NEW Fluke 87-VI Multimeter

[Fungus]

I found a Fluke 87-V Max Multimeter

Is that also fake ? or is a bigger display ?

It's a 28II relabeled as an "87" for marketing reasons (it's more expensive and they can sell it to people who only see the word "Max")

Reality: It's just a rugged meter that's very similar to 87V specs.

[BeBuLamar]

the 287 289  are outdated  bulky  and sloow,  nothing so far  from Fluke will replace them,   why extending the 8 series

when i have tried the 87-v  series    Fluke become dead for me ...

The 87-V sells well so Fluke want to extend on that. I think the 87-V is selling much better than the 287 and 289.

[EEVblog]

The 87-V sells well so Fluke want to extend on that. I think the 87-V is selling much better than the 287 and 289.

They won't kill the golden goose.

[EEVblog]

as i google the Fluke 87-VI Multimeter I found a Fluke 87-V Max Multimeter
Is that also fake ? or is a bigger display ?

Real, it's just a rebadged Fluke 28-II

[HAO]

We don't need Dot Matrix Display and Wireless.

[BeBuLamar]

We don't need Dot Matrix Display and Wireless.

Dot matrix display is good but has to have good contrast. The display on the 287/289 contrast is quite bad. I used the 189/287/289 with the IR3000FC adapter. It works good.

[tooki]

Looking at the Careers page on https://fortive.eightfold.ai/careers/, it seems that many of the Fluke jobs are now in Poland. So, they were probably not created by the same teams that created previous DMMs.

You and I clearly have different meanings of the word “many”, because right now, just 5 of the 67 Fluke job listings are in Poland.

One of the job listings says this:

Fluke in Poland is growing - we are setting up a new R&D team in Wroclaw deliver our newest products. This is a rare opportunity to build a new team within already established environment.

As a System Engineer, you collaborate with a team of Mechanical, Optical, Electrical, Software and Manufacturing Engineers to design these cores, translating designs into high performance products for our customers. Applications range from precision analog measurement to image processing to RF systems. You will have opportunities to specialize in a subject area, or broadly cover many technologies.

So it sounds to me like multimeters is probably not what they’re doing in Poland.

Another listing says:

Fluke Engineering in Poland is established and performing but still growing. We are involved in multiple New Product Introductions and Sustaining programs across Fluke’s wide portfolio. This is a unique opportunity to join an engaged team and contribute to the development of the world’s most recognized measurement products.

As a Senior Hardware Engineer, you will be developing, improving, and maintaining electronics designs of Fluke meters, testers or calibrators. As part of a multi-functional project team, you will design and analyze critical analog circuits for customer applications. You will have opportunities to specialize in a subject area, but also may be exposed to many other technologies.

(Beyond those 5 jobs, Fortive has two HR positions open in Poland.)

[Everett_Tom]

Looking at the Careers page on https://fortive.eightfold.ai/careers/, it seems that many of the Fluke jobs are now in Poland. So, they were probably not created by the same teams that created previous DMMs.

You and I clearly have different meanings of the word “many”, because right now, just 5 of the 67 Fluke job listings are in Poland.

That's fair - I was looking at engineering jobs at Fluke - with 5 out of 12 in Poland (all dev) , 2 test roles / 1 dev role / 1 mfg role in Everett, 1 dev in UK, 1 mfg in Malaysia and 1 dev in India. This doesn't change your point; just trying to set why I said "many."

That second job does call out meters specifically - though as part of a long list.

As a Senior Hardware Engineer, you will be developing, improving, and maintaining electronics designs of Fluke meters, testers or calibrators. As part of a multi-functional project team, you will design and analyze critical analog circuits for customer applications. You will have opportunities to specialize in a subject area, but also may be exposed to many other technologies.

Also (I had not checked this before), below are items from a Google search for "Fluke Poland LinkedIn."

Nothing wrong with Poland ( Or India, China, Malaysia, etc) - but it feels like when the design team changes, the products tend to change.

[tooki]

Looking at the Careers page on https://fortive.eightfold.ai/careers/, it seems that many of the Fluke jobs are now in Poland. So, they were probably not created by the same teams that created previous DMMs.

