Author Topic: DE-5000 LCR Meter OEM? (Read 54799 times)

casinada · « **Reply #50 on:** October 14, 2013, 04:49:42 pm »

Saturation,
You beat me in price to the cheapest case

I was going to post:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/251355654643?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

but you found a cheaper case:
http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=85020&catid=802
These don't say if they come with foam.

The manufacturer has the one with foam for less than $8 as you pointed out:
https://www.flambeaucases.com/index.php/site/details/6772TF
and the shipping costs more than the case

but is still cheap

It is a nice idea to present a finished product on one of this cases instead of a regular cardboard box. I'm sure Mike could use some of this cases for his equipment instead of the big ones they come with the equipment

For the DE-5000 from Japan and the plastic case, you could get the whole kit for around $225

saturation · « **Reply #51 on:** October 14, 2013, 06:39:29 pm »

Thanks Casinada, I didn't realize they made gun cases for multiple pistols; so you have more flexibility is sizing.

http://www.amazon.com/Plano-Protector-Four-Pistol-Case/dp/B000P3WPKK/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1381774715&sr=8-3&keywords=plano+gun+case

I think the $17 is a better price as these Plano one's are made more robust and come with the foam. Add Amazon free shipping once you get over $25, and its a good deal.

Note overall, you save ~$100 over the IET version, but in the USA, you get warranty but not with the DE version in the USA, FWIW. You may not have much option not to get the accessories because they are not easily available elsewhere piecemeal; DIY to make the accessories can easily exceed the asking price of ~ $20 each, and not look as slick.

true · « **Reply #52 on:** October 15, 2013, 01:47:29 am »

Those Plano cases really aren't that great - I use them for air pistols that I don't care much about. The foam is meh but it could probably be cut to hold a meter. Quite big though for this use case.

They typically go for about $10 in Wal-Mart.

casinada · « **Reply #53 on:** October 15, 2013, 08:34:12 am »

I saw some nice cases for about $20 at Fry's electronics over the Weekend. The Pelican cases are nice too but much more expensive. For the LCR Meter the $10 would work just fine. The Foam insert provides more protection than Hard molded plastic.

EEVblog · « **Reply #54 on:** October 16, 2013, 12:15:03 pm »

US$80 from a UK seller:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-DER-EE-DE-5000-High-Accuracy-Handheld-LCR-Meter-from-Japan-/251356392257?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a86022b41

Surely a bargain if it's the same OEM as the IET one.

iloveelectronics · « **Reply #55 on:** October 16, 2013, 12:22:24 pm »

Quote from: EEVblog on October 16, 2013, 12:15:03 pm

US$80 from a UK seller:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-DER-EE-DE-5000-High-Accuracy-Handheld-LCR-Meter-from-Japan-/251356392257?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a86022b41

Surely a bargain if it's the same OEM as the IET one.

It's a Japanese seller. And it looks like this one doesn't come with any leads or accessories at all, it's just the meter.

TMM · « **Reply #56 on:** October 16, 2013, 12:42:14 pm »

The seller in the OP has the meter alone for $93US with free shipping. The deal in the OP seems like the best value - tweezers and 4 wire croc clips for $27 extra. It's another $100 if you want the guard lead, USB cable and CD - not really worth it.

I bought one. I always thought the IET meter was decent but they were having a laugh with the price given it was single chipset solution. This is the price it should have been.

icpart · « **Reply #57 on:** October 16, 2013, 05:33:58 pm »

Quote from: SeanB on October 13, 2013, 05:34:43 pm

I bought from Frankie, and knew about the PSU problem so did a quick destruction of the supplied PSU when it arrived and tossed it and replaced it with a linear one, just reusing the cable it came with. Must admit it rarely is used on the mains, it is very portable. The lead sets are very nice to use as well.

Thanks of all of you.

Maybe I will go with MS5308 for about 150USD with included 1 year warranty and full PC interface in my country for that little price. For me accuracy is better choice for buying something. Seems MS5308 have similar performance compare to other LCR meters. If anyone is interested I saw that in store where they sell MS5308 unit it is without included DC power supply any more, instead there are included 8 AA battery.

mos6502 · « **Reply #58 on:** October 16, 2013, 06:47:20 pm »

I bought this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/131021394870

Seemed like the best deal to me because the upgrade to EMS shipping is only 5 bucks. So 123 USD total including both adapters and EMS shipping. Seems like a good seller, too. He sent me a message ahead of time that the shipping would be delayed a few days because of Japanese holidays.

saturation · « **Reply #59 on:** October 16, 2013, 08:15:24 pm »

An IR-USB adapter converter is ~+$45 extra, to go with the CD and cables. Although one can build all of its accessories and download the software for free, will your final build fit nicely and how much tweaking will you need to remove your design's parasitics? Will it be worth the $$ savings ?

