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Re: Digital oscilloscope
« Reply #25 on: June 21, 2024, 07:15:18 pm »
The currently largest model is the MSO3504E-S, with built-in signal generator.
The version without generator costs just under 3000€ and doesn't exactly blow me away with its data.
8Bit, 8" screen with a UI that is fatally reminiscent of the MSO5000 from Rigol...
https://www.tme.eu/de/details/mso3504e/digital-oszilloskope/uni-t/

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Re: Digital oscilloscope
« Reply #26 on: June 21, 2024, 07:39:00 pm »
The currently largest model is the MSO3504E-S, with built-in signal generator.
The version without generator costs just under 3000€ and doesn't exactly blow me away with its data.
8Bit, 8" screen with a UI that is fatally reminiscent of the MSO5000 from Rigol...
https://www.tme.eu/de/details/mso3504e/digital-oszilloskope/uni-t/

It has a rather interesting & unique feature though: you can have a different window for each channel with individual timebase & trigger settings. So you can look at unrelated signals without needing two oscilloscopes. Alternate trigger mode but then with the possibility to set different time scales.
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Re: Digital oscilloscope
« Reply #27 on: June 21, 2024, 07:43:30 pm »
That's pretty innovative for 8-bit scopes. If only they released them a few years ago.
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Re: Digital oscilloscope
« Reply #28 on: June 21, 2024, 07:54:39 pm »
That's pretty innovative for 8-bit scopes. If only they released them a few years ago.
In the end signal / noise ratio is more important than having 12 bit. Especially when taking the vertical screen resolution into account. But the screen size & resolution is underwhelming anyway given the price. I'm really looking forward to hands-on reviews & testing of Batronix' Magnova oscilloscope.
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Re: Digital oscilloscope
« Reply #29 on: June 21, 2024, 09:00:08 pm »
It has a rather interesting & unique feature though: you can have a different window for each channel with individual timebase & trigger settings.

That is indeed interesting, multiple windows have been around for a while (unfortunately not with the scopes I favor), but for each an individual time base...
If this works as it sounds, it really is unique, at least in this price range.
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Re: Digital oscilloscope
« Reply #30 on: June 21, 2024, 09:26:49 pm »
In the end signal / noise ratio is more important than having 12 bit. Especially when taking the vertical screen resolution into account. But the screen size & resolution is underwhelming anyway given the price. I'm really looking forward to hands-on reviews & testing of Batronix' Magnova oscilloscope.

Not necessarily, e.g. if you are looking at the settling time of an amplifier.

Never forget the old aphorism: the solution to all signal processing problems is to integrate for longer.

(Software equivalent: the solution to every problem is to add a level of indirection)
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Re: Digital oscilloscope
« Reply #31 on: June 21, 2024, 10:06:42 pm »
Shame they spammed.

I reported it.
 

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Re: Digital oscilloscope
« Reply #32 on: June 21, 2024, 10:26:32 pm »
(Software equivalent: the solution to every problem is to add a level of indirection)

XML stored in XML files?
 
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Re: Digital oscilloscope
« Reply #33 on: June 21, 2024, 10:29:26 pm »
Shame they spammed.

I reported it.

Why? You can clearly see here that Dave replied to this thread so is aware of it.
 
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Re: Digital oscilloscope
« Reply #34 on: June 21, 2024, 10:30:04 pm »
Shame they spammed.

They didn't even spam well, eg. what a crappy title ("Digital oscilloscope").

Have they assigned an engineer to answer questions on EEVBLOG and take suggestions for firmware improvements?

The first company to do that will get a LOT of karma points (Rigol, where are you?)
 
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Re: Digital oscilloscope
« Reply #35 on: June 21, 2024, 10:36:32 pm »
:)
(Software equivalent: the solution to every problem is to add a level of indirection)

XML stored in XML files?

That's merely emasculated LISP, dreamed up by someone who was ignorant of history.
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Re: Digital oscilloscope
« Reply #36 on: June 21, 2024, 10:43:39 pm »
The first company to do that will get a LOT of karma points (Rigol, where are you?)

If you would take off your blinkers, you would know that at least one company has done exactly that.
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Re: Digital oscilloscope
« Reply #37 on: June 21, 2024, 10:56:05 pm »
If you would take off your blinkers, you would know that at least one company has done exactly that.

Daniel of Keysight?

I don't count Keysight because they don't sell to individuals.
 

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Re: Digital oscilloscope
« Reply #38 on: June 21, 2024, 11:39:54 pm »
Have they assigned an engineer to answer questions on EEVBLOG and take suggestions for firmware improvements?

R&S do that on here.
 
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Re: Digital oscilloscope
« Reply #39 on: June 22, 2024, 12:33:51 am »
That is indeed interesting, multiple windows have been around for a while (unfortunately not with the scopes I favor), but for each an individual time base...
If this works as it sounds, it really is unique, at least in this price range.

I could have sworn there is scope a looked at once that had this, but I can't remember what one...
 

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Re: Digital oscilloscope
« Reply #40 on: June 22, 2024, 12:52:26 am »
Hello,

the DSO 2074G can trigger from all active channels with individual timebase

it seems that the DSO 2074G is from Hantek (DSO3064A ?)

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Re: Digital oscilloscope
« Reply #41 on: June 22, 2024, 10:29:11 am »
and their devices are often more expensive than Siglent and Rigol.

4Ch, 2GSa/s, 56Mpts for €299 doesn't sound too bad.
If you could hack the 50MHz version to 100 or 200MHz...
But unfortunately there is no "community" and therefore no information to be found.
And yes, in the end I would probably pay the extra €100 for the SDS804X HD.

https://youtu.be/eBudnd6dz3Q
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Re: Digital oscilloscope
« Reply #42 on: June 22, 2024, 10:30:58 pm »
I wonder if they have taken any measure to up their support game?

I have tried without success to get anyone a UNI-T, either here in North America or the home office in China to even respond to questions or requests for support.  Not even a "Get lost and contact the seller" email.  Nothing.  Not even crickets.

I would be interested to hear if anyone has had any success in this respect?

I for one will never buy anything from UNI-T that costs more than play money (like $40 or less).
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Re: Digital oscilloscope
« Reply #43 on: June 23, 2024, 09:58:38 am »
For brands like Uni-T you shouldn't contact them directly but use the reseller for technical support. That is where the reseller is for. Recently I bought a piece of equipment from Korad and Eleshop as an intermediary to get technical support, worked excellent.
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