Hi,
Measured the DS1054Z today at work..
"Usable" values:
Rigol DS1054Z: Width: 115mm / Height : 70mm /Diagonal: 135mm
Rigol DHO804: Width: 150mm / Height: 60mm / Diagonal : 160mm
This is probably called an optical illusion.
Hi,
Measured the DS1054Z today at work..
"Usable" values:
Rigol DS1054Z: Width: 115mm / Height : 70mm /Diagonal: 135mm
Rigol DHO804: Width: 150mm / Height: 60mm / Diagonal : 160mm
This is probably called an optical illusion.
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That's about what I expected - DHO is wider because there's no side menus but vertical is less because the bars at top/bottom are bigger.
The DHOs have 12% more overall area... but really it's a toss-up because vertical is arguably more important than horizontal.
OTOH the DHOs have nearly twice as many vertical pixels so they easily win in terms of information displayed.
There's a pop-out side panel with measurements on it. Any measurement can be expanded to see stats by clicking the arrow at the bottom of the measurement.
Notice how much faster/easier it is to do than menu diving and using a twisty knob to turn things on/off.
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That's about what I expected - DHO is wider because there's no side menus but vertical is less because the bars at top/bottom are bigger.
The DHOs have 12% more overall area... but really it's a toss-up because vertical is arguably more important than horizontal.
OTOH the DHOs have nearly twice as many vertical pixels so they easily win in terms of information displayed.
DS1000Z: 800 x 480
DHO800 / 900: 1024 x 600
This is 25% more vertical resolution than the DS1000Z, which easily explains the somewhat crowded appearance of the DHO800 / 900's screen vs. the DHO1000 / 4000 series...
Resolution doesn't matter. Screen size does. A higher resolution (as in smaller dot size) gives a nicer image though. In some of my own projects that need a nice graphic interface I choose a display with a higher resolution so the UI is prettier to look at.
Resolution doesn't matter. Screen size does. A higher resolution (as in smaller dot size) gives a nicer image though. In some of my own projects that need a nice graphic interface I choose a display with a higher resolution so the UI is prettier to look at.
And it really is, it just looks better and sharper than the other 7" scopes I know.
The same effect can be seen on the 10" models, it just looks better, so the UI.
DS1000Z: 800 x 480
DHO800 / 900: 1024 x 600
Sincerely I have an hard time swallowing these DHO pictures. The menus seem rendered in 4K but the signal looks like Minecraft.
Well, maybe it's just me..
No.
I see it exactly the same way.
The presentation of the graphical elements benefits a lot from it, everything just looks sharper/better.
But the actual signal does not benefit from it.
Can you give us some of your personal pros/cons for comparison of MSO5000 and DHO800/900?
I'm also wondering why u decided to get this new DHO, because of the smaller size or fancy 12-bit resolution?
Sincerely I have an hard time swallowing these DHO pictures. The menus seem rendered in 4K but the signal looks like Minecraft.
Sincerely I have an hard time swallowing these DHO pictures. The menus seem rendered in 4K but the signal looks like Minecraft.
Maybe Android will let you install crude bitmap fonts to make the display look more familiar.
I prefer that scope should minimize usage of screen for anything that is not related to waveforms, or other useful data..
QuoteI prefer that scope should minimize usage of screen for anything that is not related to waveforms, or other useful data..
I would also like to have this with my Siglent.
As with Windows, for example.
Fades out after a few seconds, is back again at the touch of a finger/mouse.
We disable menu hide before dispatch so new users don't have it disappear while finding their way around a new DSO.
I prefer that scope should minimize usage of screen for anything that is not related to waveforms, or other useful data..
We disable menu hide before dispatch so new users don't have it disappear while finding their way around a new DSO.
They enable it by default?
Regarding the anti-aliased, nice-looking fonts: Why not? The screen resolution and grading capability is there anyway (driven by the need to display information-rich curves), so anti-aliased fonts come for free. They do not take up more space than crude bitmap fonts in lower resolution, and they do make the information easier to read.
I see people getting downright giddy how cool it looks and not even noticing when it is missing basic features...
Form over substance and utility.
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To summarize, I'm not against "cool" and sophisticatedly looking GUI. I'm against that being replacement for actual capabilities.
If you ask me, Rigol should have pushed for 10" screens even with lower resolution than they have now (to make it cheap enough to make to keep the product price range), not use use panoramic display ratio and therefore provide larger screen real estate to show information, even if fonts were a bit blocky...
But... Rigol knows all this. They know that DHO800/900 with lover resolution 10" screen would be perceived as same as DHO1000 (hint: they are pretty much same except screen and slightly higher sampling rate which makes no difference for a 100MHz scope). 800 and 900 are artificially created to make product for that range and make scope lineup differentiation.
Actually DHO900 with lover res 10" screen would make DHO1000 pretty much dead in a water, sales vise ...
I see people getting downright giddy how cool it looks and not even noticing when it is missing basic features...
Form over substance and utility.
[...]
To summarize, I'm not against "cool" and sophisticatedly looking GUI. I'm against that being replacement for actual capabilities.
Fully agree; choosing a scope based on its looks while ignoring the capabilities is not wise. Although, on second thought, that approach is probably not harmful for the (large?) share of hobbyists who only use very basic DSO functionality anyway -- essentially using it like a CRO which takes up less space, plus maybe the ability to stop and capture a trace. I am pretty sure that Rigol gets an above-average share of those users, and there's no harm in that. (Except for the missed opportunity to discover more advanced scope capabilities...)QuoteIf you ask me, Rigol should have pushed for 10" screens even with lower resolution than they have now (to make it cheap enough to make to keep the product price range), not use use panoramic display ratio and therefore provide larger screen real estate to show information, even if fonts were a bit blocky...
Yes indeed. Their screen design works fine on the 10" screen, I think, so there is nothing wrong with the choice of fonts, frames, colors per se. It's just that the settings displays and controls take up a rather large part of the 7" screen, which causes usability compromises some will be happy to accept while others will not.QuoteBut... Rigol knows all this. They know that DHO800/900 with lover resolution 10" screen would be perceived as same as DHO1000 (hint: they are pretty much same except screen and slightly higher sampling rate which makes no difference for a 100MHz scope). 800 and 900 are artificially created to make product for that range and make scope lineup differentiation.
Actually DHO900 with lover res 10" screen would make DHO1000 pretty much dead in a water, sales vise ...
No doubt, a lot of these design choices are marketing-driven. And I don't blame Rigol (or the other scope manufacturers) for that. Hobbyists benefit from this "market segmentation" approach, since they get a lot of functionality at an attractive price point, while the manufacturers still find differentiators to motivate commercial customers to pay much more. Screen size and bandwidth are nicely obvious differentiators which pretty much all manufacturers have relied on.
I am curious to see how Siglent will play this with the SDS1000X HD vs the 2000X HD. With the most recent spec changes they have positioned them even closer to each other, so it seems that they will either need to make the 1000X HD relatively expensive, or will lose a significant share of potential 2000X HD customers to it.