Siglent SDS1000X HD 12bit DSO's

[UK]

Is there anywhere a full list of units which has SPL2016 on board?

[tautech]

Is there anywhere a full list of units which has SPL2016 on board?

At the time of writing these DSO's accept the SPL2016 logic probe.
SDS2000X
SDS2000X Plus
SDS2000X HD
SDS5000X
SDS6000A

[ebastler]

Fully passive LA probe and nicely we have a Pcie socket to plug straight into.

Nice simple design with no clunky box on the bench, and quite decent performance. 
But if that's all there is to it -- why is the SPL2016 more expensive than the much more complex SPL1016?

[KungFuJosh]

Nice simple design with no clunky box on the bench, and quite decent performance. 
But if that's all there is to it -- why is the SPL2016 more expensive than the much more complex SPL1016?

It's shinier? There's a project on here to make your own for 1/10 the cost.

[tautech]

Fully passive LA probe and nicely we have a Pcie socket to plug straight into.

Nice simple design with no clunky box on the bench, and quite decent performance. 
But if that's all there is to it -- why is the SPL2016 more expensive than the much more complex SPL1016?

SLA1016 $329 + licensing
Siglent made LA module and probe set using cheap IDA ribbon cable and low quality grabbers.

SPL2016 $369 + licensing
Outsourced. Same design used by several other DSO manufacturers, Tek, LeCroy, maybe more.
Quality 10 way coax ribbon cable < 2x 8ch leads ~1m long. Were supplied with quality US made grabbers and latest are unbranded but good quality too.

IMHO SPL2016 is in entirely another class and occasionally on special in some bundle where SPL2016 and a # of options can be purchased as low as $219. (last years worldwide promo).......but the scope must have the LA HW internal to support it.

[Warhawk]

Here in Europe, the option is now included in the price as a par of the promotion. I may pull the trigger on sds2000x plus instead of the HD version. I am wonder if we should expect different promotions at time of the sds1000 hd release.

[ebastler]

SPL1016 $329 + licensing
Siglent made LA module and probe set using cheap IDA ribbon cable and low quality grabbers.

SPL2016 $369 + licensing
Outsourced. Same design used by several other DSO manufacturers, Tek, LeCroy, maybe more.
Quality 10 way coax ribbon cable < 2x 8ch leads ~1m long. Were supplied with quality US made grabbers and latest are unbranded but good quality too.

IMHO SPL2016 is in entirely another class and occasionally on special in some bundle where SPL2016 and a # of options can be purchased as low as $219. (last years worldwide promo).......but the scope must have the LA HW internal to support it.

Sorry, I meant the SLA1016 for comparison -- that's the complete external unit compatible with the current SDS1000... models, right? Costs 288€ over here, vs. 335€ for the SPL2016, both before tax.

Thanks for pointing out the quality differences in the grabbers, which I was not aware of. There's probably also an aspect of different market positioning, where accessories for more expensive scopes can get away with a somewhat higher price...

[tautech]

Here in Europe, the option is now included in the price as a par of the promotion. I may pull the trigger on sds2000x plus instead of the HD version.

Ah, so it is 
https://www.siglenteu.com/news-article/permanent-analysis-bundle-on-your-new-oscilloscope/

Don't tell anyone but 2000X HD models have been reduced in cost and with the above bundle makes them quite attractive and probably the last DSO you might ever buy....yes they are that good.

I am wonder if we should expect different promotions at time of the sds1000 hd release.

1000X HD a more basic design with limited options vs 2000 series units.
FG/AWG is an external module with licensing. $159 + ? other models $109
LA/MSO is also external module with licensing. $ 329 + ? other models $109
Power analysis will be useful for some. $ ? other models starting at $269

Until we know base pricing more info is just a guess.
There could be introductory pricing but again a guess.

[tautech]

Sorry, I meant the SLA1016 for comparison -- that's the complete external unit compatible with the current SDS1000... models, right? Costs 288€ over here, vs. 335€ for the SPL2016, both before tax.

Thanks, corrected.

[Antonio90]

Everything looks the same as the OP photo, but lighter. Pricing can be all over the place in Aliexpress, and it is the 200MHz version.

https://www.aliexpress.com/i/1005005399190521.html?gatewayAdapt=glo2esp

Is this the chinese-only version? Or the actual one to be sold in the west?

EDIT: Didn't look closely enough. The label at the bottom left of the scope says 1GS/s.

[Martin72]

About 600€ more expensive than the 200Mhz DHO from Rigol...
And still the "old", I do not want to know what the black version will cost.
Always provided that the 1000er comes at all on the western market.

[Antonio90]

Aliexpress pricing for test equipment is often much higher than comparable european distributors (150% is not unusual) at least shipped to Spain.
But yeah, I don't know if there is an incentive to compete with Rigol in the DHO1000 segment. ¿Is there really a market around these prices?

What I find missing in the market is 600-800€ before tax 4-channel scopes. Although I guess that's where unhacked and optioned basic scopes live.

I was hoping this would be a cheaper alternative to the SDS2104X Plus with less features and 12bit, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

[UK]

Bad apple looks nice on it!

https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1ih4y1A78Y/?t=51.3

[2N3055]

Aliexpress pricing for test equipment is often much higher than comparable european distributors (150% is not unusual) at least shipped to Spain.
But yeah, I don't know if there is an incentive to compete with Rigol in the DHO1000 segment. ¿Is there really a market around these prices?

