Rigol HDO1000 and HDO4000 12bit oscilloscopes launched in China

[balnazzar]

Delivery time about 1 month = not available

I usually buy instruments from italian reseller Batterfly, they told me that there is not even a date for availability so it's useless to put it on listing (like every other seller).

How are their assistance & tech support? I'm in search of a reliable reseller for a SDS2000X+ purchase.

Notes:

1. You may want to wait for the HDOs to be available on Amazon. Usually, Rigol stuff gets on Amazon shortly after release.

2. You may want to evaluate the HDO1K before purchasing: it's acoustically noisy (the HDO4K has two 3600 rpm 60x15 fans.. Much probably the 1K has the same configuration).

[dschiedsch]

Hello
I was wondering if someone has thaught about replacing the fans in the scope
To me they sound relatively loud

The type is a
MGA6012MR-O15

If you have the space, you can fit a thicker, lower RPM fan in there. If the replacement fan has the same power rating, it moves about the same amount of air versus pressure so it should provide an equal amount of cooling.

Seems to be enough room in there.
I will look at thicker versions.

Also the 30dBA from the datasheet of that one seem much lower than what i hear
because that sure is not the rustling of leaves in the wind.

[balnazzar]

Seems to be enough room in there.
I will look at thicker versions.

Look for Noctua and Noiseblocker, 25mm thick.

Thinker fans move much more air per rotation.

[TK]

I received the scope today... software seems to be very very unreliable.  When I enable SPI decoding, it hangs and restarts all the time.  It is the first test I run on new scopes and this one failed miserably.

I see a huge BUGS BONANZA video coming from Dave...

Fan is very noisy, scope UI in general is very responsive and I like the UI design, the screen size and brightness.

[2N3055]

I received the scope today... software seems to be very very unreliable.  When I enable SPI decoding, it hangs and restarts all the time.  It is the first test I run on new scopes and this one failed miserably.

I see a huge BUGS BONANZA video coming from Dave...

Fan is very noisy, scope UI in general is very responsive and I like the UI design, the screen size and brightness.

Can you move and resize decode windows? What is shown in User Manual is very bad layout, pretty much unusable....

As for the bugs, I did say it all seems very rushed to the market..

[Martin72]

I see a huge BUGS BONANZA video coming from Dave...

As seen as on the MSO5000...Let´s hope he got time for it.

As for the bugs, I did say it all seems very rushed to the market..

Oh not again rigol...
5000/7000 bugs weren´t fixed all until today, I´ve got a bad feeling about the new ones...
Let´s hope I´m wrong.

[Martin72]

To keep the hacking thread clear, I post it here....

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/hacking-the-hdo1khdo4k-rigol-12-bit-scope/msg4519394/#msg4519394

Maybe LeCroy wasn't happy... ? 

My thoughts on it:

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rigol-hdo1000-and-hdo4000-12bit-oscilloscopes-launched-in-china/msg4312669/#msg4312669

 

[tv84]

Isn't this OT? Are we not posting on the wrong thread (at least according with the title)? 

[Martin72]

 

[dschiedsch]

Seems there is a first FW update available for the HDO4K
https://www.rigol.eu/En/Index/listView/catid/28/tp/6/cat/7/xl/52

no description though

[skander36]

Seems there is a first FW update available for the HDO4K
https://www.rigol.eu/En/Index/listView/catid/28/tp/6/cat/7/xl/52

no description though

In the FPGA section we can see BODE reference ... Maybe with an external gen?

[Martin72]

Doesn´t looks like it was implemented with the actual firmware.

Maybe with an external gen?

In case of the both HDO´s, it can go only this way.
Or this is meant for future models.
Or this is meaning nothing...

[thm_w]

Translation:
- Complete chip and board level self-test, including DDR calibration parameter readback
- Conventional oscilloscope program, without Bode plot
- Bode function version, without high resolution

So for whatever reason, generating a Bode plot means no access to high-resolution. I wouldn't expect a bode plot to be very taxing, as its just plotting data, you can use the oscilloscopes built in measurements to do that.

Could be a code thing, they have a Bode plotter that works in 8-bit and they haven't ported it to 12-bit.

edit: missed that A75T and A100T, is that a different FPGA device?

[2N3055]

Nobody noticed a mention of HDO2000  ? 

[MegaVolt]

Several FPGA bistreams mean that all the functionality does not fit at the same time. Those It is possible that a separate firmware is loaded for different modes.

[Fungus]

Nobody noticed a mention of HDO2000  ? 

There were a lot more models listed in the hacking thread, I thought you saw them...

