Author Topic: Rigol DS1000E --> DS2000 (Read 42947 times)

olsenn · « **on:** March 01, 2012, 11:59:26 pm »

Apparently Rigol is producing yet another scope, this time what appears to be a replacement to the DS1000E series. It features 70Mhz/100MHz/200MHz analog bandwidth, 2GSa/s, 14Mpt - 56Mpt memory depth, and some other neat looking features.

Unfortunately, the product desciption is only in Chinese at the moment, and the Yahoo translation is, albeit hillarious, unreadable. You can find more information for it here: http://cn.rigol.com/prodserv/DS2000/

EEVblog · « **Reply #1 on:** March 02, 2012, 12:36:38 am »

500uV/DIV ? Awesome!

At 50,000wfs and 14Mpoint this is serious business.
If it does actually replace the 1000 series, and is a similar price point, then that's pretty game changing at the bottom end of the market.

Dave.

EEVblog · « **Reply #2 on:** March 02, 2012, 12:47:23 am »

Looks like it was released 1st March?
http://www.epc.com.cn/news/20120301/14937.asp

Dave.

A Hellene · « **Reply #3 on:** March 02, 2012, 01:01:17 am »

There is nothing wrong with Google-translate:
http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&u=http://cn.rigol.com/prodserv/DS2000/

Of course, life can always become easier when we try to combine information!
http://www.rigol.com/prodserv/DS2000/

Quoting (and proofreading!) text of the original page:

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DS2000 Series is the new mainstream digital scope.

Features:
* 2 channels
* Lower noise floor, larger vertical range: 500uV/div ~ 10V/div
* Bandwidth: 70MHz, 100MHz, 200MHz
* Max. Sample Rate: 2GSa/s
* Standard Memory Depth: 14Mpts. Optional Memory Depth up to 56Mpts
* Waveform capture rate up to 50,000 wfs/s
* UltraVision technology with Multi-Level intensity grading display
* Hardware based real time waveform record and analysis function (Standard)
* A variety of trigger and serial bus decoding functions
* Automatic measurements with statistics
* Advanced math functions (user defined)
* Complete connectivity: USB Host, USB Device, LAN(LXI), AUX
* 8 inch TFT (800x480) WVGA
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Not bad for their entry-level scope. Not bad at all!

-George

EEVblog · « **Reply #4 on:** March 02, 2012, 01:11:32 am »

Quote from: A Hellene on March 02, 2012, 01:01:17 am

Not bad for their entry-level scope. Not bad at all!

Frigg'n brilliant if you ask me.
The question is what will it cost?
No way they can do it for the current DS1052E price, if they did, the low end scope market is 100% theirs and they won't be able to make enough.
I expect pricing of at least double.

Dave.

amspire · « **Reply #5 on:** March 02, 2012, 01:14:39 am »

It looks like it is a big range with 25 different models.

The model numbering for the E series will be

DS2XX2E where XX is the bandwith: 05 - 50MHz, 07 - 70MHz, 10 100MHz, 20 200MHz and 30 for 300MHz.

http://www.lxistandard.org/products/ProductList.aspx

Richard

Edit: Dave, when are you going to do the blog on upgrading the DS2053E to the DS2302E ?

A Hellene · « **Reply #6 on:** March 02, 2012, 01:19:39 am »

Quote from: EEVblog on March 02, 2012, 01:11:32 am

The question is what will it cost?

It should be around USD 1000-1800, since DS4012, the lightest member of the DS4000 line, costs USD 2100.

-George

amspire · « **Reply #7 on:** March 02, 2012, 01:39:10 am »

That LXI reference I posted above indicates that all the scopes in the Rigol 2000 series will come with LAN interfaces using the LXI (LAN-based eXtensions for Instrumentation) protocol. There will also be the USB interface.

This is a consortium which includes Agilent aiming at a replacement for IEEE488/GPIB.

Richard.

amspire · « **Reply #8 on:** March 02, 2012, 02:08:02 am »

Back at the release of the DS4000 series and DG4000 series, the first two of the "Four Diamond" series of products, Xing Fei of Rigol mentioned that the next generation of upcoming "Four Diamond" products (like the ds2000 series) will have “incredible” prices.

There were going to be two big releases coming, so there is one more big release to be announced after the DS2000. Perhaps new function generators? They already have lots of them, but then again, the current DG2041 is overpriced compared to the DG4000 series generators. Low end spectrum analysers?

EEVblog · « **Reply #9 on:** March 02, 2012, 02:24:09 am »

It looks like I'll eventually have a 4000 series scope to review (in month or two), and hopefully this new 2000 as well.
They already have a new function gen, the DG4000 series which is nicely priced, and this might be on the way too.
Things are in motion...

Dave.

hugos31 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 02, 2012, 12:27:55 pm »

DS2000 shares characteristics with his older brother DS4000

http://www.rigol.com/prodserv/131/

olsenn · « **Reply #11 on:** March 02, 2012, 02:15:25 pm »

Quote

There were going to be two big releases coming, so there is one more big release to be announced after the DS2000. Perhaps new function generators? They already have lots of them, but then again, the current DG2041 is overpriced compared to the DG4000 series generators. Low end spectrum analysers?

