Siglent SDS1104X-E and SDS1204X-E Mixed Signal Oscilloscopes

[tautech]

My SDS1204X-E is running SW 6.1.37R2, UBoot-OS 7.1, FPGA version 2021-07-12, HW version is 01-03. It has all the options (permanent licenses).

Anyone had issues upgrading to the newer versions?

No.

But you have some work to do to get to the latest versions, FW and OS.
Do some study:
https://int.siglent.com/download/firmwares/?ProId=12

[sdriussi]

Hello,

I'm trying to measure voltage with SCPI command in python from a capture with my SDS1204E-E but I can't. All commands that I have found are not recognized. This post is the only one where I got commands that work but still no succes to measure.

I wrote a python script that return a value or an error on timeout for severals commands. Here is the output (command answer/timeout):

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*IDN? Siglent Technologies,SDS1204X-E,SDSMMFCC5R0424,8.3.6.1.37R10
SYST:DATE? 20240531
SYST:TIME? 150038
C1:VDIV? 2.0
C2:VDIV? 1.0
C3:VDIV? 0.5
C4:VDIV? 1.0
C1:TRLV? 3.0
C1:BASICWAVE? C1:BSWV WVTP,SINE,FRQ,1000HZ,PERI,0.001S,AMP,4V,AMPVRMS,1.414Vrms,OFST,0V,HLEV,2V,LLEV,-2V,PHSE,0
C1:CURSOR_SET? VI_ERROR_TMO (-1073807339): Timeout expired before operation completed.
C1:CURSOR_VALUE? VI_ERROR_TMO (-1073807339): Timeout expired before operation completed.
CMPA VI_ERROR_TMO (-1073807339): Timeout expired before operation completed.
CURR_MEASURE_STAT VI_ERROR_TMO (-1073807339): Timeout expired before operation completed.
CMR? 0
CONET? 10,11,13,220
COMM_NET? 10,11,13,220
CRMS? MANUAL
CURSOR_MEASURE? MANUAL
CRSC? VI_ERROR_TMO (-1073807339): Timeout expired before operation completed.
CURSOR_MSOURCE? VI_ERROR_TMO (-1073807339): Timeout expired before operation completed.
CRTY? X
CURSOR_TYPE? X

How to do gate measurement ?
I have attached a screen capture done with the SCDP command

[Fenstergucker]

How to do gate measurement ?
I have attached a screen capture done with the SCDP command

In the screen shot the source for the cursors is Channel 3, in your script you use Channel 1. Perhaps this is the error.

Peter

[sdriussi]

I have changed C1 to C2 then C3 and C4, same issues. To the command C1:WF? I got 00E+002200003
What is the format of this return ?

Stéphane

[Fenstergucker]

I have changed C1 to C2 then C3 and C4, same issues. To the command C1:WF? I got 00E+002200003
What is the format of this return ?

Stéphane

This is in the programming manual, this should be the current one, page 263:
https://int.siglent.com/u_file/document/SDS1000%20Series&SDS2000X&SDS2000X-E_ProgrammingGuide_PG01-E02D.pdf

Peter

[ironcurtain]

My SDS1204X-E is running SW 6.1.37R2, UBoot-OS 7.1, FPGA version 2021-07-12, HW version is 01-03. It has all the options (permanent licenses).

Anyone had issues upgrading to the newer versions?

No.

But you have some work to do to get to the latest versions, FW and OS.
Do some study:
https://int.siglent.com/download/firmwares/?ProId=12

No problems after upgrading. Did not push V3 OS though.

Updates are trivial, I was only interested in side effects for users that have hacked functions. I think it is very unlikely Siglent will/can break the keying, since they would need to reissue licenses to all their legitimate users.
They also don't care, the only people using keygen'd licenses are hobbyists.

[tautech]

My SDS1204X-E is running SW 6.1.37R2, UBoot-OS 7.1, FPGA version 2021-07-12, HW version is 01-03. It has all the options (permanent licenses).

Anyone had issues upgrading to the newer versions?

No.

But you have some work to do to get to the latest versions, FW and OS.
Do some study:
https://int.siglent.com/download/firmwares/?ProId=12

No problems after upgrading. Did not push V3 OS though.