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/hacking-the-hdo1khdo4k-rigol-12-bit-scope/msg4501234/#msg4501234

[2N3055]

Several FPGA bistreams mean that all the functionality does not fit at the same time. Those It is possible that a separate firmware is loaded for different modes.

Which is exactly what I said before..
While platform is generally united, every model still has some details that need be taken into account. FPGA bitstream is probably hardcoded for 1 or 2 ADC. Also if they make MSO those will have different FPGA bitstream too..

[2N3055]

Nobody noticed a mention of HDO2000  ? 

There were a lot more models listed in the hacking thread, I thought you saw them...

https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/hacking-the-hdo1khdo4k-rigol-12-bit-scope/msg4501234/#msg4501234

Thank you for pointing that out, no I didn't. My mind immediately spotted 8000A as out of pattern, and since that was model much more interesting to me it got my attention.. It's not like I do this as a professional analysis where I pay complete attention to every detail... We are just discussing these things here for fun..

And since I noticed it now, I wonder what that one would be..
Originally HDO1000 datasheet was saying 1GS/s sampling rate. Then they changed it to 2GS/s.
Could it been that they meant to release 2000 but won't?. They realized there is too much segmentation on basically same hardware?

Or if they will release 2000 what would it be?
They cannot make 2000 sample faster than 1000 because that is 4000 already...
They say HD so it has to be 12 bit.
Maybe 1000 with MSO option will be called 2000?

 

[skander36]

The apk's launch in emulator but because they don't found the specific hardware, freeze on the Rigol logo screen.

[dschiedsch]

Did a little comparison between old and new FW

Seems like there is a new/different HW revision out there
They included a new network driver
"insmod ethernet PHY driver for Motorcomm - YT8531S"
also the bitstream files for the fpga include a B Version now with a note suggesting a different FPGA (probably less Tile fabrics)

The main apk as well as the launcher and Webcontrol got an update
as did the bitstream files for the FPGA

Haven't found an official change log yet though

[thm_w]

also the bitstream files for the fpga include a B Version now with a note suggesting a different FPGA (probably less Tile fabrics)

Yeah, so the two part numbers are (datasheet, table):
- XC7A75T 75520 LE, 180 DSP, 3780 RAM
- XC7A100T 101440 LE, 240 DSP, 4860 RAM

Cost is about 17% more, on Digikey.

[Fungus]

also the bitstream files for the fpga include a B Version now with a note suggesting a different FPGA (probably less Tile fabrics)

Yeah, so the two part numbers are (datasheet, table):
- XC7A75T 75520 LE, 180 DSP, 3780 RAM
- XC7A100T 101440 LE, 240 DSP, 4860 RAM

Cost is about 17% more, on Digikey.

Maybe they've optimized the code so they don't need the more expensive FPGA any more.

[2N3055]

also the bitstream files for the fpga include a B Version now with a note suggesting a different FPGA (probably less Tile fabrics)

Yeah, so the two part numbers are (datasheet, table):
- XC7A75T 75520 LE, 180 DSP, 3780 RAM
- XC7A100T 101440 LE, 240 DSP, 4860 RAM

Cost is about 17% more, on Digikey.

Maybe they've optimized the code so they don't need the more expensive FPGA any more.

Something like that, yes.
I explained it before. Because production is just ramping up and development is obviously not finished yet, so they repurposed some HDO4000 BOM, until they make sure how much they can cut down. Then they will make "optimized" (cut down) version. But they actually have to develop it to the point that they have good idea of resources they need.
That is not uncommon during development. But it normally happens during development. Meaning these scopes were released during late prototype phases. Basically when they had release candidates they released product. That is slightly pre beta or early beta phases... A bit too soon for my taste.
That explains state of software.

[markone]

also the bitstream files for the fpga include a B Version now with a note suggesting a different FPGA (probably less Tile fabrics)

Yeah, so the two part numbers are (datasheet, table):
- XC7A75T 75520 LE, 180 DSP, 3780 RAM
- XC7A100T 101440 LE, 240 DSP, 4860 RAM

Cost is about 17% more, on Digikey.

Maybe they've optimized the code so they don't need the more expensive FPGA any more.

I would not be surprised if XILINX's FPGA above some size are in embargo (if aimed to CHINA) due to current international situation.

[markone]

I contacted Rigolshop.eu regarding availability of HDO1072 / HDO1074, i was told that this models will be in stock after mid-December.

In the meanwhile i can spot the very same SKUs fully available on rigolna.com ... WT* is that ?!

As if European money is not welcome in Rigol's pockets, not happy at all about that.

All this while the euro is at all-time low exchange rate vs USD.

Just out of curiosity, how much are purchase fee in USA for this kind of products ?

Here in Italy we have a stunning 22%