Der EE De-5000 alternative

[kiltro]

I'm not sure, are the probes and accessories included in the DE-5000 package or have to be bought separately?

I'm looking at some ebay offers but it's not clear 

[coromonadalix]

yes there is some kit  de-5000 with the TL-xx adapters at good prices, you have to search a little

Fleabay sometimes as better pricing than Ali  .... Ali as caught in the inflated pricings ...

For the same ic's than the DE-5000   you have the uni-t 612  and the mastech  klunky  model 5308

Some sell  for the Uni-t 612  sometimes are more / better priced than a full De-5000 kit

[kiltro]

yes there is some kit  de-5000 with the TL-xx adapters at good prices, you have to search a little

Fleabay sometimes as better pricing than Ali  .... Ali as caught in the inflated pricings ...

So, if I understand what you mean there isn't any in the default package. But you have to buy a kit, or separate probes?

I can't find it on Ali nor Flea, only on ebay

[alm]

The DE-5000 is sold with various subsets of wall wart, link cable, tweezers, alligators clips, ground lead and hard case (did I miss any?). You need to check each individual listing carefully to see what's included. In my opinion the important ones are the alligator adapter (also useful for modifying for Kelvin connections) and the tweezers.

[kiltro]

The DE-5000 is sold with various subsets of wall wart, link cable, tweezers, alligators clips, ground lead and hard case (did I miss any?). You need to check each individual listing carefully to see what's included. In my opinion the important ones are the alligator adapter (also useful for modifying for Kelvin connections) and the tweezers.

Ok I found one, meter + alligators + tweezers for $160 (then there will be customs  )

[2N3055]

Why is nobody pointing to obvious:

https://eleshop.eu/de-ree-de-5000-lcr-meter.html

It is in EU.. And a good company...

[coromonadalix]

The obvious is not always obvious  loll 

[exe]

Why is nobody pointing to obvious:

https://eleshop.eu/de-ree-de-5000-lcr-meter.html

It is in EU.. And a good company...

It's 180euro+VAT... Would be 217euro for me. Kinda expensive...

[kiltro]

Why is nobody pointing to obvious:

Indeed it's not lol

180 + 16 shipment + 43 Tax =239... 

[Martin72]

For my former DE5000 I´ve payed 156€ all inclusive, bought from ebay (japan seller).
Everything´s on board except the hard case (Don´t need it).
Actually pollin.de sells out the Uni-T, could be the same chipset, but it seems Uni-T doesn´t have the 4-wire sockets the DE5000 got.

https://www.pollin.de/p/uni-t-digitales-lcr-messgeraet-ut612-usb-100-khz-830529

[elecdonia]

A nanovna 2 and a decent test jig, might make a fairly good alternative.

I have a nano VNA but haven’t fully learned how to use it yet. I am convinced that it packs a lot of functionality and processing power into a tiny package. But one problem (for me) is the tiny screen along with its tiny touch-sensitive controls. At my age, traditional test gear (with switches and controls) is often easier for me to use.

-E

[kiltro]

For my former DE5000 I´ve payed 156€ all inclusive, bought from ebay (japan seller).

Wait, VAT and import duties to Germany included??

It seems it would cost me more or less 230-240, including all, to Italy 

[2N3055]

For my former DE5000 I´ve payed 156€ all inclusive, bought from ebay (japan seller).

Wait, VAT and import duties to Germany included??

It seems it would cost me more or less 230-240, including all, to Italy 

Prices went up in last year. DE-5000 used to be around 100 USD on E-Bay. And tax and import rules changed recently so they charge tax on everything.
That is why I said Eleshop: price is pretty much same as if you are importing it from some "exotic" source, you get EU company as a source, with fast shipping, warranty and customer protection... Even if it is 10-20 € more that is worth something too.

[kiltro]

Prices went up in last year. DE-5000 used to be around 100 USD on E-Bay. And tax and import rules changed recently so they charge tax on everything.
That is why I said Eleshop: price is pretty much same as if you are importing it from some "exotic" source, you get EU company as a source, with fast shipping, warranty and customer protection... Even if it is 10-20 € more that is worth something too.

Makes sense... Do you think it's still worth the money though? For 240€?

