Siglent SDS1000X HD versus SDS2000X HD

[H.O]

Interesting indeed. It vanishing completely from the Batterfly website was what I noticed the other day when I almost let go of the idea. Then it showed up at Batronix long enough for me to place the order and then dissappears again.
Have an order confirmation but it has not been shipped yet so I guess we'll have to see.

Siglent.eu still lists it but at €2682 and I assume that's +VAT since they list the bundle at 235 (which is the price +VAT at other places).
Siglenteu.com lists it at €1880.
Swedish retailer Elektrokit.com claims to have one i stock but at an even higher price than Siglent.eu (around €2800 (+VAT) at todays exchange rate).

[egonotto]

Hello,

I think it will work. It was still there on the night of 25.3.2024 to 26.3.2024.

Best regards
egonotto

[Martin72]

 

[fredo_]

It disappeared from Eleshop.eu too !  https://eleshop.eu/catalogsearch/result/?q=SDS2104X+HD
I received an email this morning from Jeulin.fr (where I ordered mine) saying it should be delivered by the end of next week... finger crossed !

[Martin72]

Why not, this is a very good scope that doesn't even have to hide behind the HDO6034A (in most areas, not all) and I congratulate anyone who was able to get hold of it at the last price.
But I would have rather expected the "ancient scope" SDS5000X to be taken off the market.
You can make mistakes like that.

[dexar]

According to one distributor that I talked to Siglent has discontinued the 100MHz model. The ones that are at sale is the current stock.

[Martin72]

Yepp, the 100 Mhz model has been discontinued.

[H.O]

Yes, I asked Batronix and they confirmed that the 2104HD is being discontinued.
With both the 800 and 1000 series having a 100MHz model I guess they felt there was too much overlap. But then, there's a 200MHz in the 800, 1000 and 2000 series so I don't know. Their decision of course.
Anyway, they also confirmed that mine shipped this morning.

[egonotto]

Hello,

I ordered on Monday but nothing had been dispatched by Wednesday evening

Best regards
egonotto

[Martin72]

Where, by batronix ?
Have you received any kind of confirmation at all?

[egonotto]

Hello,

yes, I received an order confirmation and a pro forma invoice and transferred the requested amount immediately.

Best regards
egonotto

[Martin72]

Already paid, aha...
Then they'd get in touch if it had already been sold out.
Otherwise, I would contact batronix again tomorrow if I were you.
I would write, I ordered the scope and paid for it straight away and now I can no longer see it on your site - can I still get it?
Or something similar.

[egonotto]

Hello,

I have written an e-mail to Batronix. I won't receive an answer until tomorrow.
In my opinion, I have a purchase contract with Batronix. I therefore assume that Batronix has reserved a device for me.

Best regards
egonotto

PS: It would just have been nice if I had received it by Easter Saturday

[Martin72]

PS: It would just have been nice if I had received it by Easter Saturday

I can understand that very well, nothing is better than getting new toys at the weekend.

[egonotto]

Hello,

maybe I will get the SDS2104X HD and the SDS3034X HD at the same time.

Best regards
egonotto

[Electro Fan]

Hello all,

I'm also interested to upgrade my bench with the SDS2000X-HD,
but I have some questions about it.
First, is there a way to unlock it as for the non HD version ? (bandwidth and options).
It seem that there is a hack,  but not publicly revealed.
Second, there is also complain about very slow update rate in LA mode compared
to non HD model,. Do this point has been fixed ?
(There is a youtube video about this issue here : )
Thank you in advance for your opinions.
Regards

Frex

Just giving Frex's post a bump in case anyone can comment on the youtube video showing the performance of the X Plus vs the X HD for digital signals.  Is that because processing the 8 bit signals is easier than processing 12 bit signals or maybe the test wasn't done properly or something else?  Thx

[KungFuJosh]

Just giving Frex's post a bump in case anyone can comment on the youtube video showing the performance of the X Plus vs the X HD for digital signals.  Is that because processing the 8 bit signals is easier than processing 12 bit signals or maybe the test wasn't done properly or something else?  Thx

Pay close attention to the fact that the devices are not setup the same. It's mentioned in the comments on the video too. There's also a link to the thread where it's discussed further here...and the video is 2 years old, so it's not even relevant firmware anymore.

[Electro Fan]

Hello,

what surprises me is:

SDS800X HD and SDS1000X HD
Mask test speed  Up to 80,000 frames/s

SDS2000X HD
Mask test speed  Up to 14,000 frames/s
SDS3000X HD
Mask test speed  Up to 28,000 frames/s

Best regards
egonotto

What accounts for the 800 and 1000 performance vs 2000 and 3000?  Thx

[Electro Fan]

Just giving Frex's post a bump in case anyone can comment on the youtube video showing the performance of the X Plus vs the X HD for digital signals.  Is that because processing the 8 bit signals is easier than processing 12 bit signals or maybe the test wasn't done properly or something else?  Thx

Pay close attention to the fact that the devices are not setup the same. It's mentioned in the comments on the video too. There's also a link to the thread where it's discussed further here...and the video is 2 years old, so it's not even relevant firmware anymore.

KungFuJosh, thank you. 

from the comments:

"@voitano73
1 year ago
Plus is set to 1kpts timebase , HD model is 4Mpts"

this^ is what caused the X Plus to perform better than the X HD?

