snoopy, Shariar on his video gave a good example of where a ton of "digital" channels could be useful. Because they are +-40V threshold, you could hook them up to some sort of industrial system where you have a whole lot of on/off type sensor input such as solenoids, valves, limit switches, encoder outputs etc. and keep track of an entire huge system on one instrument.
Yes I saw that. Very impressive
snoopy, Shariar on his video gave a good example of where a ton of "digital" channels could be useful. Because they are +-40V threshold, you could hook them up to some sort of industrial system where you have a whole lot of on/off type sensor input such as solenoids, valves, limit switches, encoder outputs etc. and keep track of an entire huge system on one instrument...provided there is a common ground. AFAICS the digital inputs are not differential, so wide input range is not a huge deal. If you needed this on other MSOs all you'd need is a few series resistors.This is a 6.25Gsps sample rate timing analyser we are talking about here! It takes more than 'a few series resistors' to make a probe with adequate bandwidth and flatness.
The Lecroy is very serious competition, and in many cases (including general use) will be better than the Tek.
snoopy, Shariar on his video gave a good example of where a ton of "digital" channels could be useful. Because they are +-40V threshold, you could hook them up to some sort of industrial system where you have a whole lot of on/off type sensor input such as solenoids, valves, limit switches, encoder outputs etc. and keep track of an entire huge system on one instrument.Be careful, hooking up a logic analyser (with no ability to view waveform integrity) to an industrial system. You'd want to vet all those signals first to make sure no funny business was going on waveform wise.
Dave I think in fairness to this scope I think you need to get one and use it for a while to see what hidden goodies it has to offer. Even better get that Lecroy and do a shootout
Trying to judge it from a spec sheet and a few screen grabs is not doing it justice.
As for it being revolutionary perhaps you shouldn't just focus on one marketing word.
Since its release I haven't heard from Daniel at Keysight. The silence is almost deafeningLOL
So far I haven't seen any evidence that the scope does intensity grading oher than in FastAcq mode - can anyone confirm or deny ?
Dave I think in fairness to this scope I think you need to get one and use it for a while to see what hidden goodies it has to offer. Even better get that Lecroy and do a shootoutTrying to judge it from a spec sheet and a few screen grabs is not doing it justice. From The video by TSP I could see there is a lot more to this scope than first meets the eye
Like the Tek guy implied lets see how it performs with the acquisition rate. Does it slow down with some basic functions switched on like the MDO scopes do ? As for it being revolutionary perhaps you shouldn't just focus on one marketing word. It's a new scope built from the ground up with a brand new custom ASIC and obviously designed to compete head-on with the competition.
Just stop trying to brand me a Tek hater, ok?, you've made your point, now please drop it. I will not correspond with you again on this.
So far I haven't seen any evidence that the scope does intensity grading oher than in FastAcq mode - can anyone confirm or deny ?
Dave I think in fairness to this scope I think you need to get one and use it for a while to see what hidden goodies it has to offer. Even better get that Lecroy and do a shootoutTrying to judge it from a spec sheet and a few screen grabs is not doing it justice. From The video by TSP I could see there is a lot more to this scope than first meets the eye
Like the Tek guy implied lets see how it performs with the acquisition rate. Does it slow down with some basic functions switched on like the MDO scopes do ? As for it being revolutionary perhaps you shouldn't just focus on one marketing word. It's a new scope built from the ground up with a brand new custom ASIC and obviously designed to compete head-on with the competition.
I don't think anyone really cares about custom ASICs or whatever. What counts is function versus price. I think Dave has some very valid points you try to plaster over with marketing waffle. The fact is a lot of things which Tektronix claims which are new are only new for Tektronix and not in oscilloscopes in general. Not by a long shot!
LO what's up with don't insult my God attitude...
Tek is no sacred cow..
I grew up with Tek analog scopes and absolutely love them..
But as many great successful companies these days, they are not run by "engineers for engineers" mentality.
They are run by economists and "marketing experts" (whatever that crap in quotes means, most of the time snake oil salesmen)
They are in the business of making money, not scopes... Scopes and T&M equipment is just market they want money from, and they have existing capability to make that kind of products.
I personally agree with Dave on this. I positively HATE marketing bullshit.
I can't help myself, this Tek marketing campaign reminds of "Behold the power of cheese" commercials long time ago..
At least they had an excuse to be, well, cheesy...
So far I haven't seen any evidence that the scope does intensity grading oher than in FastAcq mode - can anyone confirm or deny ?
On page 6 of the brochure. Magnify the image and it looks pretty much intensity graded to meIt would be a huge oversight if it didn't have this and you probably would not buy it.
http://www.tek.com/sites/tek.com/files/media/media/resources/MSO5-Series-Datasheet-48W608500.pdf
So far I haven't seen any evidence that the scope does intensity grading oher than in FastAcq mode - can anyone confirm or deny ?
On page 6 of the brochure. Magnify the image and it looks pretty much intensity graded to meIt would be a huge oversight if it didn't have this and you probably would not buy it.
http://www.tek.com/sites/tek.com/files/media/media/resources/MSO5-Series-Datasheet-48W608500.pdfHard to see from that - could just be the high-res display
And you mean to say others don't indulge in this BS ?? Just look at the pomp, pageantry and fanfare surrounding Keysights release of their 1000x scopeLOL
They all do it.
Since its release I haven't heard from Daniel at Keysight.
So far I haven't seen any evidence that the scope does intensity grading oher than in FastAcq mode - can anyone confirm or deny ?
On page 6 of the brochure. Magnify the image and it looks pretty much intensity graded to meIt would be a huge oversight if it didn't have this and you probably would not buy it.
http://www.tek.com/sites/tek.com/files/media/media/resources/MSO5-Series-Datasheet-48W608500.pdfHard to see from that - could just be the high-res display
Digital Phosphor technology with FastAcq™ highspeed
waveform capture
To debug a design problem, first you must know it exists. Digital phosphor
technology with FastAcq provides you with fast insight into the real
operation of your device. Its fast waveform capture rate - greater than
500,000 waveforms per second - gives you a high probability of seeing the
infrequent problems common in digital systems: runt pulses, glitches, timing
issues, and more. To further enhance the visibility of rarely occurring
events, intensity grading indicates how often rare transients are occurring
relative to normal signal characteristics.
So far I haven't seen any evidence that the scope does intensity grading oher than in FastAcq mode - can anyone confirm or deny ?
Since its release I haven't heard from Daniel at Keysight.As long as Tek scopes force the user to compromise between update rate and record size with a "Fast Acq" button or similar kludge, they're never going to entirely obliterate the competition from Keysight's MegaZoom ASIC.
Keysight's MegaZoom ASIC comes with a lot of limitations. Short memory for starters and let's not forget sampled data cannot be re-protocol-decoded with different settings. I need deep memory way more often than high update rates.
Watch Alan's video, doesn't look very intensity graded to me on that video or waveform. At least not what you'd expect on other scopes with 256 level intensity grading.
Is a high res copy of this video available?
The point remains. There are a few good ways to do real-time record data processing and many, many ways to do it wrong, and it's unfortunate that Tek still appears to be doing it wrong.