Siglent SDS2000X HD, 12bit, 2GSa/s high definition oscilloscope serie.

[Martin72]

Please can you explain more about this.

Yesterday I wanted to recreate TopQuark's crash with the scope in zoom mode, I activated two channels and put one signal on each.
Then activated the zoom mode and nothing happened, everything went well.
Then I thought OK, add some measurements, maybe something will happen.
Now I'm used to lecroy menu navigation for two decades...
So I had done it "as always" and selected first the source and then the parameter.
In the case (by chance) RMS and then from channel 2.
Then I wanted to get from channel 4 also the RMS value displayed and wanted to do it again as usual, first the source, then the parameter.
And that had driven me crazy yesterday.
When I had changed the source to channel 4, the previously selected rms from channel 2 was changed to 4.
OK I thought, then select rms first, then the source.
Then when I pressed rms, everything was gone....
Why the hell ?!
Today after sleepimg and working...
...I took the manual and lo and behold, you can't just set something, you have to pay attention to the mode, simple or advanced.
And only in the advanced mode you can proceed as intended and assign the parameters to individual sources....
The problem was once again RTFM - But honestly, intuitively just quickly set something is not there with the siglent, this is much easier with lecroy, because lecroy does not have such a bells and whistles as simple and advanced...
Especially with the word SIMPLE you should expect....
But well, nothing is perfect and now I have learned.

[chipeater]

Hello everyone and thank you for all the info 

Is this scope hackable like the SDS2000X+ ?

Thank you 

[Martin72]

this is much easier with lecroy

I really like the horizontal arrangement of the submenus.
Eight parameters, individually activatable.
And everything you can do with them is visible at a glance.
I would like to have this style for my Siglent as well, because it is simply very well thought out.

It doesn't have to be the same variety as Lecroy, it's typical Waverunner class:
Eight parameters and 41(!) possible sources for it...

[Martin72]

Is this scope hackable like the SDS2000X+ ?

It is hackable, yes.

[danils]

Is the same py script of the 2000x + involved?

[Martin72]

Hi,
Simply entering the scope ID into a script will not work, AFAIK.
That it is hackable anyway, you can see the proof in this thread.

[bozidarms]

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this is much easier with lecroy

I really like the horizontal arrangement of the submenus.
Eight parameters, individually activatable.
And everything you can do with them is visible at a glance.
I would like to have this style for my Siglent as well, because it is simply very well thought out.

Well, then it would be one over 40k$ LeCroy and not Siglent

[Martin72]

It´s only a matter of the software...
Current top model 6000A will cost about 12000 max and got the same UI as the 10 times cheaper sds2104X+.
And MAUI also has the WS3000Z, you can get the scope already for almost the same price as my HD.

[bozidarms]

Current top model 6000A will cost about 12000 max and got the same UI as the 10 times cheaper sds2104X+.

Then things are even worse.
Anyway, 12kEuro for one Siglent, ridiculous!?!

[2N3055]

Current top model 6000A will cost about 12000 max and got the same UI as the 10 times cheaper sds2104X+.

Then things are even worse.
Anyway, 12kEuro for one Siglent, ridiculous!?!

Why?

It is very poverful 4ch MSO 2GHz scope..  with 2x512 MPoints
For the price that is less than KEYSIGHT MSOX3034G, a 350MHz 4 Ch MSo without any options and whole of  2x4Mpoints o combined memory for all (That drops to 512k when MSO is enabled..)...

[Martin72]

Anyway, 12kEuro for one Siglent, ridiculous!?!

No ?
The 2kHD would cost about 10000€, all options included and with logic probes.
The 6000A is a class above(I would buy it when in 12bit, wink wink..) and don´t forget the 5000 series..

Most know only the cheapos from them and hacked.

[bozidarms]

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Current top model 6000A will cost about 12000 max and got the same UI as the 10 times cheaper sds2104X+.
Then things are even worse.
Anyway, 12kEuro for one Siglent, ridiculous!?!

Why?

Because 12k is serious money, and i can hardly imagine that a one professional company ( or one hobby enthusiast) would invest so much in Siglent (or Rigol).
It's not enough just to build a good hardware and only if one can compare, then one would see what is the right professional equipement.
Don`t get me wrong, i have some Siglent (Rigol) stuff, but let's not deceive ourselves, that remains gear for amateurs.
And since we are back at the beginning - it seems that only the price is becoming more and more professional,  the devices unfortunately not.

[2N3055]

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Current top model 6000A will cost about 12000 max and got the same UI as the 10 times cheaper sds2104X+.
Then things are even worse.
Anyway, 12kEuro for one Siglent, ridiculous!?!

Why?

Because 12k is serious money, and i can hardly imagine that a one professional company ( or one hobby enthusiast) would invest so much in Siglent (or Rigol).
It's not enough just to build a good hardware and only if one can compare, then one would see what is the right professional equipement.
Don`t get me wrong, i have some Siglent (Rigol) stuff, but let's not deceive ourselves, that remains gear for amateurs.
And since we are back at the beginning - it seems that only the price is becoming more and more professional,  the devices unfortunately not.

Again, why?

Do you have any rational or technical reason except prejudice ?
Siglent sells a lot to companies and professionals.

[bozidarms]

No prejudice at all.
I have had several times opportunity to play with real lab equipment, above all with LeCroy stuff.
I, as an electronic amateur, immediately noticed how superior these devices are, namely in every possible way, absolut no contest wit Siglent or Rigol.
A sobering realization for me, an “eye-opener”.