So bottom line, if the testing was set up properly and the newest firmware was installed the X HD would perform as well or better than the X Plus on the digital channels?  Or there is still some advantage for the X Plus?

[Martin72]

Just giving Frex's post a bump in case anyone can comment on the youtube video showing the performance of the X Plus vs the X HD for digital signals.  Is that because processing the 8 bit signals is easier than processing 12 bit signals or maybe the test wasn't done properly or something else?  Thx

Pay close attention to the fact that the devices are not setup the same. It's mentioned in the comments on the video too. There's also a link to the thread where it's discussed further here...and the video is 2 years old, so it's not even relevant firmware anymore.

Discussion started here:

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds2000x-hd-12bit-(published-for-chinese-domestic-market-only)/msg4514990/#msg4514990

And following.

[KungFuJosh]

So bottom line, if the testing was set up properly and the newest firmware was installed the X HD would perform as well or better than the X Plus on the digital channels?  Or there is still some advantage for the X Plus?

That's my assumption as well. However, testing is better than assuming. I would take a look at the conversation Martin linked.

[Electro Fan]

Just giving Frex's post a bump in case anyone can comment on the youtube video showing the performance of the X Plus vs the X HD for digital signals.  Is that because processing the 8 bit signals is easier than processing 12 bit signals or maybe the test wasn't done properly or something else?  Thx

Pay close attention to the fact that the devices are not setup the same. It's mentioned in the comments on the video too. There's also a link to the thread where it's discussed further here...and the video is 2 years old, so it's not even relevant firmware anymore.

Discussion started here:

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds2000x-hd-12bit-(published-for-chinese-domestic-market-only)/msg4514990/#msg4514990

And following.

Martin72 and others, thanks for referencing the thread but I don't see anything that definitely explains the performance difference.  I saw other people saying they had similar results to what was in the video and I saw the suggestion that there were setup differences and I saw that there might or might not have been a bug report to Siglent and I saw that there was new firmware - but I didn't see where (in the thread or anywhere else) the performance difference was ever refuted or definitively explained.  Sorry if I missed it.  Was there a clear resolution?  If so, maybe someone can please cite it?  Thx

[Martin72]

Martin72 and others, thanks for referencing the thread but I don't see anything that definitely explains the performance difference.

The link was also only meant to show that there was a discussion about it, including confirmations that the person who first noticed it did nothing wrong, because others could also reproduce it.
That's all there is to it, it came to nothing.
I bought a set of original logic probes much, much later and didn't notice anything detrimental during my tests.
Perhaps the update rate hardly plays a role in this case.
Or it was fixed in the last firmware update.
If there are any concerns, I would mention this again in the bug thread, it will get lost here.

[Electro Fan]

Martin72 and others, thanks for referencing the thread but I don't see anything that definitely explains the performance difference.

The link was also only meant to show that there was a discussion about it, including confirmations that the person who first noticed it did nothing wrong, because others could also reproduce it.
That's all there is to it, it came to nothing.
I bought a set of original logic probes much, much later and didn't notice anything detrimental during my tests.
Perhaps the update rate hardly plays a role in this case.
Or it was fixed in the last firmware update.
If there are any concerns, I would mention this again in the bug thread, it will get lost here.

Martin, thanks.  I posted here in part because I was thinking I might "need"   a 1000X HD or a 2000X HD rather than a 800X HD.  So just to clarify, I'm not trying to report a bug - just trying to understand a few performance differences (and discrepancies?) mostly between the 1000X HD and 2000X HD but also among some of the other down stream, up stream, and adjacent models.

To be candid, I might have developed a variant of TEA called "New Siglentitis" - which I think I contracted from trying to read all the HD posts and discussions around here - and now I'm very close to pulling the trigger on a 2000X HD.  But when I see reports that somehow the 800 and the 1000 outperform the 2000 and 3000 on the mask measurements, and maybe the 2000X Plus outperforms the 2000X HD on the digital channels I start to wonder if I'm too far out over my skis? 

Maybe I don't understand enough about the FPGA or other architectural aspects of the Siglent product family to make an intelligent decision.

For example, just above in this thread we have these specs:

SDS800X HD and SDS1000X HD
Mask test speed  Up to 80,000 frames/s

SDS2000X HD
Mask test speed  Up to 14,000 frames/s

SDS3000X HD
Mask test speed  Up to 28,000 frames/s

I don't really absolutely "need" all of the features or any particular specs mentioned but I'd like to at least make a good decision among the available models.

fwiw I have a 2000X HD sitting in a shopping cart but these last two outlier cases (mask speed and digital channel performance) are causing some cognitive dissonance.   

Maybe I just need to slow down and better understand the X HD line up from the 800 thru the 2000 series.  After a few weeks of reading/studying I thought the safe/preferred choice was the 2000X HD and I was ready to hit the go button but between the X HD mask specs and now the X Plus vs X HD digital channel video I am having "almost buyer's" remorse. 

That's my story and I'm sticking to it - but I'm open to therapy.   

[egonotto]

Hello,

I have the mask test speed data from the data sheets. I don't know whether this data is correct. I have found errors in data sheets from time to time. I also don't know whether the mask tests are equally powerful in different devices.

Best regards
egonotto