SDS800X HD Wanted Features

[eTobey]

User experience:
        More important:
                - Adjust knob looses function after menu closes (it changes intensity after menu is closed). Make option to have it adjust what is has adjusted before, even when
                   the menu is closed (by hand or automatically). Activate intensity adjust only on long push. Revert back to previous adjust value with another long push.
                        -> Using it with changing history frames (Does apply to other funtions too! Maving gate on measurements, ...):
                                - 1. Menu closes: keep adjusting what has been adjustet with open menu.
                                - 2. long push: activate intensity adjust.
                                - 3. another long push: activate function as was on point 1. (point 2. and 3. can repeat indefinitely)

                - When put in invalid values as gate position, there is no warning (old value just stays)      
                - GUI adjustments: see picture "remove replace". (Less useless digits on the screen, and prevent "X1/X2" from hiding time numbers)
                - When selecting a channel to have the scale of it beeing shown, the persistance is cleared. Dont clear persistance at any case, except scale adjust or clear
                   sweeps button.
      
        Less important:
                - Channel tabs on the bottom could be slightly resized (dynamically sizing the tabs, depending how wide the content is, would give even more space - but dont
                   go smaller than some minium size) to allow the 5th element to be visible more. Alternatively the fifth tab could be hidden (in big font mode),
                   and the "left right buttons" could be made bigger.
                   See here: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/sds800x-hd-bugswanted-features/msg5475586/#msg5475586
                - Channels: It is possible to close another channel by holding the button, BUT:
                        - Firstly it activates the channel tab first, and then closes it. (1000ms to activate channel, and another 1000ms to close it)
                        - Secondly it takes to long. It looks like 1000ms , but could be easily 300ms or less.
                        - Expected behaviour: close channel when holding button of channel for more than 300ms. (Having a user customizable value here could be realized at the
                           same time with other features i suggested before)
                        - In general activating the tabs of channels is very laggy.
                - When changing probe attenuation, the vertical scale has to be adjusted by the user too (to show the waveform with the same height), which could be automated.
                - Dot display of wave does not work in search mode??? This is really dissapointing.
                - When using the knob with search events, it moves in the wrong direction compared to the history navigation.

Features:
                - When navigate menu is open, pressing navigate, should switch through types, starting from the current.
                - On occasions, where only channels would be selected (for trigger source or similar), have a submenu, that is right beside the menu. It make quick switching possible
                   without moving the hand. (Trigger, Measure, and maybe more) See picture "to far away - have a menu.jpg".
                - Option to have "clear sweeps" button to only clear traces of waveforms, and NOT measurements.
                - Colorgrade on persistance
                - Threshold (upper /lower) not working with measurement "mean" see picture "threshold useless.jpg"
                - Persistance mode when going through search frames/windows. (Just like when going through history frames)
                - Have gate reference on screen. (Enable going through search events and measure something at always the same place)
                - Possibility to navigate timeintervals with navigate buttons (add feature to navigate mode time - "navigate in intervals")

[eTobey]

Feature suggest:
Make it visible which source the cursors are using. Had my cursor on F4, and then had accidently turned it off. It switched to C4, but did not switch back to F4, when turning F4 back on.

[ebastler]

Feature suggest: Make it visible which source the cursors are using.

Aren't the cursors color-coded with the channel color? That's good enough for me, even though with Math channels coming into the picture, the colors are not always very clearly distinguishable. Personally I struggle with the different flavors of red.

I believe the larger Siglent scopes have user-selectable channel colors. Getting those in the SDS800X HD would be my preference (over additional labels indicating the cursor/channel relationship), because it would have broader benefits when working with the channels.

[TomKatt]

Not sure how much attention this thread gets from Siglent, but I'm going to miss the data logger feature they introduced in the SDS1000X-E 4 channel scopes...  Very handy if you don't have a multimeter with an interface.

Hopefully they add that to the SDS800X HD series.

Edit - While I do appreciate the Power Analyzer (that seems like a very powerful tool), I'd guess that more people in the entry level bucket would use the data logger than the PA option that requires optional hardware accessories.  Something that powerful strikes me as more of a higher tier option for more advanced users.  Though I can see that calling these new scopes 'entry level' is becoming a misnomer - they are incredibly advanced for their pricepoint.

[Martin72]

Wanted Features:
1. new feature - Support custom channel colors. -- Martin

Interesting:
According to the data sheet from 02/2024, this should be available...

[tautech]

Not supported in current datasheet.
P18
https://int.siglent.com/u_file/download/24_07_01/SDS800X%20HD_Datasheet_EN01D.pdf

[Martin72]

I'll have to talk to batronix about keeping their uploads up to date.

[tszaboo]

So, some annoyance. I tried Bode plot through LAN.
The IP address you have to enter is through the regular keyboard, where the keys are way to small. Dot is like 3 keypress because it's on another page in the keyboard. Use the number input.
The field is also very small, doesn't fit an IP address.

[tszaboo]

Some more annoyance, that cost me probably an hour of time. So when you do a bode plot, and you have the 20MHz bandwidth limit on, then you have a 20MHz bandwidth limit on... 
I was swapping cables, fiddling with 50 Ohm output, placing attenuators here and there, replacing cables, trying to figure out why I have an bandwidth limit in my measurement...

[ebastler]

So when you do a bode plot, and you have the 20MHz bandwidth limit on, then you have a 20MHz bandwidth limit on... 

