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Offline george gravesTopic starter

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Can-less air
« on: August 28, 2014, 11:54:48 pm »
http://www.canlessair.com/

I'm not quite ready to install a compressor in the lab, and I'm sick of buying "canned air" for cleaning thing.  So I came across this.

Anyone try it?

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Re: Can-less air
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2014, 12:09:11 am »
Get a small vacuum and attach a small diameter hose to the outlet. Same effect, more utility, no charging.
 

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Re: Can-less air
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2014, 12:40:37 am »
All that dust has to go somewhere. I prefer it not to be in my workshop so I carry the chassis outside and use the compressor that lives in the garage.
 

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Re: Can-less air
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2014, 12:50:54 am »
instead of a puny canister sized item, why not just go https://www.metrovacworld.com/DataVac_Electric_Duster ?

if 500W isn't enough, it has a big brother: https://www.metrovacworld.com/Air_Force_Blaster_Industrial_MB-3IND/overview

I have the the datavac and it works well for me, except that it has a tendency to suck in the dust it dislodged if you hold it too close to your target/victim.
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Re: Can-less air
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2014, 01:19:01 am »
All that dust has to go somewhere. I prefer it not to be in my workshop so I carry the chassis outside and use the compressor that lives in the garage.

For dusty computers a leaf blower is much more effective ;)

My uses are more along the lines of blowing IPA off of boards after cleaning flux off.  Not dust.

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Re: Can-less air
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2014, 01:26:19 am »
All that dust has to go somewhere. I prefer it not to be in my workshop so I carry the chassis outside and use the compressor that lives in the garage.

For dusty computers a leaf blower is much more effective ;)

My uses are more along the lines of blowing IPA off of boards after cleaning flux off.  Not dust.

Use a hot air tool to evaporate it quickly.
 

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Re: Can-less air
« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2014, 06:54:08 am »
I have one, the output is not as high pressure as a aerosol duster, I figure its due to the large diameter of the output tube

I've thought about finding/making a step down nozzle but haven't got around to it

It certainly does work for dispersing IPA, however I have a 858D+ on my work bench so I rarely use it for that
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Re: Can-less air
« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2014, 07:28:18 am »
I never head about this before. Looking forward for my office as well as home computer keyboards. If it looks as good as it sounds I will have to get it.
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Re: Can-less air
« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2014, 09:59:21 am »
i could be wrong, but I've heard somewhere (and have experienced) anything with a motor and dry air making quite a bit of static.
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Re: Can-less air
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2014, 10:49:17 am »
i could be wrong, but I've heard somewhere (and have experienced) anything with a motor and dry air making quite a bit of static.

That's why they offer an ESD variant:
http://www.canlessair.com/Buy-Canless-Air-System-O2-Hurricane
 

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Re: Can-less air
« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2014, 10:56:12 am »
i could be wrong, but I've heard somewhere (and have experienced) anything with a motor and dry air making quite a bit of static.

That's why they offer an ESD variant:
http://www.canlessair.com/Buy-Canless-Air-System-O2-Hurricane

Any clue on what they add to make it EDS safe?

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Re: Can-less air
« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2014, 11:01:31 am »
i could be wrong, but I've heard somewhere (and have experienced) anything with a motor and dry air making quite a bit of static.

That's why they offer an ESD variant:
http://www.canlessair.com/Buy-Canless-Air-System-O2-Hurricane

Any clue on what they add to make it EDS safe?

I'm guessing an ESD safe plastic, on whatever moves the air.
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Re: Can-less air
« Reply #12 on: August 29, 2014, 11:28:50 am »
I didn't realise there were different models, canlessair.com.au only sell the industrial version which is what I have
 

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Re: Can-less air
« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2014, 11:40:41 am »
I have it and I do like it. It is VERY noisy and not as powerful as a new can but that's the Price you pay for the convenience.

It runs on NiCd batteries (with a simple trickle charger) and has a brushed motor . One time I thought about hacking it with a brushless motor and LiIon batteries but I doubt it's worth the trouble. It actually does work fine as it is.

Ah, and my four year old son loves to blow air on his face with it :)

I'd buy one again if necessary.

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Re: Can-less air
« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2014, 11:59:31 am »
I've got an air compressor with a 150l tank and 5hp motor.  Lotsa air, no crappy little cans, no dust, no nuttin'.
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Re: Can-less air
« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2014, 12:53:30 pm »
I have an air compressor in my woodworking shop.  I use it to charge a seven gallon portable air tank with filtered air, to about 100 psi.  That comes into my electronics shop.  I use a pressure regulator set at about 30-40 psi for the blower nozzle.  I just use my Datavac ESD free vacuum to capture the airborne dust as it comes off of the device I'm cleaning.  It's a good system for me.
 

