@oliv3r, is there enough room for the HDMI plugs' plastic bodies? Looks like the jacks are spaced very closely together.
crap! I Didn't even think about that one ... i'll measure my cables and adjust accordingly. Only bit that's frustrating, is that'll probably mean I have to do my differential lines, again, and the longest one will probably be ending up even longer :S
Making the PCB wider might also run into collisions with the connector on its left -- even more so on the DHO900, which has a USB jack quite close to the logic analyzer port. Maybe look into mini-HDMI or mini-DVI again?
Hmm, I'll check the sizes again, my el-cheapo cables are at 21mm, so 22.5 mm would be the minimum with for each connector. That would yield 900mm total width, which seems to fit the MSO5000 it seems. Using a ribbon extension cord is an option, but defeating the purpose of course
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But if you find a mini-hdmi port on lcsc we can talk
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What is spacing like on the DSO900? That USB connector is awfully close. I was thinking of doing double sided connectors (J1 J2 top, J3 J4 bottom, but those solder lugs get in my way. Offsetting things so both holes overlap, e.g. 2 connectors in 1 hole is an option, just not solderable one. Getting connectors without the lugs is an option, but makes it much to easy to 'rip off'...
I suppose a nother option is an ugly one, current design for the MSO5000, an asymmetrical for the DSO9000, and have it stick out only to the right side. Since the boards carry no components, they are cheap as butt of course, just the design effort.
8 cables is still too much for most of my tasks and still a big-ish cable. Also, those flat cables aren't differential cables, which is why I dislike them. 4 was the sweetspot for me, not just because hdmi has exactly 4 differential channels, but also because 4 is what you'd use for i2c + irq, or SPI + irq etc.
Agree that 8 signals plus 8 GND wires is a lot already. I am not sure why all the individual GNDs would be needed though. My preference for an 8-signal pod would be a 2*5 pin connector (8 signals, 2 GND). That also works well with an IDC connector and colored ribbon cable, with the colors nicely matching the channel numbers.
I think this also comes from the fact, that you may want to have a (coax) wire per signal, and connect each individually to power and signal? Use nice coaxial mini cables? idk, i'm not EE enough (at all) to know what's the better design idea here. For me, using a single row or double row header doesn't make a difference, and I think a 5 pin (or 6) single row might actually be wider then the HDMI plug
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I think [...] nikki's v3 are then just what you are after.
Nikki Smith did an updated version of the low-cost (TTL/CMOS) probe only, right -- or did I overlook something? I definitely want a probe with the large voltage range and configurable threshold provided by the LMH7324, since one of my use cases is work on vintage (tube) computers with 20V logic levels.
Very true, it was the first design I looked at actually, because it was in kicad, and I had forgotten about dren.dk's, which I re-found and used to do the LM variants
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The design by @dren.dk is the configuration I personally like best, https://www.eevblog.com/forum/testgear/rpl1116-active-logic-probe-pod-for-1000z-series-teardown/msg2316423/#msg2316423. It needs some work though: Some signal polarities are flipped due to early mis-information about the 50 pin connector's pinout, and he did not bother with length matching of the traces.
But I am in no rush -- will wait how your design pans out, and probably borrow (and use in duplicate) your very nice LMH7324 pod layout. ![ThumbsUp :-+](https://www.eevblog.com/forum/Smileys/default/icon_smile_thumbsup.gif)
Keeping the HDMI connector on the pod isn't unreasonable, because you can't make the pod much smaller anyway, as most space is used by those 2012's that are needed. You could use smaller components there, but then traces could become an issue ...
Making the PCB wider might also run into collisions with the connector on its left -- even more so on the DHO900, which has a USB jack quite close to the logic analyzer port. Maybe look into mini-HDMI or mini-DVI again?
Why not just use vertical ones?!
Previously, I also suggested mini-HDMI and mini-DP, but after looking at the range of cables available I agreed that the ordinary HDMI is the best solution... since slim connectors, flat or soft versions of cables are not even available for mini-HDMI / DP / DVI ...unless you're a fan of cables that look like a garden hose on your table ![Wink ;)](https://www.eevblog.com/forum/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
... that'll probably mean I have to do my differential lines, again, and the longest one will probably be ending up even longer :S
If you going to redo all differential lines again )) pls look closely at the upright HDMI sockets I've already mentioned before. Then you won't have to make a board that looks like a palm tree. And all four HDMI sockets can fit on a pcb in the width of a 50-pin header.
I actually had considered those as well, (I need HDMI connectors for another project actually, and I really wanted a normal and a reverse (e.g. upsidedown) HDMI connector) but these things are almost impossible to source ...
So the vertical ones, are ugly :p and then stick out either at the top, or the bottom (and I can't place the LED in the center
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) But yes on all other points. But the breakout board can be done in various versions :p
Not that cost is the major driving force (well the topic suggests otherwise), the vertical ones do cost 10x more then the normal ones (65c vs 7c)
Also, I'm not convinced it would make layout any easier, the board might end up being even longer due to the size of the connector, and on top of that the connector sticks out quite a bit, and we still need some jigglies to route the pins ...
So while I certainly feel the challenge, I'm worried about its use/success :p Unless I hear a lot of shouts to do it anyway :p But feel free to try
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I'd share my PCB file, but the forum won't let me
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so i've renamed it to .txt
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