You and I clearly have different meanings of the word “many”, because right now, just 5 of the 67 Fluke job listings are in Poland.

That's fair - I was looking at engineering jobs at Fluke - with 5 out of 12 in Poland (all dev) , 2 test roles / 1 dev role / 1 mfg role in Everett, 1 dev in UK, 1 mfg in Malaysia and 1 dev in India. This doesn't change your point; just trying to set why I said "many."

That second job does call out meters specifically - though as part of a long list.

I know what it says, since I do this crazy thing called “reading it before posting it”.

However, your original comment, to which I was replying, said “DMMs”. I then used the word “multimeters”. The job listing says “meters”. And while all DMMs are multimeters, and all multimeters are meters, not all meters are DMMs. Fluke makes a whole stable of other meters. So we can’t necessarily infer from the job listing that they will do multimeter development in Poland.

[BILLPOD]

Dot matrix display is good but has to have good contrast. The display on the 287/289 contrast is quite bad. I used the 189/287/289 with the IR3000FC adapter. It works good.
[/quote]

Good Morning BeBuLamar, you said the IR3000FC worked with your Fluke 189.  The specifications only say that it works with the 287, 289 and 789.  Did it work just as well with the 189 as with the 289.  Thank you for your time.

[floobydust]

Just before the pandemic and at release of the 87V-MAX, Fortive was hiring a Multimeter/Clamp Business Unit Manager in Everett.
Professional Qualifications:
• Bachelor’s degree in Business, Marketing, Technical/Engineering; MBA preferred
• Minimum 8 years of progressive leadership experience in a technical environment
• Demonstrated team management experience
• Ability to build strong high-level executive and peer relationships
• Strong business acumen and technical/engineering knowledge; experience in T&M industry desired
[...]

I would guess they do product development sprinkled here and there across the world, like many conglomerates. Managing that is a gong show though.

[BeBuLamar]

Dot matrix display is good but has to have good contrast. The display on the 287/289 contrast is quite bad. I used the 189/287/289 with the IR3000FC adapter. It works good.

Good Morning BeBuLamar, you said the IR3000FC worked with your Fluke 189.  The specifications only say that it works with the 287, 289 and 789.  Did it work just as well with the 189 as with the 289.  Thank you for your time.
[/quote]

When I had the Iphone and run Fluke Connect on it the both the 189, 289 works poorly. Some version of the IR3000FC works partly some don't even work. I almost gave up.
When I retired I returned my Iphone to the company so I bought a Samsung Galaxie S23 and it works great with both the 189 and 289 equally.

[ArdWar]

Dot matrix display is good but has to have good contrast.

All the real estate yet they didn't use bigger, more readable font from distance. Had to squint to read my 3000FC when not using the fancy wireless.

[BeBuLamar]

Dot matrix display is good but has to have good contrast.

All the real estate yet they didn't use bigger, more readable font from distance. Had to squint to read my 3000FC when not using the fancy wireless.

I never have problem with small text only with low contrast. I am a sucker for high resolution display and tiny fonts.

[linux-works]

got a prototype working

I asked around for ideas.  I was thinking about using IR or some analog RF.  possibly abusing spi ports and generating 'some kind of rf' from that can can be picked up remotely.  all I need is an on/off key pulse.  if I had access to car keyfob chips (on both sides) that would be what I'd use.

well, espnow can do the job quickly enough and with a single chip.  I was looking into lora or other radios but they all really need a local cpu of some kind.  they cant just turn on and be 'seen' from the receive side (that I know of).

it has to be fast.  cant afford to join an AP and get DHCP and so on.

espnow is just raw wifi frames (ethernet like) but does not do IP, does not need dhcp, etc etc.  it just blasts and then exits.

video demo shows 2 wemos d1 esp8266 chips.  the little box is a receiver (mode) and the raw chip in my hand is the sender; that would be on the probe body and you simply apply power to it via a momentary button and on power-up it shouts out an espnow packet.

you can see the delay in the 2 blue lights.

is that delay tolerable?  I think so but curious what you guys think.  if I take a reading and I'm watching where my probe is, if I get the reading inside 1/10 of a second or so (100ms) then I'm happy.  I think this meets that but I need to logic scope this to see the delay number.

thinking even an esp01 chip will do this just fine.  the 2.4ghz antenna on pcb is small enough.  no battery drain on standby since its literally a power button.

video: https://github.com/sercona/video_demos/raw/refs/heads/main/PXL_20240917_203505604~2.mp4

[zaoka]

I think its about time that Fluke makes something new that will lead industry for next 20 years as 87V did. A meter with 0% tolerance.. ESR, Component tester, fast bar graph, pp to measure AC ripple and OLED or something better, AutoV mode on diode/ohm range like Fluke 12 had to discharge capacitors if needed during troubleshooting... 

