Rigol MSO 5000 hardware/software revisions

[skander36]

It seem that the keyboard input is not accepted. Every keystroke determined closing the form you are trying to fill .

[Gandalf_Sr]

I was going to say that I didn't think the MSO5000 supported a keyboard.

[skander36]

I was going to say that I didn't think the MSO5000 supported a keyboard.

Yes, it can spare the keyboard an buy only a mouse. I also use the M185 . It has good battery life .

[ve2mrx]

You should try a USB hub?

Martin

[skander36]

You should try a USB hub?

Martin

No need for keyboard, because it cannot be used with Rigol 5000 .

[noreply]

You should try a USB hub?

Martin

No need for keyboard, because it cannot be used with Rigol 5000 .

Is 'keyboard & mouse' OFFICIALLY unsupported?

I heard that by using USB hub (system knows there is more than one USB port) a keyboard / mouse can be used??

If there is absolutely no support for K&M, then has anyone tried to install a suitable USB driver for K&M support which is compatible with the Kernel??

You would think that this 'feature' (especially when you are in a lab environment) would have been trivial to implement by RIGOL - so why leave it out 

[noreply]

You should try a USB hub?

Martin

No need for keyboard, because it cannot be used with Rigol 5000 .

Is 'keyboard & mouse' OFFICIALLY unsupported?

I heard that by using USB hub (system knows there is more than one USB port) a keyboard / mouse can be used??

If there is absolutely no support for K&M, then has anyone tried to install a suitable USB driver for K&M support which is compatible with the Kernel??

You would think that this 'feature' (especially when you are in a lab environment) would have been trivial to implement by RIGOL - so why leave it out 

OK ...

- I can offically confirm that K&M does indeed work 

- if USB hub is plugged-in and system is rebooted 

[skander36]

You should try a USB hub?

Martin

No need for keyboard, because it cannot be used with Rigol 5000 .

Is 'keyboard & mouse' OFFICIALLY unsupported?

I heard that by using USB hub (system knows there is more than one USB port) a keyboard / mouse can be used??

If there is absolutely no support for K&M, then has anyone tried to install a suitable USB driver for K&M support which is compatible with the Kernel??

You would think that this 'feature' (especially when you are in a lab environment) would have been trivial to implement by RIGOL - so why leave it out 

Mouse is supported, even plug&play and some of numerical inputs parameters are managed by scroll wheel.
Keyboard is not unsupported but somehow banned in a way that any input from keyboard make the forms that you try to edit to be closed.
That is what I have observed until now, maybe my keyboard is not supported . I'm using wireless kb and mouse.

[noreply]

You should try a USB hub?

Martin

No need for keyboard, because it cannot be used with Rigol 5000 .

Is 'keyboard & mouse' OFFICIALLY unsupported?

I heard that by using USB hub (system knows there is more than one USB port) a keyboard / mouse can be used??

If there is absolutely no support for K&M, then has anyone tried to install a suitable USB driver for K&M support which is compatible with the Kernel??

You would think that this 'feature' (especially when you are in a lab environment) would have been trivial to implement by RIGOL - so why leave it out 

Mouse is supported, even plug&play and some of numerical inputs parameters are managed by scroll wheel.
Keyboard is not unsupported but somehow banned in a way that any input from keyboard make the forms that you try to edit to be closed.
That is what I have observed until now, maybe my keyboard is not supported . I'm using wireless kb and mouse.

Hmm ...

I can confirm KB works OK

- using email settup form
- perhaps it could be a KB specific issue??

I can also confirm that if USB mouse & keyboard 'wireless dongle' is removed from hub

- it will not remount device once you plug-it-in again
- so definately not full plug and play 

Perhaps this is specific to the K220 & M150 logitech devices I have

[tv84]

I can also confirm that if USB mouse & keyboard 'wireless dongle' is removed from hub

- it will not remount device once you plug-it-in again
- so definately not full plug and play 

Perhaps this is specific to the K220 & M150 logitech devices I have

Shouldn't be as logitech dongles tend to be pretty good in HID compliance.

Maybe Rigol just doesnt implement full plug&pray but nonetheless it seems a nice addition.

[noreply]

BTW

I just got a new 5074 (Build: 2020-02-26)

Am trying to do a 'step-by-step' hands-on review

Will be posting my (notable) 'findings' as I discover them ...

The K&M issue was the first thing I noticed

- I'm glad that it is resolved
- at least we CAN use an external USB K&M

[noreply]

Shouldn't be as logitech dongles tend to be pretty good in HID compliance.

Maybe Rigol just doesnt implement full plug&pray but nonetheless it seems a nice addition.

Yep ...