[2N3055]

No prejudice at all.
I have had several times opportunity to play with real lab equipment, above all with LeCroy stuff.
I, as an electronic amateur, immediately noticed how superior these devices are, namely in every possible way, absolut no contest wit Siglent or Rigol.
A sobering realization for me, an “eye-opener”.

What Siglent scopes did you try if I may ask?
I don't want to be rude, but if you didn't try higher end Siglent scopes, like SDS6000A, then it is only prejudice based on limited knowledge...
And to be honest, not even fair to entry level models, which are better than many brand name scopes costing twice as much and also used a lot in professional environments..

[tv84]

No prejudice at all.

Really? 

I agree with you that LeCroy stuff can belong to the group of the very best you can buy. Having said that, you know Siglent and LeCroy have a working relation between them where they share some stuff, right?

And just to normalize the comparison ruler that you use, please tell us which LeCroy is the minimum you choose to beat this Siglent SDS2000X HD?

[bozidarms]

There was talk of a SDS6000A for 12k Euro, although  SDS2354X HD for 5,5k Euro (and only 350MHz) is not a bargain.

And just to normalize the comparison ruler that you use, please tell us which LeCroy is the minimum you choose to beat this Siglent SDS2000X HD?

For sure one of LeCroy HDO`s 4000 or 6000

[Martin72]

I can say something about it if I may....
We happen to have lecroys here that pretty much match their ranking from bottom to top(ok there are more models above HDO6000)..

WS3000Z
WS4000HD
HDO4000A
WR9000
HDO6000A

To "beat" the HD (and remaining 12bit) the HDO6000A would be my choice.
Performance, Features, UI...
Cons were few, less memory (by default), no bode plot.
The smallest (100Mhz)WS3000Z cost nearly similar, but looses in every case except the UI.
WS4000HD got 12 bit, but except the UI nothing more than the HD and cost nearly double.
HDO4000A comes close to the HD and is better in some cases like performance, but not so much I would choose this one.
(Price appx 10000€)
WR9000 is a class of its own, the HD looses in most of the cases except bode plot (the waverunner don´t have), but it´s 8bit.

Except the WS4000HD, I know all of the listed models ( we have them(HDO 4000 was on loan).

[bozidarms]

To "beat" the HD (and remaining 12bit) the HDO6000A would be my choice.

I fully agree with you

[tv84]

There was talk of a SDS6000A for 12k Euro, although  SDS2354X HD for 5,5k Euro (and only 350MHz) is not a bargain.

That's BS as any informed (as in "one who is able to read") guy here knows that a fully "hackable" SDS6054A can be had for 7,7k€ and the same for a SDS104X HD for 3,5k€. These are the real prices that hobbyists, able to hack their machines, have to pay for fully licensed devices.

Saeling has LeCroy WaveSurfer 4024HD for 8,5k$. You can take (hack) it  to 1GHz but you can't go to 2GHz...

So, the underdog Siglent has a small device costing 3,5k€ that can only be beaten by a LeCroy starting at 8,5k€, IMHO that says a lot of Siglent's "unprofessional equipment".

[Martin72]

To "beat" the HD (and remaining 12bit) the HDO6000A would be my choice.

I fully agree with you

OK, do you know what this puppy costs? 

[bozidarms]

Quite a bit

[Martin72]

We paid for the 350Mhz version (6034A) "only" 14000€ with a fat discount..
From the work I know "professional scopes", in private I´ve got chinese ones only, since 2010.
Since 2015 only rigol or siglent.
I had thought the same as you, is quite nice and affordable, but against the "Pro" models can not do anything.
Sometimes it worked in parts, sometimes not at all.
But then Siglent came out with the 2000X plus series.
And I was so convinced of the series that three of them are now in daily use at work and another three will be ordered in a few weeks.
Siglent is already knocking more than loudly on the door to the upper class, I think I can judge that by the daily comparison.
And the 2000X HD is another step up, but mainly in terms of resolution and quality workmanship.
With the touch screen series from Siglent (SDS2K+, 2KHD, 5K, 6K) the times are over that you can say OK, for private use that's enough, but for "real" tasks it must be a Tek, Lecroy, R&S or Keysight.
And I have not yet spoken of Rigol, their latest models(because I don´t know them).
Time to wake up and save money....

[tautech]

We paid for the 350Mhz version (6034A) "only" 14000€ with a fat discount..
From the work I know "professional scopes", in private I´ve got chinese ones only, since 2010.
Since 2015 only rigol or siglent.
I had thought the same as you, is quite nice and affordable, but against the "Pro" models can not do anything.
Sometimes it worked in parts, sometimes not at all.
But then Siglent came out with the 2000X plus series.
And I was so convinced of the series that three of them are now in daily use at work and another three will be ordered in a few weeks.
Siglent is already knocking more than loudly on the door to the upper class, I think I can judge that by the daily comparison.
And the 2000X HD is another step up, but mainly in terms of resolution and quality workmanship.
With the touch screen series from Siglent (SDS2K+, 2KHD, 5K, 6K) the times are over that you can say OK, for private use that's enough, but for "real" tasks it must be a Tek, Lecroy, R&S or Keysight.
And I have not yet spoken of Rigol, their latest models(because I don´t know them).
Time to wake up and save money....

And we haven't even seen SDS7000A yet !
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds7000a-dsos-coming/

[Martin72]

With this, they will open the door and enter.
It is also no longer comparable to what was previously brought to the market, since the hardware can be upgraded to some extent to meet any demands from the software.
But that´s another story better fitting in the 7000A thread.