switched to siglent)....
However, we should not forget the following:
-"Back then" (with the 5000X, 2000X+) the software was still new and needed corrections accordingly, this was not necessary now with the HD.
-The errors are present, but so far there is none that severely restricts the use - Say it is not urgent.
-And let's be honest, with each new update we are actually only excited about what new features awaits us...
-We have been very spoiled by siglent in the past.
-And it may be that the update will be very extensive and therefore a long time passes.
-And finally they still have to do something with the SDS7000A and the 1000HD...

So anyway, my thought processes, if you are friendly to the matter(like I am). ;)

yes yes yes, but i want digital filters on the 5000X
wasn't it hinted a while ago to come out for the whole line of scopes?

The filter math functions were added in one of the FW updates, is this the filter function you are referring to?
 

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« Reply #592 on: April 28, 2023, 02:37:28 pm »
Hi,

He meant for his 5000X (wrong thread here ;)), currently the filters are for "our" HD and 6000A avaible.
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Re: Siglent SDS2000X HD, 12bit, 2GSa/s high definition oscilloscope serie.
« Reply #593 on: April 30, 2023, 09:23:40 pm »
The latest firmware updates for various models
SDS1202X-E  27.04.2023
SDS1xx4X     30.03.2023
SDS2000X+  03.04.2023
SDS6000A    25.04.2023

SDS2000X HD ??.??.202?     8)
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Hi,

He meant for his 5000X (wrong thread here ;)), currently the filters are for "our" HD and 6000A avaible.

I meant they were promised in the early days of the 5000X, so i expect them to provide the update to our  not so old scope as well.
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I meant they were promised in the early days of the 5000X, so i expect them to provide the update to our  not so old scope as well.

I had also read that at the time and I believe that was said again not too long ago.
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Maybe I missed it, but how can I manually divide the vertical axis by myself in the Bode Plot ?
I would have liked to change the resolution from 1dB/div. to 0.5dB/div. in that case.

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Maybe I missed it, but how can I manually divide the vertical axis by myself in the Bode Plot ?
I would have liked to change the resolution from 1dB/div. to 0.5dB/div. in that case.

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Vertical scaling is manually set in Configure > Display, screenshot attached.
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RTFM...Again...
Thanks Rob !
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