NEW Keysight HD3

[maxwell3e10]

I'd like to see how fast their "uncompromising" waveform update rate works when in averaging acquisition mode. Also I wonder if one can actually get more than 16 bit of data out after average, as I think one can do in MXO scopes.

[Bud]

It is efking ugly 

[SWB]

and the intensity grading, at 16 intensity levels, is worse than in the 3000x series which states 64 levels!

Yep, noticed that too.

There are actually quite a few areas where the 3000 X outperforms the HD3. Of course, in all of the major performance areas, the HD3 easily beats the 3000 X (as expected, and often by a wide margin), but some of the downgrades could matter in specific instances or to specific users.

Some other specs where the HD3 appears to be worse than the 3000 X:

• Higher capacitance on 1 MΩ input
• Smaller vertical input sensitivity range (in some instances)
• Smaller vertical offset range (in some instances)
• No roll or XY modes? Really? Coming soon
• Lower maximum analog sample rate (in some instances)
• Slower minimum trigger holdoff
• Smaller external trigger voltage range
• Missing trigger types: edge then edge, nth edge burst, analog video, HDTV video, USB, I²S, FlexRay, MIL-STD-1553, ARINC 429
• Fewer intensity graduation levels
• No FSK modulation on WaveGen Coming soon (see Dave's YouTube video)
• No available video out port Correction: Has a DisplayPort connector (not mentioned in datasheet)

[EEVblog]

Shooting the first impression video now, and yes I will edit it.
Anyway, found my first problem, the waveform veritcal knob doesn't work properly when you have math turned on. As in I can't even get it to the bottom of the screen if I move it too quickly!
Also, it only has a 40MHz channel bandwidth selection, not 20MHz. Why?

[EEVblog]

• No available video out port

It has a Display Port connector

[EEVblog]

Just confirmed with Keysight I can release stuff NOW if I want to.

Smaller vertical input sensitivity range (in some instances) 100uV is coming in a few weeks.
No roll or XY modes? Really? Coming in a few weeks, but not on my unit.
Smaller external trigger voltage range Coming soon as 1LSB

and "Other super-secret features TBA."

[Anthocyanina]

and the intensity grading, at 16 intensity levels, is worse than in the 3000x series which states 64 levels!

Yep, noticed that too.

There are actually quite a few areas where the 3000 X outperforms the HD3. Of course, in all of the major performance areas, the HD3 easily beats the 3000 X (as expected, and often by a wide margin), but some of the downgrades could matter in specific instances or to specific users.

Some other specs where the HD3 appears to be worse than the 3000 X:

• Higher capacitance on 1 MΩ input
• Smaller vertical input sensitivity range (in some instances)
• Smaller vertical offset range (in some instances)
• No roll or XY modes? Really?
• Lower maximum analog sample rate (in some instances)
• Slower minimum trigger holdoff
• Smaller external trigger voltage range
• Missing trigger types: edge then edge, nth edge burst, analog video, HDTV video, USB, I²S, FlexRay, MIL-STD-1553, ARINC 429
• Fewer intensity graduation levels
• No FSK modulation on WaveGen
• No available video out port Correction: Has a DisplayPort connector (not mentioned in datasheet)

and even the 1000x! the 1000g series have FSK modulation on wavegen, and the 1000g wavegen also has higher amplitude on both 50 ohm and hi-Z, at a lower bandwidth, of course, but still!

[Anthocyanina]

Shooting the first impression video now, and yes I will edit it.
Anyway, found my first problem, the waveform veritcal knob doesn't work properly when you have math turned on. As in I can't even get it to the bottom of the screen if I move it too quickly!
Also, it only has a 40MHz channel bandwidth selection, not 20MHz. Why?

want to do the AM test to show us how the 16 levels of intensity grading look like? 👀

[Keysight DanielBogdanoff]

The datasheet suggests there is no roll or XY mode. Really?

I personally haven't had a use for XY mode, but roll is very handy and something I use regularly. The lack of this would be a serious limitation (at least for me).

Roll mode and XY mode are coming very soon with a firmware update.

[Keysight DanielBogdanoff]

• No available video out port

It has a Display Port connector

Yes, the Display Port connector is there, we're working on a couple 3rd party driver issues with said 3rd party, expecting that to be sorted out soon as well. The scope has an internal VNC server, so that's been our workaround for driving larger displays.

[simone.pignatti]

Some info I took out from our description pages to make it easy, edited to make it valid for all models.

Features:
- 200/350/500MHz and 1 GHz
- 2 and 4 analog channels
- 14 bit ADC: 4x the vertical resolution of any oscilloscope in this class
- 1/2 the noise floor of the closest competition, offering the lowest interference with your signal
- All-new custom technology optimized for oscilloscope measurements
- Enhanced flexibility in the user interface
- Display touch 10.1" 1280x800 (WXGA, TFT-LCD)
- Maximum waveform update rate > 1,300,000 waveforms/sec
- Zone Trigger standard
- Input sensitivity range 50 Ω 500 uV/div to 1 V/div , 1 MΩ 500 uV/div to 10 V/div
- Hardware bandwidth limits 5, 10, 20, 50, 100, 200, 350, 500 MHz, 1 GHz (selectable)
- Time base range from 500 ps/div to 50 s/div
- Maximum analog channels sample rate 3.2 GSa/s for every channel
- Maximum analog channels record length every channel 20Mpts standard (50Mpts or 100Mpts with optional license)
- Internal Trigger Sensitivity at 50Ω:
   - 2mV/div: 0.38 divisions
   - 5mV/div: 0.38 divisions
   - ≥10mV/div: 0.28 divisions
- Internal Trigger Sensitivity at 1MΩ:
   - 2mV/div: 0.90 divisions
   - 5mV/div: 0.43 divisions
   - ≥10mV/div: 0.30 divisions

