New Scope Demoboard from Batronix

[KungFuJosh]

Thanks to Martin72 for this expensive discovery (Laughs). 

He's really good at that. 🤣

[tooki]

We have several versions but we don't sell them.

Bad boy!  Martin72 surely would buy one for his collection.   

And with the batronix board, my "collection" will grow up to two.
That´s enough.

Once you start collecting R&S demo boards, there's no stopping

FWIW, that’s a Texas Instruments reference design, seemingly completely unmodified. (The PMP numbers at bottom left are TI reference design IDs.) This board is PMP30595: https://www.ti.com/tool/PMP30595

[KungFuJosh]

FWIW, that’s a Texas Instruments reference design, seemingly completely unmodified. (The PMP numbers at bottom left are TI reference design IDs.) This board is PMP30595: https://www.ti.com/tool/PMP30595

Thanks. Darn it, looks like we have another project to build, eh @Martin72 😉

[Martin72]

Well...

A demo board for power electronic would indeed be something else that could be tackled.
Be it for understanding purposes about switching power transmission or to test the now more and more popular power analysis functions of scopes.

[pdenisowski]

FWIW, that’s a Texas Instruments reference design, seemingly completely unmodified. (The PMP numbers at bottom left are TI reference design IDs.) This board is PMP30595: https://www.ti.com/tool/PMP30595

Yep. It’s the R&S stenciling that makes it rare

[pdenisowski]

A demo board for power electronic would indeed be something else that could be tackled.
Be it for understanding purposes about switching power transmission or to test the now more and more popular power analysis functions of scopes.

Agree completely.  There are ways to demo / experiment without a PE demo board, but it’s not nearly as easy or convenient.

[tooki]

FWIW, that’s a Texas Instruments reference design, seemingly completely unmodified. (The PMP numbers at bottom left are TI reference design IDs.) This board is PMP30595: https://www.ti.com/tool/PMP30595

Thanks. Darn it, looks like we have another project to build, eh @Martin72 😉

TI’s library of reference designs is a smorgasbord of interesting things to build. Same for Analog Devices.

[KungFuJosh]

TI’s library of reference designs is a smorgasbord of interesting things to build. Same for Analog Devices.

I know, it takes restraint to avoid looking through there and picking out more projects I don't need to do. 🤣

[explozz]

Hi,

I received my MSO demo board today, a new version 1.5.

What changes at first glance is that the Parallel Bus and PWM sections have moved and there are now two ground planes.

It also seems to me that there's a slight change in the location of the components near the BNC socket (DAC/BUF).

In addition, there's a new version of the manual dated October 2, 2023. I can't wait to try out my MSO demo card.

 

[Andre77]

Hello!

A little "all-clear" information for all those who already have the demo board version 1.4:

• In version 1.5, a little more space was added between the BNC sockets for a more comfortable connection of the probes (Bode/FRT demofilter) and BNC cables.
• The large ground plane was moved between the digital signals. In some constellations, the probe crocodile clip leads could otherwise be a bit tight before.
• We corrected two labels, "TP" (abbreviation for "Tiefpass", from German) became "LP" (Low pass) and "HF" became "RF".

   
The signals on the board are identical and so the measurements remain so. It therefore remains usable as a "reference".

Best Regards,
Andre

[blurpy]

I like this demo board, and I'm learning a lot about features I haven't explored much.

But when I got to step 3.5, to test the MSO parallel bus interface with my Siglent SDS2000X+, the scope seems to be lacking in capabilities.
If I'm understanding it correctly, the Siglent "decodes" parallel signals in the digital menu instead of the decode menu where it can decode serial signals.

And there is no option to see the decoded ASCII value:



Converting the hex shown here, "42 61 74 72 6f 6e 69 78", to ASCII using any online converter produces the text "Batronix".
So it seems like an incredibly simple operation to do. Am I missing something perhaps?

[Martin72]

Hi,

I'll have to have a look at how I set it on my 2k+ HD:



And I have an SDS2104X+ here right now, I could test it directly, I'll get back to you later.
EDIT: Ah, now I see...