[2N3055]

Prices went up in last year. DE-5000 used to be around 100 USD on E-Bay. And tax and import rules changed recently so they charge tax on everything.
That is why I said Eleshop: price is pretty much same as if you are importing it from some "exotic" source, you get EU company as a source, with fast shipping, warranty and customer protection... Even if it is 10-20 € more that is worth something too.

Makes sense... Do you think it's still worth the money though? For 240€?

Read what other people wrote. It works really well.
Everything else also had their prices rise.

Your cheaper alternative is UNi-T UT612. It is not 4-Wire (kelvin) but works well enough.

[Martin72]

Wait, VAT and import duties to Germany included??

Yepp...

Do you think it's still worth the money though? For 240€?

The next that will be a little bit "better" is a ET4410, but it costs more.
As long as you use the DE5000 inbetween its specs*, there´s hard to find an alternative for the same money.
I´ve compared it to the calibrated meters we got at work, e.g. keysight U1733C.
Measures with 1khz and 10khz are like you use always the same meter...

(* Some people are using 100Khz and measure a cap with µf - And wonder why the meter is "freaking out")

[coromonadalix]

They must learn how to use an lcr and the frequencies needed for the tests   .... the difference between lytics and ceramics etc ...  There is on the web  some well crafted charts

Frequency  vs capacitance  etc  ...   even some old lcr  had them on a sheet  etc ...

[edavid]

Prices went up in last year. DE-5000 used to be around 100 USD on E-Bay. And tax and import rules changed recently so they charge tax on everything.

It seems to still be around that price - I don't know about the taxes though.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/394268326803

https://www.ebay.com/itm/383808004139

[exe]

(* Some people are using 100Khz and measure a cap with µf - And wonder why the meter is "freaking out")

What's up with that? Afaik low-esr swiching solid caps are specified at 100kHz

[iet]

Your cheaper alternative is UNi-T UT612. It is not 4-Wire (kelvin) but works well enough.

In my opinion, UNI-T UT622C has a 4-wire connection.
But it costs more.

[2N3055]

Your cheaper alternative is UNi-T UT612. It is not 4-Wire (kelvin) but works well enough.

In my opinion, UNI-T UT622C has a 4-wire connection.
But it costs more.

UNI-T UT622C definitely has a 4-wire connection, but is more expensive.. But it seems a bit better instrument..

[iet]

But it seems a bit better instrument..

Yes, a little better.
http://unitrend.oss-cn-hongkong.aliyuncs.com/upload/file/20210615/UT622%20Datesheet.pdf

[mawyatt]

Don't know if we were lucky or what, but the DE-5000 we have with a good stable SMD test fixture as shown, produces results comparable to our Hioki IM3536 and Tonghui TH2830 LCR Lab Bench Meters. The SMD fixture shown is just a cheap AliX that we modded for better stability. We also took an extra TL-21 and removed the alligator clips and carefully replaced with 4 coaxial cables and female BNCs as shown for true Kelvin sensing.

For example, we ran thru our COG caps (0603 & 0805) from 0.3pF to 1000pF that we use to characterize and check the LCR meters before making serious measurements (sanity check if you will). We used 10KHz and 100KHz and compared the DE-5000 to the TH2830 (10 Avg) after doing an Open and Short cal on both with the fixture in place.

Value (size)                    TH2830 @ 10KHz (DE-5000)         TH2830 @ 100KHz  (DE-5000)

0.3pF (0805)                  0.31678 (0.31)                             0.31614 (0.32)
1pF (0805)                     1.01954 (1.02)                             1.01657 (1.02)
4.7pF (0603)                  4.68814 (4.69)                             4.68440 (4.71)
10pF (0805)                   9.95328 (9.96)                             9.94757 (10.01)
100pF (0805)                 99.6967 (99.94)                           99.6819 (99.97)
1000pF (0805)               993.241 (995.4)                           992.724 (994.6)

Think these results speak for themselves, and better than we expected from a modestly priced handheld LCR meter, however YMMY.

Best and Happy Holidays,     

[Martin72]

Think these results speak for themselves

Indeed, for it´s price it´s hard to beat.
Or better, it couldn´t be beat.
The integrated chipset ( 2 ICs) performs well.

[mawyatt]

Agree, it appears the 2 chip set used by the DE-5000 performs quite well indeed!! Would also expect very good reliability from such.

Best,