What I find missing in the market is 600-800€ before tax 4-channel scopes. Although I guess that's where unhacked and optioned basic scopes live.

I was hoping this would be a cheaper alternative to the SDS2104X Plus with less features and 12bit, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Of course there is market. And new SDS1000X HD is quite a more capable device than DHO1000.

[Antonio90]

I was just wondering, don't know how the professional market works in this regard at all.
It just seemed to me that general purpose is well served with an 8 bit scope, and the 2000X HD was more fitting in price and capabilities for specialised needs.
But I know I don't know.

[tautech]

Everything looks the same as the OP photo, but lighter. Pricing can be all over the place in Aliexpress, and it is the 200MHz version.

https://www.aliexpress.com/i/1005005399190521.html?gatewayAdapt=glo2esp

Is this the chinese-only version? Or the actual one to be sold in the west?

It might be now but the color theme has changed.
See this thread and follow the link in OP:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/siglent-sds3000x-hd-and-upgraded-sds1000x-hd/

1000X HD cannot be priced near 2000X Plus as they are very different animals sporting quite different capabilities.

[ebastler]

1000X HD cannot be priced near 2000X Plus as they are very different animals sporting quite different capabilities.

Now you have piqued my curiosity. They are indeed different animals, but each with strengths and limitations over the other. So I would have guessed that they are in the same price bracket, with the 1000X HD probably priced a bit higher because 12 bit is the "shiny new thing". Not so?

[tautech]

1000X HD cannot be priced near 2000X Plus as they are very different animals sporting quite different capabilities.

Now you have piqued my curiosity. They are indeed different animals, but each with strengths and limitations over the other. So I would have guessed that they are in the same price bracket, with the 1000X HD probably priced a bit higher because 12 bit is the "shiny new thing". Not so?

X Plus is a 2 GSa/s 500 MHz design with internal FG and MSO/LA circuitry and already has 100 MHz capable 10 bit mode. 4x mem depth also. < 2 ADC's each with 200 MPts support.

1000X HD has been designed to reduce cost omitting internal FG and MSO/LA HW and sharing the 2000X HD enclosure.

[Antonio90]

1000X HD cannot be priced near 2000X Plus as they are very different animals sporting quite different capabilities.

Now you have piqued my curiosity. They are indeed different animals, but each with strengths and limitations over the other. So I would have guessed that they are in the same price bracket, with the 1000X HD probably priced a bit higher because 12 bit is the "shiny new thing". Not so?

X Plus is a 2 GSa/s 500 MHz design with internal FG and MSO/LA circuitry and already has 100 MHz capable 10 bit mode. 4x mem depth also. < 2 ADC's each with 200 MPts support.

1000X HD has been designed to reduce cost omitting internal FG and MSO/LA HW and sharing the 2000X HD enclosure.

The image I posted is close to 1k more than the 2000X plus. That is why I was kind of surprised.
I'm hoping the 1000X HD will be at least a bit cheaper than the 2000X Plus, which is what I infer from your post.

[tautech]

The image I posted is close to 1k more than the 2000X plus. That is why I was kind of surprised.
I'm hoping the 1000X HD will be at least a bit cheaper than the 2000X Plus, which is what I infer from your post.

Yeah well we always need double check any Aliexpress seller.
In 1 minute I searched what other Siglent products they sell and those I found are all at ripoff pricing compared to Siglent RRP.
https://www.aliexpress.com/store/506853/search?SearchText=Siglent

They're taking the piss ! 

[Martin72]

I'm hoping the 1000X HD will be at least a bit cheaper than the 2000X Plus, which is what I infer from your post.

Well...
I hope so, too, for everyone's sake.
But I lack the faith in it.
However, I have to say clearly that the price of a 2104Xplus can already be called cheap, considering what you get for it.
Even cheaper and then with 12 bit and 4 math channels, digital filters...hard to believe.
But I'll be very happy to be proven wrong when the time comes.

[Antonio90]

I'm hoping the 1000X HD will be at least a bit cheaper than the 2000X Plus, which is what I infer from your post.

Well...
I hope so, too, for everyone's sake.
But I lack the faith in it.
However, I have to say clearly that the price of a 2104Xplus can already be called cheap, considering what you get for it.
Even cheaper and then with 12 bit and 4 math channels, digital filters...hard to believe.
But I'll be very happy to be proven wrong when the time comes.

Yes, it is has great quality/price ratio. It might be cheap, just generally out of hobby price bracket. Does it have 4 math channels too?

[Martin72]

Hi,

Does it have 4 math channels too?

Not yet, but there is a hope because the "smaller" 1000X HD has them and my 2000X HD recently did too, through a firmware update.

[KungFuJosh]

Hi,

Does it have 4 math channels too?

Not yet, but there is a hope because the "smaller" 1000X HD has them and my 2000X HD recently did too, through a firmware update.

I'd really like to see that firmware update already. 😔

[Martin72]

That was something I had criticized early on, that you don't have a math function for each channel, so at the same time.
It was said at the time that would not be feasible for performance reasons and I had accepted that, because I appreciate the prudence of siglent very much, not to integrate every feature at any price.
But apparently it is now possible, assuming that the performance of the 1000X HD is sufficient.
Then it should also work with the 2000Xplus.