Exactly my sentimets and I was very surprised when it did not work

After a few calls to Rigol, I got a cryptic answer that K&M is supported via hub (makes sense)

- but it does not 'recognize' hub until you do a reboot
- definately something Rigol can do to fix I hope 

[skander36]

- it will not remount device once you plug-it-in again
- so definately not full plug and play 

Perhaps this is specific to the K220 & M150 logitech devices I have

It work every time when I remove and plug dongle with my M185/K270. Until last version it was not plug&play. What fw version are you using ?
On email setup the form is indeed accept inputs from keyboard after a short "fight" with a virtual keyboard.
I did not try with hub .

[jemangedeslolos]

I tried with my cheap Tecknet mouse and as you had suggested to me, it works very well if the dongle is here before a power on cycle.
So the MSO7000 behave like the 5000.
I always leave the dongle plugged now. It's convenient to have 3 usb ports.

I bought a compact mouse + keyboard set.
it will be more convnient to enter the label for example hoping it works.

[noreply]

What fw version are you using ?

Because I'm trying to get 'hands-on' (my first Rigol) .. I'm not jumping-in with FW upgrade just yet ...

The device is new - build 2020-02-26, but FW is 00.01.02.00.03

So there definately (he thinks he is correct - but probably not) was 'later' FW available prior to OS build 

But yeah, cannot be definative with anything as yet - perhaps the 00.01.03.00.01 has resolved the K&M / hub P&P issues 

I will get to it soon - but thought to report as i go along 


BTW: like the 'black' look - hate the fingerprint & everything static magnet

[noreply]

Some more observations ...

Screen Brightness - for me its perfect - in room with ambient / low lights
Fan noise - not noticably louder than my Siglent SSA (Now SVA - thanks tv and the group)

Initial fiddle with menu structure is OK
- but don't like the - what appears (because this is totally new to me) not intuative layout
- because I need to think 'where is that menu for the function I want'

The 5074 has no inputs as yet

- nothing to analyze
- after 10 minutes I can feel 'heat' at the rear
- non fan side
- not hot
- just normal
- but quite warm air
- so even in static state
- it does produce some heat
- wonder what will happen during heavy load

[ve2mrx]

Just something to watch out for: keyboard layouts! Keyboards send scan codes, not characters!

For this reason, maybe the scope "dislikes" some of the typed-in keys?

Is there a place to set the keyboard layout in the scope?

[noreply]

Is there a place to set the keyboard layout in the scope?

There does not appear to be any configurations relating to Keyboard / Mouse

The OS Kernel simply picks-up the HID device it (should) sees in the USB hub and 'deals with the internal data' as per defined protocols - much like it would in a regular PC

[ve2mrx]

Meaning we have no way to match our typing expectations to the scope's actual character selection?

What layout is set in the scope's linux? For some reason, I expect En-US...

Martin

[noreply]

I can now OFFICIALLY confirm that with the latest FW - 00.01.03.00.01 (build 2020-03-30)

The USB port - without hub - fully supports the Logitech MK220 wireless mouse / keyboard combo.

This KB / Mouse is very compact (minimalistic design - see image) and is 'black' in colour - so goes well with the MSO5000 

Also in the UK can get at < GBP20

BTW

Regarding keyboard layout

- my version is UK / US
- so most likely En-US

[Gandalf_Sr]

I have a Logitech M185 mouse that works well but only on the front Type A USB port; has anyone made a mouse work from the rear Type B port?  I bought a B to A USB adapter and it didn't work with the Logitech dongle.

[aristarchus]

I have a Logitech M185 mouse that works well but only on the front Type A USB port; has anyone made a mouse work from the rear Type B port?  I bought a B to A USB adapter and it didn't work with the Logitech dongle.

Isnt the rear one a "USB DEVICE Interface" ?
I guess it is not host, so it is used only to connect the oscope to your PC as a device.

[luma]

That's correct - front USB A port is a USB host, meaning it can have devices plugged into it and control them as normal.  Rear USB B is USB device, meaning it can be plugged into a host for remote control of the scope.  If you need more USB A ports to connect additinal devices, use a hub connected to the front port.

[Gandalf_Sr]

Isn't the rear one a "USB DEVICE Interface" ?
I guess it is not host, so it is used only to connect the oscope to your PC as a device.

I think you're right, not being a USB expert, the idea that it is only a 'device' totally escaped my feeble mind.  Anyway, the slight irritation is that, if the front USB port is used for a mouse dongle, then there's no USB port available to run a USB drive to save screen captures to - unless you run a hub.

[Gandalf_Sr]

So, a hub seems like a good purchase.  Can anyone confirm what works with the MSO5000?  I think it's USB 2.0 and wondered if this one from Amazon would do?