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Re: Can-less air
« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2014, 01:00:19 pm »
I've got an air compressor with a 150l tank and 5hp motor.  Lotsa air, no crappy little cans, no dust, no nuttin'.

Yeah, something about 5x more expensive then this.  Not to mention the space that it takes and energy to run.  I wish forums could stay on topic and talk about the original post rather then recommend something ridiculous.

I'm sure many others as well as myself are interested in any experiences with the can-less air as the first post mentioned.
 

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Re: Can-less air
« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2014, 01:30:57 pm »
I've got an air compressor with a 150l tank and 5hp motor.  Lotsa air, no crappy little cans, no dust, no nuttin'.

Yeah, something about 5x more expensive then this.  Not to mention the space that it takes and energy to run.  I wish forums could stay on topic and talk about the original post rather then recommend something ridiculous.

I'm sure many others as well as myself are interested in any experiences with the can-less air as the first post mentioned.
I don't think it's off-topic.... and it's what I have in my workshop!  It's really handy, I can have a rattle-gun, die-grinder, tyre inflator, degreaser gun, air duster, etc. all run off the same machine.  It uses very little energy, since I run the pump for maybe 10minutes a week on average to fill the tank, then turn it off at the tap : so it costs about 20cents a week for electricity.  The tank will have usable air in it for about a week if I'm only using it for blowing things off, the big airtools run through lots of air.  If I get a large piece of equipment in for repair, like a big electric fence unit or an electronic organ, the big machine is great and very efficient.  I'd go broke if I used those little cans of air.
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Re: Can-less air
« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2014, 01:33:13 pm »
I've got an air compressor with a 150l tank and 5hp motor.  Lotsa air, no crappy little cans, no dust, no nuttin'.

Yeah, something about 5x more expensive then this.  Not to mention the space that it takes and energy to run.  I wish forums could stay on topic and talk about the original post rather then recommend something ridiculous.

I'm sure many others as well as myself are interested in any experiences with the can-less air as the first post mentioned.
Blimey, I was just going to suggest 50x more expensive is more realistic, then I looked at the price of the thing.

I have a smaller 50l 2hp air compressor that was only £69.99 (AUD $125) brand new, lots of accessories. I know what I would sooner spend the money on!
 

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Re: Can-less air
« Reply #20 on: August 29, 2014, 01:39:20 pm »
I've got an air compressor with a 150l tank and 5hp motor.  Lotsa air, no crappy little cans, no dust, no nuttin'.

Yeah, something about 5x more expensive then this.  Not to mention the space that it takes and energy to run.  I wish forums could stay on topic and talk about the original post rather then recommend something ridiculous.

I'm sure many others as well as myself are interested in any experiences with the can-less air as the first post mentioned.
Blimey, I was just going to suggest 50x more expensive is more realistic, then I looked at the price of the thing.

I have a smaller 50l 2hp air compressor that was only £69.99 (AUD $125) brand new, lots of accessories. I know what I would sooner spend the money on!
Hey, it came with the workshop!  My shed was a mechanical workshop before I moved in, and the big compressor stayed in the corner.  They're a couple of grand to buy new I suppose, but not my problem, since I rent the joint.
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Re: Can-less air
« Reply #21 on: August 29, 2014, 03:57:39 pm »
I have thought about getting a small oilless air compressor intended for air brushes to use in lieu of canned air.  One thing to be aware of with large air compressors is that unless they are oilless, steps should be taken to prevent spraying the target with oil.  Condensed water can also be a problem.
 

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Re: Can-less air
« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2014, 05:56:07 pm »
That is why you get an oil coalescing filter and follow that with a 0.5 micron filter to remove the oil mist and water droplets from the output air. If you really need dry air you have to use a drier to condense the water out, either a PSA drier or a refrigerant system, and follow that with a sub micron oil filter to get the last small particles out.
 

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Re: Can-less air
« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2014, 06:18:35 pm »
I have thought about getting a small oilless air compressor intended for air brushes to use in lieu of canned air.  One thing to be aware of with large air compressors is that unless they are oilless, steps should be taken to prevent spraying the target with oil.  Condensed water can also be a problem.
Yeah, there is a drain screw for the water on my little 50l compressor. I've never noticed a problem with oil or water using the air-blaster. The heavier tools like air-hammer-wrench, etc. need seperate oiling with a couple of drops of light machine oil and that stuff tends to leak out onto my hands a bit.
 

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Re: Can-less air
« Reply #24 on: August 29, 2014, 06:26:20 pm »
Using the oilless compressor just simplifies having to deal with the possibility of oil in the air line.

Using a refrigerated dryer or PSA dryer is not going to be economical for most individuals so filtering and desiccation if necessary are the way to go.
 


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