I'll be (hopfully) getting the new Rigol DSA-815 spectrum analyzer soon, and when i do I'll be sure to do a review of it.

saturation · « **Reply #12 on:** March 02, 2012, 03:24:10 pm »

Nice scopes, thanks for that post and leads. Can't wait for them to show up, it appears to be Agilent's only real competition at fast update rates.

robrenz · « **Reply #13 on:** March 02, 2012, 05:50:38 pm »

On this page from above http://www.rigol.com/prodserv/DS2000/
all but one of the screens shows 4Gsample/sec.

robrenz · « **Reply #14 on:** March 02, 2012, 06:01:26 pm »

So I guess sales borrowed a 4000 to show the features the 2000 will have.

0xdeadbeef · « **Reply #15 on:** March 02, 2012, 06:37:49 pm »

Wow, this looks pretty awesome and could break Owon's puny neck. Probably I should sell my SDS8102 as long as I get some money for it

Just a pity that the 4ch scopes seem to be exclusive for the DS4000/6000 series.
I wonder if they will be able to decode SPI with the trigger channel as CS and if the pricing of the decoder will be a bit more competitive. Prices for decoder options on the DS4000 are pretty damn high compared to that on Hameg HMO where you get two or three protocols for half the price.

Kilroy · « **Reply #16 on:** March 03, 2012, 12:27:24 am »

Quote from: EEVblog on March 02, 2012, 12:36:38 am

500uV/DIV ? Awesome!

For sure.

I'm not sure why there are so few scopes out there with 500uV sensitivity, or better, because it certainly is useful. I have a HP 1201A low frequency storage scope that does 100uV/Div. Really low drift and CMRR...nice for low noise circuitry, biomed, audio and the like.

EEVblog · « **Reply #17 on:** March 03, 2012, 12:57:47 am »

Quote from: Kilroy on March 03, 2012, 12:27:24 am

I'm not sure why there are so few scopes out there with 500uV sensitivity, or better, because it certainly is useful.

It's a function of bandwidth essentially. It not easy to design a low noise front end with high bandwidth, but it is possible, especially so with bandwidth limiting options. Most just don't bother I guess. However, now it seems to be becoming popular, with Lecroy/Hameg, and now Rigol advertising such a feature.

Dave.

ejeffrey · « **Reply #18 on:** March 03, 2012, 10:07:03 am »

The Johnson noise of a resistor is:

sqrt(4*k*T*R*B)

A 1 megaohm scope using a 10x probe sees about 900 kohm impedance which gives 1.2 mV RMS(or 6 millivolt Pk-Pk) noise in 100 MHz bandwidth. In reality it isn't quote so bad as all that. At high frequency the resistors are shunted by the compensation capacitors which don't add noise. Still, the Johnson noise is already a significant fraction of the noise floor and the vertical amplifiers add their own noise.

So to get much utility out of a 500 uV/div input you need to engage the bandwidth limit, turn on signal averaging, use a 50 ohm input coupling, or drive the scope from a low impedance source instead of using a 10x probe.

A Hellene · « **Reply #19 on:** March 03, 2012, 10:35:36 am »

Ah, yes, the Johnson-Nyquist thermal noise. Fortunately,

Quote from: A Hellene on June 06, 2011, 06:54:06 pm

[...]
The oscilloscope probes are extremely complicated animals, despite the textbooks that describe them as simple passive devices with resistive and capacitive dividers. For example, no x1 passive probe can go further beyond the 20..50 MHz barrier. Why?
Please, read an excellent article by Doug Ford on the oscilloscope probes, that was published at the Silicon Chip in 2009:
The secret world of Oscilloscope Probes (Doug Ford, 2009).
[...]

Not to mention the all time classic Tek manual, Oscilloscope Probe Circuits (Joe Weber, 1969).

-George

hugos31 · « **Reply #20 on:** March 03, 2012, 12:00:13 pm »

betray my old tektronix TDS3012 and buy Rigol DS2102 100mhz

Randall W. Lott · « **Reply #21 on:** March 04, 2012, 02:02:34 am »

I'm hoping for a price drop in the DS1052E after this. I've been wanting one, but my student budget doesn't agree.

IanB · « **Reply #22 on:** March 04, 2012, 09:42:54 am »

Unfortunately I think the price drop has already happened. The DS1102E halved in price from $800 to $400 and the DS1052E was reduced to $350.

hugos31 · « **Reply #23 on:** March 04, 2012, 02:32:55 pm »

when the sale begins by oscilloscope DS2000 ?

Joy at MCS · « **Reply #24 on:** March 05, 2012, 05:38:47 pm »

Rigol are scheduled to come out with the 2000 series of scopes in June of this year, but I wouldn't be surprised if it falls in to July.

They will be :
2 channel 70mhz
2 channel 100mhz
2 channell 200 mhz

Pricing for Europe hasn't been released yet.

As far as I'm aware this isn't to replace the 1000 series but just in addition to it. The new 2000 series have an 8 inch screen.

There are also going to be coming out with some other exciting products in the New Year.

Have a good example everyone,

joy


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