Rigol DHO800/900 pre-sales begin

[derree]

It's definitely a nice entry level scope, but for someone not needing the 12-bit vertical resolution or the portability it's quite expensive compared to the old king siglent sds1104x-e. Close to 600 Euros for the DHO814 in germany... possible hackability to a higher bandwidth not accounted for of course. Apart from the 12-bit ADC and the portability the siglent still has a higher bandwidth, dual ADC with 500 Ms/s for all 4 channels active, 7 megapoints per channel with all 4 channels active...

[Fungus]

Maybe Dave can do some testing on this regard in the review video

Would also be interesting to see noise levels with/without the ground connector.

[Mortymore]

It's definitely a nice entry level scope, but for someone not needing the 12-bit vertical resolution or the portability it's quite expensive compared to the old king siglent sds1104x-e. Close to 600 Euros for the DHO814 in germany... possible hackability to a higher bandwidth not accounted for of course. Apart from the 12-bit ADC and the portability the siglent still has a higher bandwidth, dual ADC with 500 gs/s for all 4 channels active, 7 megapoints per channel with all 4 channels active...

The SDS1104X-E and the SDS1202X-E are 10% cheaper on major Europe electronics online shops.

PS: They could have done the same with the SDS2104X plus 

[tautech]

They could have done the same with the SDS2104X plus 

You missed it, last year for 3 mths IIRC, $999

[Aldo22]

The prices vary quite a bit.
At Batronix the DHO802 costs € 349 net (instead of € 299) and at Batterfly there is the 4-channel DHO804 for € 387 net.

[Martin72]

I would find it more interesting to see who can deliver first.
Batterfly says October, Batronix in 2-4 weeks.

The prices vary quite a bit.

In the case of Batronix I wouldn't worry too much, they have a best price guarantee(Which is not quite correct from the designation.
If you find it cheaper elsewhere, you can get the same price.).
I'm still deciding whether to buy an 804 regular or try to borrow it, as I did with the DHO4204.

[Mortymore]

I'm waiting to see  how the SDS1000X HD goes into the mix   

[Martin72]

This is intended more as a competitor to the DHO1000.

[Aldo22]

In the case of Batronix I wouldn't worry too much, they have a best price guarantee(Which is not quite correct from the designation.
If you find it cheaper elsewhere, you can get the same price.).
I'm still deciding whether to buy an 804 regular or try to borrow it, as I did with the DHO4204.

I am still waiting for the prices from Reichelt or Conrad etc..
They have prices in CHF for goods already imported to Switzerland.
With Batronix or Batterfly I have to import myself by swiss post. This is always associated with some uncertainty, if the declaration is not correct, etc..
So we all have our different problems... 

[Aldo22]

On Aliexpress you can buy the DHO814 for CHF 413.28 (net, delivery included).
According to my calculation, that would be a total of CHF 476.- (approx. € 498 / $ 538) after postal customs clearance.
That doesn't sound too bad.

Has anyone had bad experiences with such China imports?
There is not even a specification of mains voltage or plug type on the product page.
What about if problems arise (warranty etc.)?
Hopeless?

So far I have only ordered equipment in a price range where I didn't care about warranty etc, so I have no idea.

Thanks!

[Shonky]

Basically assume no warranty. You have some recourse on the initial delivery with AliExpress e.g. Lost or broken in transit. After that you're largely on your own with the seller if they still exist.

I see about $A810+GST delivered to AU for the 814. I would expect the local pricing to not be miles off that with the support and protections you'd expect.

Also watch out for things like taxes at your end.

[Aldo22]

Basically assume no warranty. You have some recourse on the initial delivery with AliExpress e.g. Lost or broken in transit. After that you're largely on your own with the seller if they still exist.

Thank you, I had already thought so.
On the other hand, Batter Fly (Italy) or Batronix (Germany) are also abroad for us.
No idea if this is really better in case of warranty?

Also watch out for things like taxes at your end.

The taxes are included in the calculation above (€ 498).
That is the amazing thing.
The price including Swiss taxes and shipping is about the same as the EU net catalog price of € 499.

[RAPo]

Above Eu300, I only do business with a reputable seller.
If you ask a quote at batronix, you get a lowest price guarantee.
Be wise, be safe order there.

So far I have only ordered equipment in a price range where I didn't care about warranty etc, so I have no idea.

Thanks!

[2N3055]

Basically assume no warranty. You have some recourse on the initial delivery with AliExpress e.g. Lost or broken in transit. After that you're largely on your own with the seller if they still exist.