What's Included:
- An HD3 Series Oscilloscopes with Selected Bandwidth
- 2 or 4 packs of 500 MHz Passive Probes
- Automatic signal anomaly identification (Fault Hunter)
- Frequency Response Analysis (Bode Plot)
- Zone Trigger
- Segmented Memory
- MSO License (Compatible with 3000A/T/G and 4000A/G X-Series MSO cables)
- Mask Testing
- Waveform and measurement histograms, FFT, and more
- KeysightCare Technical Support
- 3 year warranty
- Localized interface with front panel overlay
- Localized power cord

[SWB]

No roll or XY modes? Really? Coming in a few weeks, but not on my unit.

Good news; thanks!

Smaller vertical input sensitivity range (in some instances) 100uV is coming in a few weeks.
Smaller external trigger voltage range Coming soon as 1LSB

For these two, it's actually in the other direction:

• The vertical input sensitivity on the 3000 X can be adjusted between 1 mV/div to 5 V/div (on both 50 Ω and 1 MΩ inputs). On the HD3, the maximum value (lowest sensitivity) is only 1 V/div on 50 Ω (but goes up to 10 V/div on 1 MΩ).
• The external trigger on the 3000 X can accept ±8 V. On the HD3, it's limited to ±5 V.

[EEVblog]

Shooting the first impression video now, and yes I will edit it.
Anyway, found my first problem, the waveform veritcal knob doesn't work properly when you have math turned on. As in I can't even get it to the bottom of the screen if I move it too quickly!
Also, it only has a 40MHz channel bandwidth selection, not 20MHz. Why?

want to do the AM test to show us how the 16 levels of intensity grading look like? 👀

[EEVblog]

want to do the AM test to show us how the 16 levels of intensity grading look like? 👀

Raw clip:

[Anthocyanina]

want to do the AM test to show us how the 16 levels of intensity grading look like? 👀

Raw clip:

surprisingly it does look really good for having only 16 levels! thank you. it does seem like it's a thing that can be changed with a firmware upgrade, but then i wonder why they shipped it with 16 levels and not the 64 of its predecessor? hmmm

[EEVblog]

surprisingly it does look really good for having only 16 levels! thank you. it does seem like it's a thing that can be changed with a firmware upgrade, but then i wonder why they shipped it with 16 levels and not the 64 of its predecessor? hmmm

I actually have a list of the next 5 firmware releases and what they are adding/improving in each version. So it's interesting to know that they must have released these internally, and then only after extensive testing does each version get released.

[mikeselectricstuff]

A bit of ambiguity in the datasheet :
It lists 3 memory options in "configuring your oscilloscope" on p.6  but these are not listed in the end under "After-Purchase License-Only Upgrades"
Does that mean memory upgrades are hardware - seems unlikely.

Under "After-Purchase License-Only Upgrades" it lists MSO, but also states MSO is standard elsewhere.

[msuthar]

Show us the back side of this oscilloscope. please.

[tggzzz]

Well an unedited unboxing video would come for free, might as well do that first.

Waste of my life: what would I learn?

Or I could edit it into a more usable first impressions video, like 2nd channel worthy content maybe.

Might skim that.

But if you make a video explaining your considered opinions and the reason for them, I might learn something and so would watch it. (Even if I can't buy it because Keysight refuse sell it to people like me).

[SWB]

It's public on Keysight's site now:

• Family Page
• HD304MSO
• HD302MSO
• Datasheet (newer revision than the one mentioned previously)

And there's a back view.

[skander36]

...
 (Even if I can't buy it because Keysight refuse sell it to people like me).

Why you want to buy directly from Keysight? 
You can buy from a distributor (which can offer you support in case you need).

[tggzzz]

...
 (Even if I can't buy it because Keysight refuse sell it to people like me).

Why you want to buy directly from Keysight? 
You can buy from a distributor (which can offer you support in case you need).

Search for "Keysight support" here and elsewhere, e.g. one current thread at https://groups.io/g/HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment/message/146632

[EEVblog]

Or I could edit it into a more usable first impressions video, like 2nd channel worthy content maybe.

Might skim that.
But if you make a video explaining your considered opinions and the reason for them, I might learn something and so would watch it. (Even if I can't buy it because Keysight refuse sell it to people like me).

Do you want a video tomorrow or not?
If it's tomorrow, "you get what you get and you don't get upset".

[simone.pignatti]

Show us the back side of this oscilloscope. please.

We took the pic ourself, it was not available from Keysight asset. Thanks.

[tggzzz]

Or I could edit it into a more usable first impressions video, like 2nd channel worthy content maybe.

Might skim that.
But if you make a video explaining your considered opinions and the reason for them, I might learn something and so would watch it. (Even if I can't buy it because Keysight refuse sell it to people like me).

Do you want a video tomorrow or not?
If it's tomorrow, "you get what you get and you don't get upset".

If it doesn't educate me (or entertain me) then I don't want it at any time. My (remaining) life is precious; I won't get it back!

I don't look to your videos for entertainment (duh!), so that leaves education in the form of reasoned opinions.

Quite frankly I really don't understand the rationale for "I opened the box and it looks like the brochure and didn't blow up when I plugged it in" videos, other than as an egoboo. (Yes, I realise you aren't fishing for egoboos )

Is that opinionated? Of course it is "not so humbly" opinionated!