Most vendor don't sell any of its accessories alone. If you find one, please post a link, other than IET.

Sample of other sellers:

Taobao for China:

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.1.Jx9DZE&id=24578460900

Taiwan:
http://www.myday.com.tw/a_myday/category.php?api=usa_ebay&search_option=1&keywords_q=de-5000&keywords=de-5000

mos6502 · « **Reply #60 on:** October 16, 2013, 09:48:47 pm »

Quote from: saturation on October 16, 2013, 08:15:24 pm

Most vendor don't sell any of its accessories alone. If you find one, please post a link, other than IET.

The eBay seller I bought it from (akibashipping) actually asked me if I needed anything else from Japan, so I'm sure if you message him, he can get you all the accessories.

casinada · « **Reply #61 on:** October 16, 2013, 09:58:28 pm »

It looks like there is more competition for this unit. The complete set :
http://www.ebay.com/itm/DE-5000-LCR-Meter-FULL-SET-With-TL-21-TL-22-TL-23-IR-to-USB-case-AC-DC-adaptor-/231064528944?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35cc84e830

for around $198 shipped + Choose your case as discussed above.

We can keep doing this forever until everybody has one

Shock · « **Reply #62 on:** October 18, 2013, 04:26:18 pm »

Just for your info.

The DE-5000 can be brought for about $50+shipping (USD) locally in Japan
The accessories and power supply are about $10 each, banana jack is roughly $2.

http://akizukidenshi.com/catalog/g/gM-06264/

saturation · « **Reply #63 on:** October 18, 2013, 05:31:34 pm »

Thanks Shock, that's a helpful link. The seller's website says they don't ship outside of Japan. Not sure how the other eBay seller's arrange for it but even with 100% mark up the DE-5000 and its accessories, is a good bang for buck.

http://akizukidenshi.com/catalog/contents2/buy.aspx

Based on your link, the whole DE-5000 kit, including all accessories shipped with the IET kit except the case, is Y 10960, before taxes and other Japanese related gov't costs. That's about $US120. The Japanese eBayer price is $185, or $65 profit before taxes and all.

Quote from: Shock on October 18, 2013, 04:26:18 pm

Just for your info.

The DE-5000 can be brought for about $50+shipping (USD) locally in Japan
The accessories and power supply are about $10 each, banana jack is roughly $2.

http://akizukidenshi.com/catalog/g/gM-06264/

mos6502 · « **Reply #64 on:** October 19, 2013, 12:39:45 am »

You also have to factor in the 9% eBay fee. In any case, they're still making way less profit than IET

There's fromjapan.co.jp. That's a service where you can order stuff from Japanese sites. The goods are delivered to them and they send it on to you. I've used it once to buy some stuff from Yahoo Auctions (which is way bigger in Japan than eBay) and it worked well. But if you add their fees, you probably won't save anything over the eBay offers.

saturation · « **Reply #65 on:** October 21, 2013, 05:53:29 pm »

Given all the good reviews of this unit from the archives and the superb price point from Japan [ as I don't need another LCR meter] I ordered one of these on Oct 13th, 2013, EDT. It arrived Oct 18, 2013 from Japan on my door 6pm EDT, faster than most US sellers. The packaging was superb, its one solid box of cushion, and excellent customs documentation; no duties. My experiences with Japanese packaging is it always tend to be both functional and very aesthetic relative to US standards. Based on the postage, this cost about $24 to ship. Kudos to the seller.

korlatos · « **Reply #66 on:** October 21, 2013, 10:30:00 pm »

Quote from: saturation on October 16, 2013, 08:15:24 pm

An IR-USB adapter converter is ~+$45 extra, to go with the CD and cables. Although one can build all of its accessories and download the software for free, will your final build fit nicely and how much tweaking will you need to remove your design's parasitics? Will it be worth the $$ savings ?

Most vendor don't sell any of its accessories alone. If you find one, please post a link, other than IET.