[Martin72]

Just test it on the SDS2104X+ from work (therefore the inverted pics), here we go:

1. According to the demo manual page 45 for CAN decoding set switch 1 to "0" and switch 2 to "A".
2. Activate "Digital" on your scope, then activate "Decode"
3. Set decode signal to CAN, source CAN_H at D07.
4. Set Baudrate to 20kbit/s

It´s just an example, you could also try LIN or Manchester, important to know is that if you want to decode something from the parallel bus, digital must be active otherwise you couldn´t select the digital channels in the decoder menu as a source.
And only the decoder section allows to display the values in ASCII.
Edit: Only serial decoder avaible

[blurpy]

Just test it on the SDS2104X+ from work (therefore the inverted pics), here we go:

1. According to the demo manual page 45 for CAN decoding set switch 1 to "0" and switch 2 to "A".
2. Activate "Digital" on your scope, then activate "Decode"
3. Set decode signal to CAN, source CAN_H at D07.
4. Set Baudrate to 20kbit/s

It´s just an example, you could also try LIN or Manchester, important to know is that if you want to decode something from the parallel bus, digital must be active otherwise you couldn´t select the digital channels in the decoder menu as a source.
And only the decoder section allows to display the values in ASCII.

Thanks for looking into this Martin72. Seems like you are setting up serial decoding using one digital line from the parallel bus (section 3.6), and not parallel decoding using 7 digital lines from the parallel bus (section 3.5). What if you try to setup the scope for section 3.5, and see if you have more luck getting the ASCII value somehow?

[Martin72]

That's right,
I overlooked that, a good hint.
I couldn't find ASCII here either, that would be something for the wish list.

[blurpy]

That's right,
I overlooked that, a good hint.
I couldn't find ASCII here either, that would be something for the wish list.

Thanks, I can make a post on the wish list thread.

Is it the same on the 2k+ HD?

[Martin72]

Hi,
Just posted it, in both threads because my HD doesn't have it either.

[audiotubes]

Testing my new SPL2016 probes with the demoboard, it works..
(Function CAN decoding, 20kbit/s)

Is the SPL2016 at 279 euros a good value since I have the SDS2504X already (heh, 2104X + hack thanks to you guys)

Is there a better logic analyzer I could get for the same price range?

My demands are not very high now, probably just RS-232, I2C, and I2S but I would not like to have to buy something else if I run into a limitation later.

[tautech]

Testing my new SPL2016 probes with the demoboard, it works..
(Function CAN decoding, 20kbit/s)

Is the SPL2016 at 279 euros a good value since I have the SDS2504X already (heh, 2104X + hack thanks to you guys)

OEM is best and a good unit also used by several other brands and rebranded with their logo.

Is there a better logic analyzer I could get for the same price range?

DIY if you can be bothered or on a limited budget:
https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/diy-logic-analyzer-probe-and-pods-for-siglent-scopes/

[audiotubes]

Thank you.

Damnit, I was looking at the price when bought with the scope (which I already have). So it's 379, not 279. I don't think I will spend that much

[tautech]

Thank you.

Damnit, I was looking at the price when bought with the scope (which I already have). So it's 379, not 279. I don't think I will spend that much

Please advise purchase date as you may be eligible for the promotional discount on the option bundle SDS2XP-BND
See here:
https://int.siglent.com/info/detail-74.html

Contact your supplier if you feel they should have offered you this bundle at time of purchase.

[Martin72]

Thank you.

Damnit, I was looking at the price when bought with the scope (which I already have). So it's 379, not 279. I don't think I will spend that much

There's no reason why it's so damn expensive, but...
....The build quality is excellent.

[tautech]

Thank you.

Damnit, I was looking at the price when bought with the scope (which I already have). So it's 379, not 279. I don't think I will spend that much

There's no reason why it's so damn expensive, but...
....The build quality is excellent.

And also fits the SDS3000X HD you lust for. 

[H.O]

My demands are not very high now, probably just RS-232, I2C, and I2S but I would not like to have to buy something else if I run into a limitation later.

Unless you need to sample >2 analog channels at the same time as you capture/decode those protocols (or you need to capture/decode more than one ot two bus(es) at the same time) you don't really need the digital pod.

[audiotubes]

Thank you.

Damnit, I was looking at the price when bought with the scope (which I already have). So it's 379, not 279. I don't think I will spend that much

Please advise purchase date as you may be eligible for the promotional discount on the option bundle SDS2XP-BND
See here:
https://int.siglent.com/info/detail-74.html

Contact your supplier if you feel they should have offered you this bundle at time of purchase.

Thank you!

June 30, 2021. I always thought I waited long enough to buy things. But now I see I bought too soon