More thoughts, because, you know, I cannot help myself, and as always I like to think I have a viewpoint to add.
Like I said before, price is everything.
Sorry Dave I have to disagree that price is everything !! I bought a Rigol DS1054Z to do serial decode because it was cheap and everyone else was banging on about how good it was including yourself. But it was not until I used it myself in situ that I soon came up against some serious limitations and whilst it could decode a screens worth of serial data it was pretty much useless for lots of data that couldn't fit on the screen.
Well, let's hope the developments behind this enterprise price level scope trickle down to sub $5000 range units.
Though not specific to this new high end Tek scope, my bet is that larger, touch screens will become the new norm even for the < $5k mid-range and eventually even entry level scopes. That will probably also mean fewer knobs and with the LED light coded vertical knob or some variation.
I'll be surprised if the next mid level scope from Rigol doesn't follow that trend and I'll bet the next update to Tek and Keysight's mid level scopes will have those features as well.
Sorry Dave I have to disagree that price is everything !! I bought a Rigol DS1054Z to do serial decode because it was cheap and everyone else was banging on about how good it was including yourself. But it was not until I used it myself in situ that I soon came up against some serious limitations and whilst it could decode a screens worth of serial data it was pretty much useless for lots of data that couldn't fit on the screen.
You are misreading Dave's statement and quoting it out of context. He didn't say price is the only thing. It should be obvious that by "everything" he means that you cannot leave price out of the equation when considering the merits of a product. Which, unfortunately, I believe he did when comparing it to the Lecroy.
I don't see larger screens becoming common as they make the unit too big, taking up excessive bench space.
Same here. But higher res would be nice on MSO's, assuming they keep font sizes adequate.
Screens (touch or not) are more expensive than physical controls, so unless there are some "big" advantages they wont replace physical controls in the low end.
I don't see larger screens becoming common as they make the unit too big, taking up excessive bench space.
Screens (touch or not) are more expensive than physical controls
Screens (touch or not) are more expensive than physical controls, so unless there are some "big" advantages they wont replace physical controls in the low end.No, not in 2017 they're really not. A handful of half decent quality rotary encoders, a large PCB and a load of buttons and LEDs costs -way- more than a decent high resolution capacitive touch screen.
Screens (touch or not) are more expensive than physical controls
Nope.
DSOs already have a screen. Making it higher DPI and touch would add almost nothing to the cost.
(in fact it might be cheaper to switch to a more modern screen than to continue using the "legacy" 'screen in a two year old 'scope design)
Well, let's hope the developments behind this enterprise price level scope trickle down to sub $5000 range units.
Though not specific to this new high end Tek scope, my bet is that larger, touch screens will become the new norm even for the < $5k mid-range and eventually even entry level scopes. That will probably also mean fewer knobs and with the LED light coded vertical knob or some variation.
I'll be surprised if the next mid level scope from Rigol doesn't follow that trend and I'll bet the next update to Tek and Keysight's mid level scopes will have those features as well.Screens (touch or not) are more expensive than physical controls, so unless there are some "big" advantages they wont replace physical controls in the low end.
The big question is,how many ENOB does it have at 350,500,1000 and 2000MHz.
Does the new Tek 5 series offer remote web control like the RTB2000?
Would you like to back that up with sources and pricing? I'm working on this sort of thing day to day, appropriate screens are much more expensive than you might think, its not a high volume consumer product that buys out capacity for a few months they need a stable supply of screens for years to support T&M products.
The information is slowly getting put up, now you can access the "COMPETITIVE FACT SHEET" comparing Tektronix's view of it against Lecroy HDO-A, Keysight MSOS, and R&S RTO. They push the advantages of the Tek passive probes and the waveform update rate which includes nice graphs for the Lecroy and Keysight products (previously of significant dispute on this forum), this could be the scope that meets the needs of those people who want both fast teatime capture and deep memory in one product and hopefully reviews from the likes of The Signal Path can show some use cases and the tools for deep memory on the platform.
Hello Dave,
http://www.tek.com/oscilloscope/5-series-mso-mixed-signal-oscilloscope
scroll down and the comparisons start straight away.
I don't see larger screens becoming common as they make the unit too big, taking up excessive bench space.
Does the new Tek 5 series offer remote web control like the RTB2000?Datasheet says yes. If I recall correctly it also for once doesn't use the word "revolutionary" or "new" or "innovative" when describing it.
Unlike phones, that you can stick in your face, scopes will always be some distance from your eyes.. More than 100-120 DPI is wasted resolution.. It might sound cool, it might even look like it is more clear, but it will give no additional information. Doubling resolution makes it 4 times harder for hardware to keep up with refresh rate and calculations.. It gets really hard and expensive real quick.... I have 24" screen 1920*1200 res and I have to get to 15-20cm to be able to start seeing pixels... When I sit normally, I can't..
I would rather them to make scope screen refresh at 100-200Hz and keep resolutions at realistic figures..
Screens (touch or not) are more expensive than physical controls, so unless there are some "big" advantages they wont replace physical controls in the low end.
No, not in 2017 they're really not. A handful of half decent quality rotary encoders, a large PCB and a load of buttons and LEDs costs -way- more than a decent high resolution capacitive touch screen.
Screens (touch or not) are more expensive than physical controls, so unless there are some "big" advantages they wont replace physical controls in the low end.
No, not in 2017 they're really not. A handful of half decent quality rotary encoders, a large PCB and a load of buttons and LEDs costs -way- more than a decent high resolution capacitive touch screen.
That's just the hardware cost. Don't forget the cost to develop good software (UI) around the touch screen. Maybe that's a sunk cost though, since even if you have a small screen it's going to be touch.
Click on the "Fact Sheet" links at the top of the table:
http://www.tek.com/document/competitive/keysight-s-series-vs-5-series-mso-mixed-signal-oscilloscope-comparison
http://www.tek.com/document/competitive/lecroy-hdo6000a-hdo8000a-series-vs-5-series-mso-mixed-signal-oscilloscope-compa
http://www.tek.com/document/competitive/rohde-schwarz-rto2000-series-vs-5-series-mso-mixed-signal-oscillscope-compariso