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Siemens Probability Meter
« on: July 25, 2022, 12:58:30 am »
 

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Re: Siemens Probability Meter
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2022, 01:08:03 am »
Looks suspiciously like a sophisticated bullshit meter to me.

Plug the news into it. Off the scale, I'm sure.
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Re: Siemens Probability Meter
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2022, 01:14:39 am »
Looks like an input and an output on the front panel?
 
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Re: Siemens Probability Meter
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2022, 01:17:50 am »
Does it have something to do with phases of two inputs being measured?
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Re: Siemens Probability Meter
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2022, 03:55:26 am »
Someone on Twitter said this:
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It's a Vibration analysis meter, but ask a German schooled engineer who was around in the early 70s, I can only go by the google searched translations of German texts.
SIEMENS-ZEITSCHRIFT, Band 48, Nr. 9, 1974; P. Ringlage: "Schwingungsanalyse mit dem Probabilitymeter" *

Could be a coherence meter?
 

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Re: Siemens Probability Meter
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2022, 07:44:24 am »
I'm going to guess, that it's some sort of statistical meter, where you input pulses on the two coax, and it gives you some statistical probability of the process. But the minimum frequency indicated on the front makes me wonder, that it's probably not that.
 

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Re: Siemens Probability Meter
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2022, 08:49:08 am »
I would think it measures the phase shift between two signals.

Hook it up to a function generator with 2 outputs and play with the phase angle to see how this instrument reacts.
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Re: Siemens Probability Meter
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2022, 09:32:26 am »
I bet it's a window comparator. Channels have separated level controls and common delta.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Window_detector
 

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Re: Siemens Probability Meter
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2022, 02:07:42 pm »
@georgd Yes, I believe so. It will show the duty cycle of the comparator output, i.e. the percentage of time spent within the window. So if you e.g. fix ΔUREF and vary UREF (with suitable step-size) you will get a histogram. That would be U-mode, I guess it will also have an A-B correlation mode.

The output will be on the back. Likely just the "probabilty" as a 0-1V voltage signal or something. Potentially with a switchable low-pass filter (the output knob has a "DC" position and another one that is not visible).

Btw has anyone else noticed that the plastic knob for the UB reference voltage is not actually missing? It has just been "misplaced". Where's Wally?
 

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Re: Siemens Probability Meter
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2022, 04:30:38 pm »
@georgd Yes, I believe so. It will show the duty cycle of the comparator output, i.e. the percentage of time spent within the window. So if you e.g. fix ΔUREF and vary UREF (with suitable step-size) you will get a histogram. That would be U-mode, I guess it will also have an A-B correlation mode.

The output will be on the back. Likely just the "probabilty" as a 0-1V voltage signal or something. Potentially with a switchable low-pass filter (the output knob has a "DC" position and another one that is not visible).

Btw has anyone else noticed that the plastic knob for the UB reference voltage is not actually missing? It has just been "misplaced". Where's Wally?

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Re: Siemens Probability Meter
« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2022, 11:17:03 pm »
I second the vibration analysis approach. In contrast to a scope this will also show nice readings for incommensurable cycles/nonperiodic incidents, e.g. when dealing with a lot of nonlinear stuff. Like fluid dynamics feedback on electromechanical components...
 


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