Updates are trivial, I was only interested in side effects for users that have hacked functions. I think it is very unlikely Siglent will/can break the keying, since they would need to reissue licenses to all their legitimate users.
They also don't care, the only people using keygen'd licenses are hobbyists.

This ^
In the many years and many updates for many models I don't recall ever losing a licence to an update process.
Install V3 OS with confidence.
One particularly useful feature it offers is NTP time to provide accurate capture timestamps.

[sdriussi]

This is in the programming manual, this should be the current one, page 263:
https://int.siglent.com/u_file/document/SDS1000%20Series&SDS2000X&SDS2000X-E_ProgrammingGuide_PG01-E02D.pdf

Peter

Thanks Peter, I'm able to get the trace. I will read the pdf guide to search if I can place cursors and get the voltage at their locations

[tautech]

New firmware for 4ch SDS1000X-E models

Version： V6.1.37R17
9 MB
https://int.siglent.com/upload_file/zip/firmware/Oscilloscope/SDS1xx4X-E_V6.1.37R17_EN.zip

Release notes
1. Optimize Autosetup speed
2. Optimize SDS1104X-E bandwidth
3. Standard software functions of FG, LA and WIFI

[Calambres]

Not yet announced either here:
https://www.siglenteu.com/service-and-support/firmware-software/digital-oscilloscopes/#sds1000x-e-series

nor here:
https://siglentna.com/service-and-support/firmware-software/digital-oscilloscopes/#sds1000x-e-series

Tautech always ahead of them all... thanks mate! 

[pope]

New firmware for 4ch SDS1000X-E models

Version： V6.1.37R17
9 MB
https://int.siglent.com/upload_file/zip/firmware/Oscilloscope/SDS1xx4X-E_V6.1.37R17_EN.zip

Release notes
1. Optimize Autosetup speed
2. Optimize SDS1104X-E bandwidth
3. Standard software functions of FG, LA and WIFI

What does "Optimize SDS1104X-E bandwidth" mean?

[807]

Not yet announced either here:
https://www.siglenteu.com/service-and-support/firmware-software/digital-oscilloscopes/#sds1000x-e-series

nor here:
https://siglentna.com/service-and-support/firmware-software/digital-oscilloscopes/#sds1000x-e-series

Tautech always ahead of them all... thanks mate! 

Strange that it's not available to download from eu site, but it is mentioned in the release notes if you click on it.

[807]

New firmware for 4ch SDS1000X-E models

Version： V6.1.37R17
9 MB
https://int.siglent.com/upload_file/zip/firmware/Oscilloscope/SDS1xx4X-E_V6.1.37R17_EN.zip

Release notes
1. Optimize Autosetup speed
2. Optimize SDS1104X-E bandwidth
3. Standard software functions of FG, LA and WIFI

What does "Optimize SDS1104X-E bandwidth" mean?

I was wondering the same thing.

[tautech]

Not yet announced either here:
https://www.siglenteu.com/service-and-support/firmware-software/digital-oscilloscopes/#sds1000x-e-series

nor here:
https://siglentna.com/service-and-support/firmware-software/digital-oscilloscopes/#sds1000x-e-series

Tautech always ahead of them all... thanks mate! 

Oh yes they are, scroll down some. 

[807]

Not yet announced either here:
https://www.siglenteu.com/service-and-support/firmware-software/digital-oscilloscopes/#sds1000x-e-series

nor here:
https://siglentna.com/service-and-support/firmware-software/digital-oscilloscopes/#sds1000x-e-series

Tautech always ahead of them all... thanks mate! 

Oh yes they are, scroll down some. 

That's a strange way of listing them. Why not all in one list? A lot of the releases are on both lists, but R10 was on the first list but not the second & R17 is on the second list, but not the first. Why split them up like that?

Unlike the na site, the eu site has the release notes for R17 in both lists, even though it doesn't appear in the first list.

[tautech]

Not yet announced either here:
https://www.siglenteu.com/service-and-support/firmware-software/digital-oscilloscopes/#sds1000x-e-series

nor here:
https://siglentna.com/service-and-support/firmware-software/digital-oscilloscopes/#sds1000x-e-series

Tautech always ahead of them all... thanks mate! 

Oh yes they are, scroll down some. 

That's a strange way of listing them. Why not all in one list? A lot of the releases are on both lists, but R10 was on the first list but not the second & R17 is on the second list, but not the first. Why split them up like that?

