Siglent SDS1000X HD 12bit DSO's

[tautech]

LeCroy especially loves raising the prices on that rebranded hardware.

These relabeled Siglent scopes have almost all options already included.

So do our Siglents, they just don't know it yet. 😉😉

The DMM prices are funnier though. The $400 Siglent is automatically a $700 LeCroy. Those stickers can be pricey though.

Even more from RS.
Ask Mr Google about RS PRO RSDM3055A 

[Martin72]

So do our Siglents, they just don't know it yet. 😉😉

You can have fun and calculate what a legally upgraded siglent costs and then compare.
Illegal hacking is only for private people, "pros" have to buy it legally and then the whole thing becomes somewhat relative.

[tautech]

Rob,
I had understood 2N3055 to mean that there is no MSO option for the 1000X HD, so the scope is not a MSO.

This only means the MSO option is not fully inbuilt. MSO/LA capabilities works just fine with my SDS1204X HD and the SLA1016 LA module.
It connects to the Sbus port just the same as X-E models.


Later when other tasks are finished I'll post a MSO/LA screenshot.

Digital mode.
Pre-release scope HW and SW ! SW enhancements requested since last beta FW release.
Currently available SLA1016 LA module with latest FW.
Just half of the 16 channels available displayed. Each channel can be individually toggled ON or OFF or as a group of 8.

Needed to check something now we have a later version FW....



And now we have trace color tabs that match with the LA pod flying leads.....something slowly migrating to all models as resources allow.

[KungFuJosh]

You can have fun and calculate what a legally upgraded siglent costs and then compare.
Illegal hacking is only for private people, "pros" have to buy it legally and then the whole thing becomes somewhat relative.

It's not actually hacking, and the legality of it is questionable. Especially since Siglent is well aware that the "improvability" of their TE is a large draw to the hobbyist market. They know the pros with the budget and need for cal references won't play that game. I'd call that part of their marketing strategy too. 😉

[KungFuJosh]

Ask Mr Google about RS PRO RSDM3055A 

I dunno what prices you see, but RS shows £589.09 before VAT, for the 5.5 digit model when I look. I was referring to pricing for the 4.5 digit model. The LeCroy version of the 5.5 digit model was $900. The 6.5 digit model is $1100.

[Warhawk]

Here in Europe, the option is now included in the price as a par of the promotion. I may pull the trigger on sds2000x plus instead of the HD version.

Ah, so it is 
https://www.siglenteu.com/news-article/permanent-analysis-bundle-on-your-new-oscilloscope/

Don't tell anyone but 2000X HD models have been reduced in cost and with the above bundle makes them quite attractive and probably the last DSO you might ever buy....yes they are that good.

I am wonder if we should expect different promotions at time of the sds1000 hd release.

1000X HD a more basic design with limited options vs 2000 series units.
FG/AWG is an external module with licensing. $159 + ? other models $109
LA/MSO is also external module with licensing. $ 329 + ? other models $109
Power analysis will be useful for some. $ ? other models starting at $269

Until we know base pricing more info is just a guess.
There could be introductory pricing but again a guess.

I must apologize for the confusion, the logic analyzer and the AWG licenses are for 235 EUR and not included in the price. Still, the price is good but I may pass on it.
Is it by chance compatible with Tektronix MDO series probes? They look similar.

I am fine with building the LA pod myself as I have old tektronix probes with high-quality coaxes and clippers.

[Warhawk]

I plan to discuss the investment with my piggy bank tonight.

Brightened my day, thanks WH.

I had a real sledgehammer argument. Batronix got business and I can't wait for the next week. 

[Martin72]

Don't tell anyone but 2000X HD models have been reduced in cost and with the above bundle makes them quite attractive

Aha...
I've paid 400€ more, but thats life.
Now the entry price is the same as the DHO4000, a smart move, because if I had the choice between the two for the same money, the result would be clear.

[ebastler]

Don't tell anyone but 2000X HD models have been reduced in cost and with the above bundle makes them quite attractive

Now the entry price is the same as the DHO4000, a smart move, because if I had the choice between the two for the same money, the result would be clear.

Am I looking at it wrong, or are you comparing the 100 MHz 2104X HD with the 200 MHz DHO4204 there?

[tautech]

I must apologize for the confusion, the logic analyzer and the AWG licenses are for 235 EUR and not included in the price. Still, the price is good but I may pass on it.
Is it by chance compatible with Tektronix MDO series probes? They look similar.

I am fine with building the LA pod myself as I have old tektronix probes with high-quality coaxes and clippers.

Correct, 235 EUR is additional for the promo bundle:

SDS2000X PLUS: SDS2XP-BND:   SPL2016, SDS2000XP-16LA, SDS2000XP-FG, SDS2000XP FlexRay/1553B/CANFD/I2S/SENT/Manch

^^^ only available with a new purchase.