Sample of other sellers:

Taobao for China:

http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.1.Jx9DZE&id=24578460900

Taiwan:
http://www.myday.com.tw/a_myday/category.php?api=usa_ebay&search_option=1&keywords_q=de-5000&keywords=de-5000

Transcat sells TL-22 SMD Tweezers, USB adapter and the power supply here in the USA:

http://www.transcat.com/catalog/productdetail.aspx?itemnum=TL-22
http://www.transcat.com/catalog/productdetail.aspx?itemnum=DE-5000-DTK
http://www.transcat.com/catalog/productdetail.aspx?itemnum=DE-5000-AC

TMM · « **Reply #67 on:** October 30, 2013, 07:29:32 am »

I got mine today - 2 days to get to Australia and 12 days to be delivered by AusPost

. My unit is consistent with other pics of the DE-5000 on the 'net. Compared to the IET in Dave's teardown there is now a 4007 diode to protect against incorrect polarity at the DC jack, though their preference is to short out the supply rather than place it inline

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There are 7 places for 1206 capacitor unpopulated around the meter IC (presumably all supply decoupling), the display IC is custom labeled DM5000-1C and the meter IC is labeled DM5000-2C.

mos6502 · « **Reply #68 on:** October 30, 2013, 09:09:23 am »

Similar story with me. 2 days from Japan to Germany, and then German customs sit on it for 7 days.

Mine is V8 compared to Dave's V5. Looks like it's constantly being updated. Mine has the diode on the DC jack as well.

Funny thing, when I first got it and was pressing buttons more or less randomly

I got it to crash. The display showed "ErO1" or "Er01" and it turned off. This happened twice, but now I've been using it for a week and I wasn't able to reproduce it. Strange.

Anyway, it's working excellently and it's very accurate.

PS Did you notice that the plastic case seems to have metallic particles embedded in it? Maybe that's some kind of shielding.

TMM · « **Reply #69 on:** October 30, 2013, 12:40:31 pm »

I've managed to get an error like that as well. I can't remember what i was doing to cause it but it hasn't happened since.

edit: yep the plastic is slightly metallic looking on mine as well. It doesn't seem to be conductive (at least on the outside) so it's probably just cosmetic.

mos6502 · « **Reply #70 on:** October 30, 2013, 01:40:52 pm »

OK, it could be just cosmetic, but ... if you look closely, you'll see that the folding leg does not have these shiny embedded particles. Why would they use two different kinds of plastic? Wouldn't that drive up the cost? Also, by the looks of the whole thing, I don't think they cared about cosmetics.

Since the case is non-conductive and non-magnetic, maybe it's not metal at all, but rather something like glass powder. I just found this:

http://www.sljol.info/index.php/JNSFSL/article/download/3657/2948

Apparently adding glass powder makes plastic more impact resistant and also makes it heavier.

Anyway, it's pretty strange. Never seen a plastic like that ...

Regarding that error/crash, I just remembered that I did a failed calibration once right at the beginning, so it could be connected to that.

KedasProbe · « **Reply #71 on:** February 04, 2014, 08:55:47 pm »

I just received my DE-5000 from Japan 96Euro (+27.6Euro import tax)
(from http://www.ebay.com/itm/DER-EE-DE-5000-High-Accuracy-Handheld-LCR-Meter-w-TL-21-TL-22-TL-23-New-/151133823417?)

Just to let you know that I also got the error message when I pressed the power button the first time (nothing connected yet, no other buttons pressed) I haven't seen the error again.

The PCB is also version 8.

PA4TIM · « **Reply #72 on:** February 04, 2014, 10:23:18 pm »

I compared that photo to the IET one in EEVblog 229 and I see a lot of difference.

The DER DE-5000 has a lot of components less (look above the bottom chip) as the IET one. Also there is are some parts that seem to go to the inputs that IET does not have. (left side of meter)

The chipset has a print that is not from Cyrus tek. Other LCR meters that use this chipset have it covered like IET or you see the Cyrus label. Is der DE firma so big that Cyrus makes custom printed chipsets for them , or could it be an other chipset ? This chip is well known for quality so why cover it ? (if your brandname is not as sound and to trust as IET is) ?

neslekkim · « **Reply #73 on:** February 06, 2014, 08:51:38 am »

did anyone conclude on this meter?, is it the same as the IET?

KedasProbe · « **Reply #74 on:** February 06, 2014, 09:16:05 am »

Quote from: neslekkim on February 06, 2014, 08:51:38 am

did anyone conclude on this meter?, is it the same as the IET?

I assume the only difference is the calibration sticker/certificate and cal. data in case of IET.


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