talking about wasting screen area, here is $16K scope... you cant win!
talking about wasting screen area, here is $16K scope... you cant win!
Hint: They have a much larger screen to start with.
Then we can Nit Pick about who's lawn is better
Come on folks, can't the collective great minds here put more effort into Utilizing these Brilliant Instruments rather than Nit Picking them to death
As for your screenshots,the first one looks pretty acceptable.
In the second one, why are there useless hieroglyphs "turn left", "dustbin", "target in a circle", "broken comb", "pencil", "cog", "downvoted hamburger" and similar hieroglyphs on the RHS?
They add nothing, except visual noise.
They subtract from the information area.
They should be deleted.
I guess you're trying to be funny with the names since the icons have labels: they are "undo" (a really useful function), "delete (a window)", "zoom," "FFT", etc. Users actually really like these.
talking about wasting screen area, here is $16K scope... you cant win!
Hint: They have a much larger screen to start with.
Believe these modern DSOs have become the most complex instruments on our benches, displacing the SA and VNA of old times, and seem to be growing in complexity, performance and features. If someone knows of a more complex lab bench instrument, please enlighten us!!
Now folks have these instruments available at the price of a Lawn Mower instead of a Mercedes, they arecomplaining aboutNit Picking features, like pixel size/shape, text size/shape, screen clutter, boot time, and so on![]()
Come on folks, can't the collective great minds here put more effort into Utilizing these Brilliant Instruments rather than Nit Picking them to death, and enlighten those with less experience rather than the continuous pissing stream of mine's better than yours
Performa01, pdenisowski, rf-loop, gf and a few select others have provided a means for other less knowledgable folks to learn and understand these wonderful instruments and explore their enlightened feature sets.
Rigol and Siglent seem to be leading the charge with the Introductory "Lawn Mower" 12 Bit DSOs, but with features that were only available in the "Mercedes" class.
So let's quit pissing in the yard, start up that DSO, and mow some grass
Then we can Nit Pick about who's lawn is better
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Come on folks, can't the collective great minds here put more effort into Utilizing these Brilliant Instruments rather than Nit Picking them to deathWhy not do both?
Highlighting things that are done well and suggesting possible uses, and criticizing things done poorly (especially where it would have been easy or trivial to do them well!) is equally important.
Come on folks, can't the collective great minds here put more effort into Utilizing these Brilliant Instruments rather than Nit Picking them to death
Why not do both?
Highlighting things that are done well and suggesting possible uses, and criticizing things done poorly (especially where it would have been easy or trivial to do them well!) is equally important.
My parents had a microwave oven and an electric oven and nobody could understand what the pictograms/hieroglyphs meant - even after getting out the instruction book and reading that. "Nobody" means half a dozen adults of three generations.
Then we can Nit Pick about who's lawn is better
My parents had a microwave oven and an electric oven and nobody could understand what the pictograms/hieroglyphs meant - even after getting out the instruction book and reading that. "Nobody" means half a dozen adults of three generations.
I'm not sure if you're intentionally confusing icons for some reason, but it's pretty weird. Everything on Paul's screenshot makes sense to me, and I sure as hell can't afford one of those scopes (though I would love to).
If you want to get to know the nuances of different scopes, there's no better way than to buy one.
My parents had a microwave oven and an electric oven and nobody could understand what the pictograms/hieroglyphs meant - even after getting out the instruction book and reading that. "Nobody" means half a dozen adults of three generations.
I'm not sure if you're intentionally confusing icons for some reason, but it's pretty weird.
Everything on Paul's screenshot makes sense to me, and I sure as hell can't afford one of those scopes (though I would love to).
If you want to get to know the nuances of different scopes, there's no better way than to buy one.
Que? Those hieroglyphs confused everybody, without exception.
QuoteIf you want to get to know the nuances of different scopes, there's no better way than to buy one.
How does buying one scope doesn't help you understand the nuances of different scopes?
There are two fundamental problems with hieroglyphs:
- they occupy scarce real estate which would be better used to display the traces and numerical settings
- they duplicate other information on the display, to no advantage
And on top of that they are unclear/ambiguous.
Many Siglent products are also rebadged and as such show a different brand name until they might be later flashed with Siglent firmware.....
Many Siglent products are also rebadged and as such show a different brand name until they might be later flashed with Siglent firmware.....That's interesting. What are some specific examples? Does this happen more at the high end, or down here in the low end of things where I am attempting to swim?
Que? Those hieroglyphs confused everybody, without exception.Are you talking about your anecdote, or the actual screenshots? I found the screenshots perfectly clear.
Words are easy to interpret and unambiguous. The words were there , and I understood them.
The pictograms were ambiguous[1]; why were they there? What did they add to the words?
My parents had a microwave oven and an electric oven and nobody could understand what the pictograms/hieroglyphs meant - even after getting out the instruction book and reading that. "Nobody" means half a dozen adults of three generations.
The magnifying glass with a cross pictogram is almost the same as the search pictogram. The significance of the small religious symbol is unclear
There are two cog pictograms. What's the difference?
I wear glasses because I'm nearsighted. I can see the "undo" icon faster than I can squint to read the letters if I don't feel like wearing my glasses (which is often).
Que? Those hieroglyphs confused everybody, without exception.Are you talking about your anecdote, or the actual screenshots? I found the screenshots perfectly clear.
I'm talking about the part you responded to in your post.
Why did you choose to remove that context in your question? (There's an obvious disreputable reason you might have done that, but I'll give you a chance to state a reputable reason).
not useless, but we need to think rationally, esp if you are the programmer of dso. today screen is 16:9, not like the old day like what? 3:2?
not useless, but we need to think rationally, esp if you are the programmer of dso. today screen is 16:9, not like the old day like what? 3:2?
Not that it matters for the point being made, but since we're picking nits ...
I'm thinking that the old Tektronix displays are closer to 4:3, same as the old standard for TVs and other CRTs (e.g., computer monitors).
I wear glasses because I'm nearsighted. I can see the "undo" icon faster than I can squint to read the letters if I don't feel like wearing my glasses (which is often).
I presume that means the trace is also difficult for you to see, and therefore to interpret and to understand.
When I look at a scope trace, I always want to see all the detail in it. Hence I wear my glasses without fail.
I can't understand someone choosing not to do that.
Indeed, there is no need for any 'scope to have their name on the viewing area----they all have a big logo on the instrument itself.I don't find it terribly objectionable as long as it either (a) can be turned off or (b) is not occupying space that could / should be used for other information.
Those are the key points, of course.
As for your screenshots,the first one looks pretty acceptable.
In the second one, why are there useless hieroglyphs "turn left", "dustbin", "target in a circle", "broken comb", "pencil", "cog", "downvoted hamburger" and similar hieroglyphs on the RHS?
They add nothing, except visual noise.
They subtract from the information area.
They should be deleted.