[Fungus]

I think its about time that Fluke makes something new that will lead industry for next 20 years as 87V did.

Fluke customers don't want change, they want the 87V.

They have training courses, written procedures, etc., all based around it.

Fluke bosses don't want it either, the 87V is a cash cow.

I expect they'll still be making it 1000 years from now.

[dexar]

I sure do hope they keep on making it because it is at the end of the day a really really good multimeter and one you can trust. Want to do do a total redesign? Fine, but keep selling the old 87V model.

[Arhigos]

I think its about time that Fluke makes something new that will lead industry for next 20 years as 87V did. A meter with 0% tolerance.. ESR, Component tester, fast bar graph, pp to measure AC ripple and OLED or something better, AutoV mode on diode/ohm range like Fluke 12 had to discharge capacitors if needed during troubleshooting... 

I think the last time when they tried to make a multimeter with all possible bells and whistles it was a complete disaster in sales (i'm talking about 867b )

[BeBuLamar]

I think its about time that Fluke makes something new that will lead industry for next 20 years as 87V did. A meter with 0% tolerance.. ESR, Component tester, fast bar graph, pp to measure AC ripple and OLED or something better, AutoV mode on diode/ohm range like Fluke 12 had to discharge capacitors if needed during troubleshooting... 

0% tolerance is something can never be done.

[BeBuLamar]

Actually it's not good that the new meter is bigger than the current 87V. I think the current 87V is the largest size I want for a handheld meter.

[coromonadalix]

thoses where very good paper weight .... i never understood thoses Buuuuulkkkky  sizes, and i'm complaining about the 287 289 sizes  loll

the 87v  should have been slightly pushed further, say  40k counts,  even 50k 60k counts is nothing nowadays

capacitance ... ditch that,  too many people don't understand that is a very basic and poor test ...

diode test to higher voltages  YES

and YES  you could add wifi or bluetooth connectivity

automode inputs  AC, DC, Ohms for the noob  loll     I love that on some Gossens 


size YES     it is the limit of portability  @BEBULAMAR wrote

[Fungus]

I think the last time when they tried to make a multimeter with all possible bells and whistles it was a complete disaster in sales (i'm talking about 867b )

The 87-IV was quickly retired for being too good.

The 87-V was a step backwards, it's the 87-III with a few tweaks.

Note: The 87-IV was renamed as the 187, maybe the best meter they ever made (depending on your opinion of the 287)

[BeBuLamar]

I think the last time when they tried to make a multimeter with all possible bells and whistles it was a complete disaster in sales (i'm talking about 867b )

The 87-IV was quickly retired for being too good.

The 87-V was a step backwards, it's the 87-III with a few tweaks.

Note: The 87-IV was renamed as the 187, maybe the best meter they ever made (depending on your opinion of the 287)

When my 87 (the original one I bought in 1988) broke and Fluke can't repair it they offered me $100 credit toward the 189. I went ahead and bought the 189 and I like it a lot. More than the 289 which I also have.

[coromonadalix]

the 87-IV  187 189   where the best Fluke did  as other(s) said, had them for a very long time

their main defects where the supercap .... other than that it was the case fragility when they become very old, mostly the screws posts / studs

you had at the time  the usb-ir interface and the external battery pack for logging or long time use, 50k counts, easy to manipulate and use,  it was their gem


it has some kind of a clone from VICTOR 98A+ ...  the blue and a yellow model exists

and here  they say :  Victor 189A 98A+ 98C+    50k counts ??  WiFi  loll
https://www.amazon.com/YuqiaoTime-Effective-Multimeter-Measurement-Function/dp/B0CG4JPLDN


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