SPL2016 LA probe slots over a PCIe socket in the X Plus and several other models and some Tek models use the same setup but wouldn't know the models, sorry.
Pop up a pic of the Tek LA probes you have and many here will recognize if they will fit Siglent.

[Warhawk]

Awesome, I found exactly what I need
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/diy-logic-probes-alternate-approach-using-tks-adapter-pcb/msg4326775/#msg4326775

[tautech]

Awesome, I found exactly what I need
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/diy-logic-probes-alternate-approach-using-tks-adapter-pcb/msg4326775/#msg4326775

Oh that Tek LA probe....thought you meant one the looks same as SPL2016.
Somewhere I hunted out which brands used the same and their Pt#'s ....deep search needed to find it now.

Mnem's one should serve you well albeit the lead length is a little lacking. 

[ebastler]

Somewhere I hunted out which brands used the same and their Pt#'s ....deep search needed to find it now.

You had pulled together a nice little gallery of LeCroy, Tek and Rigol look-alikes here, with part numbers too:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds2000x-plus-coming/msg3026262/#msg3026262

Did anyone ever figure out the OEM?

[Martin72]

Am I looking at it wrong, or are you comparing the 100 MHz 2104X HD with the 200 MHz DHO4204 there?

I didn't compare, I just said if I had the choice, the case would be clear to me.
Furthermore, I was able to compare both in February.
In the end, the only argument for the dho4000 was the lower price, and that is no longer the case.

[ebastler]

Am I looking at it wrong, or are you comparing the 100 MHz 2104X HD with the 200 MHz DHO4204 there?

I didn't compare, I just said if I had the choice, the case would be clear to me.
Furthermore, I was able to compare both in February.
In the end, the only argument for the dho4000 was the lower price, and that is no longer the case.

I just meant that you compared prices of the two. Which seemed a bit skewed; one should compare the 200 MHz models of each series, in which case the 2204X HD is still a fair bit more expensive. Not questioning your decision/recommendation in favor of the Siglent here!

[Warhawk]

Awesome, I found exactly what I need
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/diy-logic-probes-alternate-approach-using-tks-adapter-pcb/msg4326775/#msg4326775

Oh that Tek LA probe....thought you meant one the looks same as SPL2016.
Somewhere I hunted out which brands used the same and their Pt#'s ....deep search needed to find it now.

Mnem's one should serve you well albeit the lead length is a little lacking. 

Sorry tautech, I made it confusing when thinking aloud. I can borrow the new tek probe that looks like SPL2016 for the test. But it is not mine. However, I also have the old HP ones that are mine and come from the collection box.

[Martin72]

And now we have trace color tabs that match with the LA pod flying leads.....something slowly migrating to all models as resources allow.

Looks really nice, I had looked earlier, whether the big brother also has this after the last upgrade - No, he has not yet.

[asmi]

In the end, the only argument for the dho4000 was the lower price, and that is no longer the case.

In US it's $2699 vs $3265 - that's 20% difference, which is quite significant IMHO. And DHO4000 comes with all options for free.

[tautech]

In the end, the only argument for the dho4000 was the lower price, and that is no longer the case.

In US it's $2699 vs $3265 - that's 20% difference, which is quite significant IMHO. And DHO4000 comes with all options for free.

Maybe you are not aware of latest 2kX HD pricing, it's better than $2700.
Add the current options and MSO promo and lets just say, it very competitive.

[asmi]

Maybe you are not aware of latest 2kX HD pricing, it's better than $2700.

Apparently NA folks are not aware of it either (see screenshot).

Add the current options and MSO promo and lets just say, it very competitive.

I only see a promo for Power Analysis Toolkit, which is the most useless option. Very lame and certainly not even close to justify much higher price.

[Martin72]

Compared to the quality and performance, the price is almost too low.
Unlike almost everyone who gives their two cents here on the forum, I own one and have had the other at home for three weeks to compare with it.
That is something different than just looking at data sheets.

[asmi]

Compared to the quality and performance, the price is almost too low.
Unlike almost everyone who gives their two cents here on the forum, I own one and have had the other at home for three weeks to compare with it.
That is something different than just looking at data sheets.

If the price is so low for you, how about you buy me one? It's not too low for me.

[KungFuJosh]

If the price is so low for you, how about you buy me one? It's not too low for me.

He doesn't mean low for his budget, he means low for price + features + performance.

[asmi]

He doesn't mean low for his budget, he means low for price + features + performance.

There is no way 20% higher price can be "too low" when features are worse - as far as I can tell, Rigol has serial decodes, Siglent does not. You've gotta be a complete shill to say otherwise.

[tautech]

He doesn't mean low for his budget, he means low for price + features + performance.

There is no way 20% higher price can be "too low" when features are worse - as far as I can tell, Rigol has serial decodes, Siglent does not.

All Decode capable Siglent DSO's come std with I2C, SPI, UART, CAN, and LIN.
FD, FlexRay, I2S and MIL-STD-1553B are optional but are sometimes bundled as in the current promos.