Good thing it's displayed in the channel info box at all times! 

[KungFuJosh]

So, some annoyance. I tried Bode plot through LAN.
The IP address you have to enter is through the regular keyboard, where the keys are way to small. Dot is like 3 keypress because it's on another page in the keyboard. Use the number input.
The field is also very small, doesn't fit an IP address.

I'm assuming you can use an external USB keyboard with the SDS800XHD. Have you tried one?

[tszaboo]

So when you do a bode plot, and you have the 20MHz bandwidth limit on, then you have a 20MHz bandwidth limit on... 

Good thing it's displayed in the channel info box at all times! 

It's not like that's what you are actually looking at when setting up the measurement.
Sure, you can say "User error hurr durr", but setting up a measurement to 50MHz maybe they should do a popup telling you to turn off bandwidth limit.

So, some annoyance. I tried Bode plot through LAN.
The IP address you have to enter is through the regular keyboard, where the keys are way to small. Dot is like 3 keypress because it's on another page in the keyboard. Use the number input.
The field is also very small, doesn't fit an IP address.

I'm assuming you can use an external USB keyboard with the SDS800XHD. Have you tried one?

I did, but my workbench is crowded as it is.

[ebastler]

Sure, you can say "User error hurr durr", but setting up a measurement to 50MHz maybe they should do a popup telling you to turn off bandwidth limit.

Yeah, well -- but then should they do the same in regular sweep mode when you switch to a fast time base? Personally I am not a friend of pop-up messages since they can be quite distracting.

[KungFuJosh]

I did, but my workbench is crowded as it is.

Same, that's why I used a wireless keyboard...and also why I can't find the keyboard. 🤣

[tautech]

So, some annoyance. I tried Bode plot through LAN.
The IP address you have to enter is through the regular keyboard, where the keys are way to small. Dot is like 3 keypress because it's on another page in the keyboard. Use the number input.
The field is also very small, doesn't fit an IP address.

Yes, the small touch display makes some things challenging......but not when you use a mouse. 

[Furna]

Yes, the small touch display makes some things challenging......but not when you use a mouse. 

I want a mouse included with the scope then 

[tautech]

Yes, the small touch display makes some things challenging......but not when you use a mouse. 

I want a mouse included with the scope then 

You can have one free with SDS2000X HD. 

[Martin72]

 
I haven't even unpacked the mouse that came with my 3000X HD.
I'm not yet ready to operate a scope with it....
But soon.

[KungFuJosh]

I also left the mouse that came with my SDS2000X HD in the box, because I already have a nicer wireless mouse I use...somewhere.

[eTobey]

Remember navigation type:
When having captured some frames, the type of navigation is always "time" after having stopped the accquire. It wont stay at "History Frame", which is quite annoying if you work a lot with it. Two additional clicks, where the last one could be missed if you work without a mouse (No margin).

[eTobey]

Improve search feature:
Include a "trigger holdoff" feature. Using the search feature on a set of bursts of pulses in a proper way is impossible. (see picture "burst.jpg") 

Improve GUI:
Remove numbers that are of no relevance (Last to digits in the picture "ugly.jpg"). Becausethereadabilityissufferingbigtime!

CursorX Ref functionality for measurement gate:
Wanted to measure pulses on search events, but when switching through search events, the gate always stays at the particular event the gate was originally set on, and not on the screen. The cursor has the option to switch this behaviour.

Keep gate adjustment after menu closed:
It works fine with the cursors, but not with the gate adjustment of the measurement. (It might not be that important, but this is what i use as workaround, because the search feature is useless for my current need)

[2N3055]

Improve search feature:
Include a "trigger holdoff" feature. Using the search feature on a set of bursts of pulses in a proper way is impossible. (see picture "burst.jpg") 

Improve GUI:
Remove numbers that are of no relevance (Last to digits in the picture "ugly.jpg"). Becausethereadabilityissufferingbigtime!

CursorX Ref functionality for measurement gate:
Wanted to measure pulses on search events, but when switching through search events, the gate always stays at the particular event.

Keep gate adjustment after menu closed:
It works fine with the cursors, but not with the gate adjustment of the measurement. (It might not be that important, but this is what i use as workaround, because the search feature is useless for my current need)

Just a reality check:

Search is search. It is there to specifically search without blind time.
For more sophisticated search, more expensive scopes have SignalScan that is more powerful.
MSOX3104T scope from Keysight (I leave it to you to find out the price) has same search.

Number display optimization is reported long time ago and being worked on. That is good suggestion but already known.

Cursors either work in manual mode in which case they stay where you set them, or in tracking mode that is also obeying positions you set. In measurement mode it will follow the measurements, in which case it will also follow the screen. Which does what you want.
Case of "need to learn more"

If I understood correctly, you want to keep adjusting gates after menu closes? Why don't you simply keep menu open and do it that way? Also there are 2 gates which one you will keep adjusting? How do I adjust screen in meantime?
Just keep menu open when doing "unusual" stuff.

[eTobey]

Just a reality check:

Your reality? Now thanks! I'll stick with objectice and constructive discussions.

[2N3055]

Just a reality check:

Your reality? Now thanks! I'll stick with objectice and constructive discussions.

 

[eTobey]

Feature request:
Add trigger holdoff time for Trigger type "Qualified", "Delay" and "Setup/Hold".