Unlike the na site, the eu site has the release notes for R17 in both lists, even though it doesn't appear in the first list.

Yeah I know, not my problem. 

[Calambres]

Oh yes they are, scroll down some. 

Yes, you're right    but indeed a weird way to list the different FW versions...

BTW: what is FG & LA?

[Dave Wise]

I'd guess Function Generator and Logic Analyzer.  As in, make the scope talk to them.

[TomKatt]

New firmware for 4ch SDS1000X-E models

3. Standard software functions of FG, LA and WIFI

FWIW - Siglent also released new FW for the SDS800X HD series that had this same verbiage and I noticed that after installing it the LA and FG options no longer appear in the licenses screen, as if they are now automatically permanently enabled.

I don’t have access to my SDS1104X-E but I’d guess this is also the case here.

[tautech]

New firmware for 4ch SDS1000X-E models

3. Standard software functions of FG, LA and WIFI

FWIW - Siglent also released new FW for the SDS800X HD series that had this same verbiage and I noticed that after installing it the LA and FG options no longer appear in the licenses screen, as if they are now automatically permanently enabled.

I don’t have access to my SDS1104X-E but I’d guess this is also the case here.

Just checked mine, no sign of any options menu now. 

Though I do have some (not Siglent) special tools to reset options to zero/trial....wonder if anything appears if I do ?......

[atroz]

New firmware for 4ch SDS1000X-E models

Version： V6.1.37R17
9 MB
https://int.siglent.com/upload_file/zip/firmware/Oscilloscope/SDS1xx4X-E_V6.1.37R17_EN.zip

Release notes
1. Optimize Autosetup speed
2. Optimize SDS1104X-E bandwidth
3. Standard software functions of FG, LA and WIFI

What does "Optimize SDS1104X-E bandwidth" mean?

I was wondering the same thing.

Anybody figure this out yet?    They really could improve their release notes, even going to so far as doubling their word budget could help.   

[TomKatt]

New firmware for 4ch SDS1000X-E models

Version： V6.1.37R17
9 MB
https://int.siglent.com/upload_file/zip/firmware/Oscilloscope/SDS1xx4X-E_V6.1.37R17_EN.zip

Release notes
1. Optimize Autosetup speed
2. Optimize SDS1104X-E bandwidth
3. Standard software functions of FG, LA and WIFI

What does "Optimize SDS1104X-E bandwidth" mean?

Has anyone figured out what the 'Optimize SDS1104X-E Bandwidth' means?

I find it interesting that although the FW release is for the 4 channel SDS1004X-E series, Siglent mentions the SDS1104X-E model specifically.

[robert.rozee]

has anyone verified that:
1. this latest update does not affect an SDS1104X-E (100MHz) that has previously been upgraded to an SDS1204X-E (200MHz) using a user-installed option key,
2. when applied to a 'stock' SDS1104X-E (100MHz), if the update upgrades the bandwidth to be the same as that of an SDS1204X-E (200MHz) - ie, creating a new variant, a 200MHz scope that still identifies itself as an SDS1104X-E.


cheers,
rob   :-)

[TomKatt]

has anyone verified that:
1. this latest update does not affect an SDS1104X-E (100MHz) that has previously been upgraded to an SDS1204X-E (200MHz) using a user-installed option key,
2. when applied to a 'stock' SDS1104X-E (100MHz), if the update upgrades the bandwidth to be the same as that of an SDS1204X-E (200MHz) - ie, creating a new variant, a 200MHz scope that still identifies itself as an SDS1104X-E.


cheers,
rob   :-)

Should be easy enough to test - just take an 'upgraded' scope and revert it back to 100MHz BW, then apply FW update and see what is reported.  I may try this later this afternoon if nobody else has done it by then.

Whatever this comment means, I doubt Siglent just turned all their 1104 models into 1204 models...

[Zoli]

...
Should be easy enough to test - just take an 'upgraded' scope and revert it back to 100MHz BW, then apply FW update and see what is reported.  I may try this later this afternoon if nobody else has done it by then.

Whatever this comment means, I doubt Siglent just turned all their 1104 models into 1204 models...

Considering that this update adds all the options as standard, I don't see why the bandwidth option would be different.