Thank you, I had already thought so.
On the other hand, Batter Fly (Italy) or Batronix (Germany) are also abroad for us.
No idea if this is really better in case of warranty?

Also watch out for things like taxes at your end.

The taxes are included in the calculation above (€ 498).
That is the amazing thing.
The price including Swiss taxes and shipping is about the same as the EU net catalog price of € 499.

Don't buy early release equipment from China without warranty. Just don't do it.
If you want my opinion, I don't buy ANY early release equipment even from local source with full warranty and support.

I just have no taste or patience for the fact that these days many products are basically released completely unfinished and take a year or more to actually catch up with what was promissed the product will do. Even big western manufacturers do it (R&S for numerous products in last few years, for instance). Rigol is doing it very much in last few years and especially for this new series of 12 bit scopes.

Some people will consciously accept that they bought something that "will work in future". Good for them. But at least buy from Rigol in EU. Or preferably in Switzerland. If you think it is the same as getting it from China, it is not.

You know what is the difference ? :

If you buy from local vendor in EU, the will guarantee for period of few years that PRODUCT will FUNCTION properly.

If  you import privately form China, they will guarantee they delivered the BOX with some goods in it, that number of products was correct, not obviously damaged in transport and that when you switch it on after receiving it, something will come up and it will show no obvious defects that can be seen.
If after two months you realize that it overheats or fan starts buzzing, or whatever else, you are out of luck.

My personal limit for such "cat in a bag" purchases is 50€.
500€ scope ? Not a chance.

But that is me. OTOH,  some people like gambling....

[Aldo22]

Yes, thank you both!
You are probably right.

Right now I'm just looking at prices anyway and thinking a bit about which one to order later from which store, if any.
I'm also not sure if the (normal) surcharge for the 100MHz version is justified for me.

For now, I'm eagerly reading the eevblog to learn if the device is any good. 

[Fungus]

Has anyone had bad experiences with such China imports?
What about if problems arise (warranty etc.)?

You'll be screwed over any warranty claim.

You might also get one of those crappy power supplies mentioned earlier.

[.RC.]

The SDS1104X-E and the SDS1202X-E are 10% cheaper on major Europe electronics online shops.

At this point in time here. 28% more expensive here for the Rigol.

 
DHO814 AU$879 +tax     
SDS1104X-E AU$630 +tax

I wonder if the 804 will only have 1 ADC shared between the 4 channels, and the 814 two ADC's shared between 2.

[Fungus]

The SDS1104X-E and the SDS1202X-E are 10% cheaper on major Europe electronics online shops.

At this point in time here. 28% more expensive here for the Rigol.

Yeah, but it's almost apples to oranges. The Rigol is 12 bits, touch screen, etc.
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I wonder if the 804 will only have 1 ADC shared between the 4 channels.

Almost certainly.

[Dacian]

I wonder if the 804 will only have 1 ADC shared between the 4 channels, and the 814 two ADC's shared between 2.

I think both 804 and 814 will only have a single ADC at least according with this spec from aliexpress where I ordered the the 804 yesterday
The one strange thing is the memory for dual and quad channel just 1Mpts when all 4 channels are used.

[Martin72]

Rigol DHO4000 series have two ADCs, all others only one.

[2N3055]

The SDS1104X-E and the SDS1202X-E are 10% cheaper on major Europe electronics online shops.

At this point in time here. 28% more expensive here for the Rigol.

Yeah, but it's almost apples to oranges. The Rigol is 12 bits, touch screen, etc.

Yes and SDS1000X-E will have some capabilites SHO800 does not..
Tool for the job..
 

I wonder if the 804 will only have 1 ADC shared between the 4 channels.

Correct.

[Martin72]

Batronix expects the DHO 804 to be available in October.

[Warhawk]

This is really an interesting series. I was considering Siglent's 2000 series (no HD) for the bode plot that I frequently have use for. Now I could do it for half the price with 12b resolution. That's interesting. Still, I give it a couple of months. I am sure Siglent will sooner or later take an action.
My ds1074z does the job, for now.

[RAPo]

I ordered the DHO924S:
Order date: 31.08.2023
Availability: available in 4 weeks

Batronix expects the DHO 804 to be available in October.

[Fungus]

I would find it more interesting to see who can deliver first.
Batterfly says October, Batronix in 2-4 weeks.

I just ordered a DHO804 from Batterfly. 


Edit: I just received an email from Batterfly telling me they're not in stock yet and they'll keep me posted on delivery times.

The race is on!